What person has had the most positive influence on pool?

Muttonchops

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I don't care about someone always trying to sell something.
Unless it's the game it's self. If they are always "selling" something, like videos, instruction, it's all to put money in the pocket.
For the good of the game, any guess?
 
I don't care about someone always trying to sell something.
Unless it's the game it's self. If they are always "selling" something, like videos, instruction, it's all to put money in the pocket.
For the good of the game, any guess?


I would certainly put Pat Fleming- AccuStats on top of the list followed by
Grady Mathews.
 
I will agree with all posts above.

Whenever I get put on some tech line and they are from the Phillipines, I ask if they know Efren.

THEY ALWAYS SAY YES.

Then we start talking about pool.

As Americans we always think America is the center of the universe, but lots of folks know Efren and he has influenced a lot of folks positively for pool.

Ken
 
Speaking as an old fart, I will say Willie Mosconi. Even young Players
recognize his name, whereas, most players in my Bar League have no
idea who Efren is.
 
I don't care about someone always trying to sell something.
Unless it's the game it's self. If they are always "selling" something, like videos, instruction, it's all to put money in the pocket.
For the good of the game, any guess?

I don't understand why selling something is just about money in someone's pocket?

Is that all that happens with such dealings? I don't think so. I don't think dismissing everyone who made money is going to create a valid list of Persons who have had the most positive influence on pool.

What about those who bought what was sold? Were they not influenced positively?


My answer is Jeanette Lee. She's made the most money promoting her pool image and more people in the world know her than any other player.

Jeff Livingston
 
I'll go in a slightly different direction. My choice is Allison Fisher and the rest of the women's tour.

At a time when the men's tour had stalled due to conflicts over rights and it wasn't getting air time on TV, something it still doesn't get enough of, the women's tour was just taking off. Allison was a big part of that. She had come stateside and began playing against some other great female players at the time and all sorts of things happened at that time. Men started taking notice of the women's tour. They also began to realize that there were women out there that could play this sport at the highest levels. It kept the sport going when the men's tour was nowhere to be found in the media nationally (in the U.S.). Here was this incredibly talented (and considered by most) foreign hottie that was taking the sport by storm. I think it also helped to rejuvenate some of the other great female players on the tour at the time and legitimize their skills and abilities as well. Others followed such as Karen Corr and Jasmin Ouschin. Jeanette Lee is still at the forefront of the sport as is Ewa Mataya.

Pool and billiards could have literally fallen off during that time, yet it didn't and I think Allison Fisher and the women's tour is what kept it going during that time frame. This was very important for the sport.

I saw a lot of other great suggestions on here and they're all valid. I just thought I'd mix it up and throw another opinion out there.
 
helping the game

I don't care about someone always trying to sell something.
Unless it's the game it's self. If they are always "selling" something, like videos, instruction, it's all to put money in the pocket.
For the good of the game, any guess?

The 2 most people that I can think of in my area would be Pat Flemming & Tony Robles.
 
That remains to be seen! Time will tell...

IMO it would be Jerry Briesath and Randyg! They both have had a gigantic positive influence on pool for several decades! Without those two there would be no instructors...at least one's teaching real info that has helped tens of thousands of players.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Larry Chiborak - Bonus ball the game that saved pool
 
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'The Hustler' and 'The Color of Money' made the Greatest Impact on Pocket Billiards

Paul Newman.

and Jackie Gleason

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and Jackie Gleason

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Hey, we're on the same page ;) !..No telling where pool would be now, if not for "the Hustler" and to a lesser degree.."TCOM". The Hustler, was a 'perfect storm' for pool !.. It caught three fine actors,(Newman,Gleason and Scott) and a director, all at the peak of their careers !.. The story/movie Tevis wrote, had amazing popular appeal, to people who didn't know a '5 ball from an orange'....It was more about reality, and lifes 'hard lessons' !..Pool was (fortunately) just along for the ride. Much like boxing was for DeNero's classic, "The Raging Bull".

It also took a down and out aging pool hustler, Rudolph Wanderone, and made him into a household name, "Minnesota Fats" !..Nobody could have gotten more milage out of that break, than Fatty did, and he kept pool in the limelight, until he died !

I just don't think, without those great actor's, (also add Piper Laurie, and Tom Cruise) that the two movie's would have had near the effect on pool in general, that it did !..I wonder where pool would be now, without that 'perfect storm'..I think pool owes them a big debt it can never repay..And I hate to be pessimistic, but, with the instant gratification of the social media, and the new world order, I don't see any way of it ever happening again ! :frown:


SJD
 
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And I hate to be pessimistic, but, with the instant gratification of the new social media, and the new world order, I don't see any way of it ever happening again ! :frown:

SJD

I think that a A-list movie about life, that happens to have a pool player along for the ride could still work wonders for the game and give it another shot in the arm like TH and TCOM did.

The movie that needs to be made should follow the life of a pool player through the various era's. It should be a movie that tracks through time and events much like Forrest Gump, Blow, Boogie Nights, and other movies track through time and show different era's and changing landscapes and society. Pool itself remained a relative constant in many ways through the various eras and would create a very unique persepective to see the course of history from say 1940 through to the 21st century. The movie should follow a pool player, but it should not be about pool.

It should be about life, the changes within America and how it affected the character, how it affected their life not only as a pool player, but as an American who lived through an era in which America saw many changes to it's society. Weave in the times in history into the story, I am sure there are more then a few young and great pool players who had alot of potential and skill who were drafted into the Vietnam War and never came back. Show how the civil rights movement affected society and the black pool players of that era through the eyes of the main character. Show the changes in drugs and drug use through the eras and how it was represented in the pool world. Show the rise of Vegas into the golden age and the Rat Pack era and how pool players worked within that world such as the well known story about one pool player who bet his entire life savings on a single sports bet.

The movie should not focus on pool, pool should simply be the background to the story that is told.

The director and writing of the movie would be key. It is funny that Scorsese did TCOM because his ability to shift through time in movies like Casino and to a lesser extent Good Fellas makes him one of the better directors for a new pool movie. I also think David Fincher could do an excellent job if given a proper script.

The actor is also critical, you need someone A-list that has tremendous charsima. Someone like Robert Downey Jr could make an interesting pool player, Dicaprio would obviously be good with the right script, Using a younger actor for the early years and then doing a time shift to an older actor could allow someone like Daniel Day Lewis to be the main character and someone like him could be outstanding.
 
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