Video of "The Shot" on The Action Report
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> I have just watched the video,and can't help but wonder how anyone could misconstrue that chain of events as something of an unsavory nature. Shane obviously didn't think he could make it and get on the 2,or didn't think he could make the 1 period. For all we know because we didn't stand over the ball,Mike might have had to fade the cue ball around a small piece of the 4. The cue ball came off the rail and back across thanks to a healthy dose of left spin,maybe he had to execute the shot as a slight masse,and Shane didn't think it was high percentage,so he passed it. I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise. I would also like to add that people who's view is on the other side of the fence,don't think I harbor ill will against you. It's obvious that at least one person saw it as something despicable,and you have every right to think so or express that opinion. I just don't think that is the case here. Tommy D.
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John,
With "pass forward" at least everyone would get an option and if the other players passed it would finish up being exactly the same as the current "pass back" except the players that hadn't fouled would not be at an unavoidable disadvantage because someone was allowed to play twice. Any doubt that Dennis would have much rather had a try at this shot than to have both other players get another turn at the table before he shot?
Having to play when you have an open shot at a ball seems to solve the problem until you start to determine "open shot". Must you be able to make a full ball hit? What if a full ball hit isn't needed to shoot the shot straight in a pocket? What if you have to masse a little or come off a rail to make the ball? What if the hit is just a good safe and not a makeable shot? Speaking of which, what is "best effort" when you have just been locked up and there is no pocket for the ball?
The problem is that some rules of pool are ultimately based on it being a gentleman's game. When we start splitting hairs, by definition pro's are not gentlemen in most sports. That isn't to say that most pro's don't play by a gentleman's code but if they choose to play strictly by the rules rather than to some higher set of standards we envision we shouldn't be too surprised.
Hu
John,
With "pass forward" at least everyone would get an option and if the other players passed it would finish up being exactly the same as the current "pass back" except the players that hadn't fouled would not be at an unavoidable disadvantage because someone was allowed to play twice. Any doubt that Dennis would have much rather had a try at this shot than to have both other players get another turn at the table before he shot?
Having to play when you have an open shot at a ball seems to solve the problem until you start to determine "open shot". Must you be able to make a full ball hit? What if a full ball hit isn't needed to shoot the shot straight in a pocket? What if you have to masse a little or come off a rail to make the ball? What if the hit is just a good safe and not a makeable shot? Speaking of which, what is "best effort" when you have just been locked up and there is no pocket for the ball?
The problem is that some rules of pool are ultimately based on it being a gentleman's game. When we start splitting hairs, by definition pro's are not gentlemen in most sports. That isn't to say that most pro's don't play by a gentleman's code but if they choose to play strictly by the rules rather than to some higher set of standards we envision we shouldn't be too surprised.
Hu
John Barton said:
ShootingArts said:
In the original $3K per man progressive ring game done several years ago by Professor R.H. Gilmer in Starkville, MS an Escape Clause was added. If a ball was totally surrounded and impossible to hit. Since no jump cues were allowed in Starkville, as they weren't in Olethe, this situation could, but didn't, come up.
When a player, whether a foul has occurred or not, declares a ball, Un-hittable, he can pass the shot forward. If the incoming player also declares the shot, Un-hittable, he also can pass the shot forward. If all players declare the shot, Un-hittable, that game is declared void, and the game is replayed with the original breaking order.
Luck in a ring game has existed as long as there have been ring games. I have seen too many times, when a guy is hooked, he kicks, makes a good hit and the 9 ball falls. He loves it, the rest don't.
Ring games can be micro-managed to death. Nothing was done wrong in Olethe. All involved did their jobs well and the entire event was a resounding success. I look forward to the next one.
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Hey, I'm from Pittsburgh............
Just curious...
1. Where were you gambling?
2. Who were you gambling with?
3. What was the game?
4. Who won?
5. How much?
JamieMcWhorter said:
Just curious...
