Video of "The Shot" on The Action Report

[pooltableproCP]

JCIN - do you have the temperature, relative humidity and barometric pressure readings from that night's match? What about location feet above or below sea level?! McWoofer wants it EXACTLY like Olathe

 

[sydbarret]

The shot is not that difficult on a bar box...and the shape is fairly natural. A tight 9 footer is a different story.

Not sure why the player didnt take a longer look at it. any ideas why?

 

[Thecoats]

The shot is not that difficult on a bar box...and the shape is fairly natural. A tight 9 footer is a different story.

Not sure why the player didnt take a longer look at it. any ideas why?

Because the logical option was to pass the shot and have two chances to finish the rack and cripple Dennis Orcollo's chip stack. How many times to I have to say that if Banks and Orcollo were reversed in this situation Shane would have made the same decision. It was the most logical decision for the situation. Again, no one ganged up on Orcollo, Shane made a single decision at a point in the match that was logical and correct.

-don

 

[crosseyedjoe]

Yeah, I get it. So in a four player game. Player A plays safe. Player B passes to Player C and Player C passes to Player D, Player D takes the shot and sells out to Player A who then runs five racks and eliminates Players B and C. Real fair.

In the PASS BACK method the ONLY two people confronted with a bad situation are the player who created it and the player with the choice. The player with the choice then can GIVE IT BACK to the player who created it and hope for a better situation.

PASS FORWARD presents the incoming player with a truly crappy choice - take a bad shot or LOSE YOUR TURN for who knows how long.

So why should the incoming player be punished like that for something the player before them did?

Plus on the subject of cutting people up PASS FORWARD opens it up to more cutting people up and collusion. With LOSE YOUR TURN (Pass Forward) rules the incoming player's chances go down the toilet.

It's a bad rule that will cause more hardship and hard feelings.

The point is Player B and C had a say on what's going on instead of ignoring them completely, specially when they are short-stack.

 

[jay helfert]

It's gotten awful quiet on here lately. Somewhere in a dark corner of a poolroom McWoofWoof is practicing that shot over and over again, until he knows he can't miss it. Then he will come out here to steal my money.

What will happen is he will make it 8 out of 9 times and need to make it one more time for 20K. A large lump will form in his throat, and his cue will get real heavy, and he will have trouble breathing. He will look at the shot over and over like it is the first time. He will get down and get back up. Finally after about 15 minutes, he will shoot the One Ball directly into the Two.

Ka ching!

 

[dabarbr]

??? What do you mean by this?

With pass FORWARD (typically on a foul or perhaps even on a safety): if the incoming doesn't like it, he can pass. It goes to the next player. If he doesn't like it, he passes, and it contues forward until the ring is complete. If it gets back to the original shooter, he has to take it.

-td

This pass foward rule sounds great, however If I'm fourth in line in a bar table ring game I'm shooting no matter what it is. Even if I'm kicking as long as I can get a solid hit.

I would feel lucky it got to me. If I pass I don't think I would like my chances of it getting back to me. Especially with this quality of players.

Getting back to the shot in question. It looks to me that position on the two was not automatic. The path the cue bll took had the danger of clipping the six or the ten and destroying the chance of good position on the two.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

This pass foward rule sounds great, however If I'm fourth in line in a bar table ring game I'm shooting no matter what it is. Even if I'm kicking as long as I can get a solid hit.

I would feel lucky it got to me. If I pass I don't think I would like my chances of it getting back to me. Especially with this quality of players.

Getting back to the shot in question. It looks to me that position on the two was not automatic. The path the cue bll took had the danger of clipping the six or the ten and destroying the chance of good position on the two.

That's the the beauty of pass-forward. It allows every player some level of control of their own fate.

 

[Luxury]

I think another important stipulation is how much is he going to be jacked up when shooting? This was defenitely part of the decision to pass back.

 

[JamieMcWhorter]

It's gotten awful quiet on here lately. Somewhere in a dark corner of a poolroom McWoofWoof is practicing that shot over and over again, until he knows he can't miss it. Then he will come out here to steal my money.

What will happen is he will make it 8 out of 9 times and need to make it one more time for 20K. A large lump will form in his throat, and his cue will get real heavy, and he will have trouble breathing. He will look at the shot over and over like it is the first time. He will get down and get back up. Finally after about 15 minutes, he will shoot the One Ball directly into the Two.

Ka ching!

NO MONKEY........I WAS AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER DOING SOME ACTUAL GAMBLING IN PITTSBURGH......THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN DO THE BET I MIGHT BE A QUARTER INCH OFF YOUR PERFECT SHAPE ON THE 2 AND YOU SAY NO GOOD IT WOULD BE A HUGE ARGUMENT.....

 

[Roy Steffensen]

NO MONKEY........I WAS AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER DOING SOME ACTUAL GAMBLING IN PITTSBURGH......THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN DO THE BET I MIGHT BE A QUARTER INCH OFF YOUR PERFECT SHAPE ON THE 2 AND YOU SAY NO GOOD IT WOULD BE A HUGE ARGUMENT.....

