The highest I ever scored on the BU test after much effort was 124. At the same time my fargo has been right at 600 for years now with a couple thousand games in.
Yes, that would also be failing on the 13
You make this runout look very easy but for most of us it's not so simple. You made a couple very precise position shots and a nice recovery off the 14 over run that would stop a huge percentage of players below your level.@elyons @Cornerman @WobblyStroke Alright made a video. Weird talking and playing at same time. This was 1st try. Setting it up was more difficult than running it lol
I'll go even bolder. I'll take the ghost against anyone 650 and below on a 9' Diamond table.
Too high imo. Gather up a buncha 580-640 players and I'll give you n the ghost action till you're out of money
This is even better, I get to pick the players???Too high imo. Gather up a buncha 580-640 players and I'll give you n the ghost action till you're out of money
If their fargos are legit 580-640, I feel safe.
One time doesn’t tell us a whole lot. Try it 10 times in a row and see how many times you are successful running out. It should get easier the more you do it, but I would guess at least a few times you will encounter a problem.
Exactly... He over ran shape and although he had other easier options, he had to hit a solid recovery to maintain the designed pattern. Later on he was less than another 1/4 tip of inside from being snookered on the 8. You see the CB check up off the rail. Wouldn't have taken much more to be kicking at the 8. Without checking up the CB, the 8 would have been another solid cut to pot. Also, the spd was perfect to freeze up on the 3. ...and this is a +700 player on his home table. His fear of the 13 in the corner is entertaining.
Gatz's runout % is really strong. Although you can't argue his results. It isn't rare to see him recover with shot making.
True however i would take this layout any day with bih
Sounds like a good pattern but I would somewhat argue with the whole idea of "8 ball is a game of moving the cue ball as little as possible." I think this is generally true but often times there are patterns that are easier with more cue ball movement. I guess it all depends on the positional routes. I'll sometimes use a key ball that leaves a wide open 2 or 3 rail track that's hard to screw up. Sometimes taking what the table gives you is easier than trying to force a pattern because of minimal cue ball movement or some other rule of thumb you're trying to force onto the table. As an example, you could have a potential key ball that's close to the 8, but difficult to get on if you wait until the end of the rack. Or another option could be having a pattern that takes you to a key ball on the opposite side of the table to the 8, but with a wide open route to the 8.
I understand that approach and it's something preached by top players and coaches. However, so is the notion of the "insurance" ball. That's how I view the 14 in this rack. Not saying your approach is wrong at all. Just that you're opting to shoot first what I consider the fall back if something goes badly.
I think here is where I believe my opinion differs from most. I don't necessarily see the 13 as a problem. At least not as potentially problematic as the 11 and certainly not as important as clearing out the 15. I've become pretty adept at rolling shots, so the transition from 15 to 11 and finally the 13 in the corner comes very naturally for me. That said, I'm not beyond admitting that if I was playing on <4" pockets, I would reconsider the long pot on the 13.
This is a strategy I've never subscribed to. Not that I think Willie was wrong in his thinking. I just prefer to have the safety net of open shots up table. If they are easy to access that is. If we hand placed the 14 in a position at either of the 2 top corners so effort would have to be made to miss it. Would it still be your first shot...? ...or would you shoot the 13 with BIH to line up for the 15?
I think everyone would agree that 8 ball is a game of identifying and managing problematic situations. Whether it be a rouge ball in a bad spot, or the typical clusters. Simplifying is of course a major bonus, but not the primary concern.
Check this thread out. It seems the majority of people think it takes a solid 650 to play even with the 9 ball ghost. I know it won't change your mind, but it's interesting reading. https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/fargo-and-the-ghost.536939/
I remember that thread well. Im even one of the guys thinking about 650FR plays the 9b ghost even.
If the 14 is all by itself up there right by a pocket with only 2 potential blockers I would save it for my key ball
I may have been confused. Were you only talking about the set up int he OP? Or were you talking about beating the ghost in general?
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