1. Where were you gambling?
2. Who were you gambling with?
3. What was the game?
4. Who won?
5. How much?
John Barton
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Much less than I could win from Jay.9_Ball_King said:
Jamie McWoofer
JamieMcWhorter
Banned
jay helfert said:I figured you were just woofin' at me. It wouldn't be hard to outline an area on the table where the cue ball must stay within. And designate a neutral person to be the judge. But that's too simple. You talk a good game Jamie, but your follow thru is weak. You dogged this bet! You probably don't have any money anyway. You were sweatin' too hard for a few K. I think you'd faint if you had to make that shot 9 out of 10. I'd lay even money you'd break a sweat before the 10th shot.
I should have taken side bets and laid four to one that you would be a no show.Thanks for No Action McWoofer.
UR AN ABSOLUTE MONKEY..........THE SHOT ISNT THAT HARD AND ALL YOU MOTHRFKRS CAN BLOW ME ON HERE...........IF YOU WANNA BE DELUSIONAL AND SAY IT WAS A TOUGH SHOT AND HE SHOULD HAVE PASSED...I ASKED AND SHOWED THE SHOT TO 6 PLAYERS THIS WEEKEND THAT PLAY A GREAT GAME OF POOL AND THEY ALL SAID THEY WOULD HAVE SHOT IT ............NO WAY THEY WOULD HAVE PASSED EXCEPT IF THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE ORCULLO GOT PUT OUT OF THE TOURNEY...........
SO ALL U NITS ON HERE JUST SHUTUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP............
JamieMcWhorter said:
It was a tough enough shot that he was smart enough to have passed on it so that the third man could be virtually guaranteed to be eliminated.
Why would anyone give another person in a ring game the possibility of another breath of air if they can help it, especially when they are on their last gasp?
YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG by the video.
ADMIT THAT THE TWO PLAYERS WITH THE MOST MONEY "ABIDED BY THE RULES OF THE GAME AND DID THE SMART THING," THE SAME THING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE DONE.
JoeyA
sounds good
Seems like the first people had the deal figured out. As you say, it isn't possible to micro-manage every last detail of a game and every situation that might come up. Luck will always be a part of any pool game, ring games in particular.
I like the pass forward idea with the final option being simply voiding the game and starting over. That would seem to discourage lock up safeties in a game that is supposed to be pure aggression anyway.
Hu
Seems like the first people had the deal figured out. As you say, it isn't possible to micro-manage every last detail of a game and every situation that might come up. Luck will always be a part of any pool game, ring games in particular.
I like the pass forward idea with the final option being simply voiding the game and starting over. That would seem to discourage lock up safeties in a game that is supposed to be pure aggression anyway.
Hu
hemicudas said:
McNugget, now it sounds like you can take your posse of donkeys & really bust Jay. Bring all 6 of these great game of pool poolplayers to California & I would think that Jay would give you even more action. Remember, the 'shot isnt that hard'. Don't know why you are being a crawdad then? Jay said he would outline the position you need to get to on the table.JamieMcWhorter said:
Oh, and no thanks. I don't want to blow you. Maybe one of your friends can suggest a transvestite to service you.
And, I am sure of this. I gamble more in a month than you gamble in a year. And I don't go around carrying my entire bankroll in my pocket as a McNugget does.
I think Shane was just playing the odds that he would get a better shot sometime during that rack. It was a makeable shot, but certainly NOT a hanger. Getting on the 2 wasnt a bargain either, so I dont think there was any "Monkey" business going on.
Southpaw
Southpaw
JamieMcWhorter said:
Thanks for winning me a few bucks by posting again so soon after your dramatic 'never to return' departure.
The above is irrelevant to Jays bet.
You woofed, he called your bluff, your underwear elastic snapped with a loud twang, end of story
JamieMcWhorter
Banned
9_Ball_King said:
The action was all at Paul Motteys place...Chris Bartum, Jason Klatt, Doug Young, Manuel Chow, Mike Deshayne, and Mat Clatterbuck were all in action there...Also few shortstops were in nonstop action-Scooter Tetter and Sugar Shane..............