Did you win your bet in Pittsburgh?

Anyway, why not just leave a piece of paper, 25 x 25 cm, as the area where the whitey should end? It will either be on or off, no discussion. Or you could make it easy, and that is to just make the blue 2 aswell...

 

[ShootingArts]

who wudda thunk it?

NO MONKEY........I WAS AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER DOING SOME ACTUAL GAMBLING IN PITTSBURGH......THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN DO THE BET I MIGHT BE A QUARTER INCH OFF YOUR PERFECT SHAPE ON THE 2 AND YOU SAY NO GOOD IT WOULD BE A HUGE ARGUMENT.....

Looks like somebody has been trying that easy shot with natural position.

Hu

 

[watchez]

NO MONKEY........I WAS AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER DOING SOME ACTUAL GAMBLING IN PITTSBURGH......THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN DO THE BET I MIGHT BE A QUARTER INCH OFF YOUR PERFECT SHAPE ON THE 2 AND YOU SAY NO GOOD IT WOULD BE A HUGE ARGUMENT.....

McNugget just turned into a crawdad. Sounds like even with practice, he couldn't execute 9 out of 10.

Come on McNugget, just say it. C o n g r a t s to S H A N E & M I K E.

 

[Fred]

Looks like somebody has been trying that easy shot with natural position.

Hu

My thoughts also.
The 1 is no gimme, shape on the 2 is damn tough.
Justin Nuder

 

[derekdisco]

Its amazing how many people on this forum just absolutely hate Jamie, its kinda comical.

 

[jay helfert]

NO MONKEY........I WAS AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER DOING SOME ACTUAL GAMBLING IN PITTSBURGH......THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN DO THE BET I MIGHT BE A QUARTER INCH OFF YOUR PERFECT SHAPE ON THE 2 AND YOU SAY NO GOOD IT WOULD BE A HUGE ARGUMENT.....

I figured you were just woofin' at me. It wouldn't be hard to outline an area on the table where the cue ball must stay within. And designate a neutral person to be the judge. But that's too simple. You talk a good game Jamie, but your follow thru is weak. You dogged this bet! You probably don't have any money anyway. You were sweatin' too hard for a few K. I think you'd faint if you had to make that shot 9 out of 10. I'd lay even money you'd break a sweat before the 10th shot.

I should have taken side bets and laid four to one that you would be a no show. Thanks for No Action McWoofer.

 

[ribdoner]

Its amazing how many people on this forum just absolutely hate Jamie, its kinda comical.

IMO I'd be schocked if anybody hated JAMIE.

He, like REGGIE, think they are the straw that stirs the drink.

As time has gone by I think he knows SM did the right thing by passing back to MB because the "out" wasn't a cosmo. I think he also knows, now that he got away from his keyboard and bellyed-up to a table, that he is WAY the dog in terms of getting there 90% of the time.

 

[Luxury]

Yeah I was 100% positive he would never take that bet. Once he realized how wrong he was about what happened he was forced to try to maintain that he was right so he had to propose a bet to try to maintain his point. He got called on it and now he is paying the price by being humiliated in front of so many more rational pool players.

Never has anyone been so wrong and overreacted so much about a pool situation that I've ever seen.

 

[ibuycues]

I Agree......

I figured you were just woofin' at me. It wouldn't be hard to outline an area on the table where the cue ball must stay within. And designate a neutral person to be the judge. But that's too simple. You talk a good game Jamie, but your follow thru is weak. You dogged this bet! You probably don't have any money anyway. You were sweatin' too hard for a few K. I think you'd faint if you had to make that shot 9 out of 10. I'd lay even money you'd break a sweat before the 10th shot.

I should have taken side bets and laid four to one that you would be a no show. Thanks for No Action McWoofer.

Jay,

You are right on all counts. It seems Jamie is just the East end of a horse headin` West.

Will

 

[John Barton]

The point is Player B and C had a say on what's going on instead of ignoring them completely, specially when they are short-stack.

Player B & C aren't supposed to have a say in anything until it's thier turn.

It is wrong to force any player to choose between taking a flyer and losing their turn in a ring game. You can force a player to shoot at an open ball - that I agree with and probably fits more in line with what most people think of as "honest effort". But to tell a player to take a shot after a foul or a safety or give up their turn is just plain wrong. If this rule is enacted then I predict it will cause more problems than it solves.

 

[John Barton]

I guess the game dynamics really change depending on who are playing, and what level they are playing. Just imagine a player like Efren passing back that shot.

Um a player like Efren did pass back the shot. Shane McMinn is a bona-fide world beater. I don't think you find Shane ducking anyone on the bar table.

Efren might or might not have made the same decision. Efren doesn't go for every run out - he plays the right shot at the right time most of the time. There is no reason to think that Efren would not have passed that shot back.

It's amazing what lengths people will go to in order to denigrate a person's decision and their accomplishments.