All this time I thought it was politicians, bureaucrats, liberals, the ozone layer, atheists, Monica Lewinskys soiled dress, but no Trob says those dam unions have brought America to it's knees! Are all those folks on Wall Street union? Were those bankers making stupid loans union? Those terrorists flying into buildings were probably also union. Amazing! Trob, I hope you do well and keep your job and live happy ever after. Seriously. I have no beef with non union people, but live and let live. I have seen many fellows who held your same views, moaning and groaning every year, and as soon as their job was in jeopardy they ran to their union rep pleading for some kind of justice. They got it. Sometimes with back pay. God Bless America. And God Bless You Mr. Trob
In a way you are right Mr. Wiggles. Is is all those things and more. The denomenating factor in all that you mentioned is "people"! The people are the problem ultimately.
The very idea of Unions is valid. What Unions do for the people is valid. What the Union "idea" incapsulates is valid. The people in the unions, the government, Wall Street, Banking, ect.ect. are the problem. It used to be that you earned every dollar you made and you were proud of the work you did and the money you earned. Whatever amount that it was, it was earned never the less and you made do with what you had. HONEST days work for an HONEST days pay! Not anymore.
I worked at a Nuclear plant in Michigan for a month a few years back. I am Non-Union however most workers there at that time were Union from Detroit and the surrounding areas. I talked with one of them one night and in passing he told me he was an electricians apprentice making 45 dollars an hour. Mind you I am not making this much, but the cost of living here in Va. isnt quite like Detroit. A Sunday night rolls around and out of the blue the Plant Manager makes a surprize tour of the Plant. Low and behold what does he find but 22.... I'll repeat 22 Union workers including this electricians apprentice sleeping on the job. Sleeping now while making double time at 90 an hour. They were escorted of site promptly and I later found out that the next day they were somewhere else working making as much money or more. The Union took great care of these individuals as it should but what does this say about the work ethic. My company will put me in the street for this quicker then you can blink however, IMO rightly so.
In California working at a Nuclear Plant with a complete Unionized working staff. We were the only Non-Union group there out of hundreds. They were getting ready to strike we heard. I talked with one of them briefly one night and asked why. He tells me with a straight face they wanted more money and will get it without striking. I asked how? He says well the Nuclear Plant doesnt want to shut down unexpectedly and lose a mill a day so we will get the money. Essentially holding this company hostage. This thinking has run ramped in our generation and is just wrong. Wrong on so many levels and basically imo a very big reason why these jobs are leaving this country.
Look I get it... I do... the Union saves the individual from having to walk a plank 100 feet above ground with no safety harness because supervisor Dick over there will get Wan over to do it for half the money and no push back. I get that the Union gets a much needed break after hanging on a fall line for 6 hours straight painting the outside of a 22 story building. I get it.
What the Union also does is get 50 grand a year to a person sweeping floors and cleaning the bathrooms at your local Post Office. I'll ask anyone here if you owned your own business would you pay someone 50k to sweep and clean urinals? No need for your answer I know what it would be. That kind of thing is ludicris and piles on to a allready growing problem which we see in not just the Unions but in Government spending as well. If the floor sweeper is making 50k what the hell is the supervisor making? I guarantee it's to much for what he does or is qualified to do.
IMO this isn't HONEST work for HONEST pay is it? Is it HONEST pay to make 35 to 45 doallrs an hour to put 4 screws in holes on an assembly line all day? If you say yes then your clearly part of the problem.
HONEST WORK for HONEST PAY is something this generation hasn't bought into and from the looks of it never will, and that is the sadest part of this whole problem. Is it Human Nature these days to expect what is not derserved? It sure seems like it to me.
edit: I apologize for hijacking the thread btw