Lot of 2k - 3k sets..........Klatt beat deshayne and clatterbuck... Bartum beat young twice but lost to deshayne........
Needless to say these guys are all good players and said they would have shot the shot in the ring game if it wasn't Orcullos last barrel but who didnt know that already you people can't make a ball so thaTS WHY YOU THOUGHT IT WAS TOUGH............so it was a shady move and out of line but you know what ...........they all said they would have done the same thing not because it was a tough shot but because it guaranteed to them to make them at least 5k more doinkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...........who didnt know that also but you delusional people on here keep thinking what you want............................
Confession Of A Sweater
JamieMcWhorter said:Needless to say these guys are all good players and said they would have shot the shot in the ring game if it wasn't Orcullos last barrel ..........they all said they would have done the same thing not because it was a tough shot but because it guaranteed to them to make them at least 5k more doinkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...........QUOTE]
And now we are waiting for you to admit the same thing. Each time you post you give up a little bit more of the truth. We want the whole truth, all at one time. (And don't come with that YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH BS) Come on, you'll feel better. Admit it you would have done the same thing. Come on........
you know you want to tell the truth........ you know it's bottled up inside of ya, making you say all kinds of negative things that aren't really you and that those things aren't entirely on the square.
Come on...... let it out......The truth will set you free...... Say it.........."I WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING!"
JoeyA
I think we've heard enough.
just curious
How about we agree on where the cue ball needs to land, and I will fly out to LA with Chris Bartram and you can have action. Since you don't carry all of your money with you, Ill just bring a suitcase full and you can match it with an official bank check. McWhorter would probably dog it for 20k if he had to make it and get shape 9 out of 10 times. A true champion would not. McWhorter would have did the same thing and passed the shot back. The point he was trying to make was that the TD should have stopped it. Oh well, he didnt. It was still a great tournament. I just find it kind of funny that all the people on this forum love to run their mouth to Jamie about gambling. It sounds to me like he was one of the only people to bet decent at the whole tournament. I also saw a thread on the action report where he and Corey could not be any more direct about Corey playing Jesse Bowman with the 8 ball. All they had to do was post. It doesnt matter who Jesse's stakehore is, or how much money he has got. Believe me, Corey can get staked for about as much money as anyone in the world, so that is irrelevent. Corey was also supposed to play Danny Harriman an ahead set of one pocket. Harriman left town. Let me know if anyone wants to let a champion shoot that shot!
watchez said:
How about we agree on where the cue ball needs to land, and I will fly out to LA with Chris Bartram and you can have action. Since you don't carry all of your money with you, Ill just bring a suitcase full and you can match it with an official bank check. McWhorter would probably dog it for 20k if he had to make it and get shape 9 out of 10 times. A true champion would not. McWhorter would have did the same thing and passed the shot back. The point he was trying to make was that the TD should have stopped it. Oh well, he didnt. It was still a great tournament. I just find it kind of funny that all the people on this forum love to run their mouth to Jamie about gambling. It sounds to me like he was one of the only people to bet decent at the whole tournament. I also saw a thread on the action report where he and Corey could not be any more direct about Corey playing Jesse Bowman with the 8 ball. All they had to do was post. It doesnt matter who Jesse's stakehore is, or how much money he has got. Believe me, Corey can get staked for about as much money as anyone in the world, so that is irrelevent. Corey was also supposed to play Danny Harriman an ahead set of one pocket. Harriman left town. Let me know if anyone wants to let a champion shoot that shot!
Well from what I know about being around the midwest and money matches w/pool, jesse bowman has NEVER dodged neone for action, and has always been good for his money! How much are you talking about posting? If that is the only problem w/him and Corey playing, DAMN, I can post half of whatever he is playing for. Up to 20g's. Hit me up w/a PM.