When Will The Pros Wake Up!

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AzB Silver Member
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When will they wake up & realise that the cut break DOES NOT WORK!, & before you start to bash me & call me an a-hole just see where I am coming from first, ok here goes:

Now as I write this I realise that I will have people (closed minded possibly) throwing things at their computer screens but I feel this has to be said & that is that the cut break the pros use does not and will never work because if you look very carefully you will see that yes 70% of the time they are making 1,2 or 3 balls on the break with the 1 ball going into the side (the reason for the cut break) but with that said even after they make a ball they are still stuck for position on the lowest numbered ball & why because the white is kicked around where it either ends up behind the rack or kicked into a scratch forcing BIH.

Now before Corey Deuel came along the top pros were absolutely killing the rack & running a table like it was nothing & why was this I hear you ask, because....you guessed it they were using power & controlling where the white went which made for a more exciting game. (Example Wu Chia Ching winning the 2005 WPA world nine ball)

There was none of this tiresome & almost endless safety play but let me just clarify I enjoy a good safety battle as much as the next guy but there comes a point when it gets annoying & is somewhat detrimental to the game & this is what we are consistantly seeing with players when they use the cut break because as mentioned before the white ball gets lost in the shuffle so to speak & ends up down table behind the rack forcing the incoming player to kick to a safe most of the time.

But before you say it, no the reason we have these problems is not because of the 9 ball rack's shape but because people (especially the pros) refuse to learn to hit the one from the centre of the table dead on with power to get better results off the break i.e better spread, clearer look at the lowest numbered ball & control of the white & until they start doing this we will forever have threads like this arguing over the state of the game of 9 ball.

I do though think that 10 ball is the future but at the heart of the game of pool the major tournaments will always be conducted over a game of 9 ball shoot-out style because as Paul Newman said "9 ball is a game made for tv, it's fast & furious it's why people love it".

This in my opinion is what we have to do to get the game back to a fast & furious attack minded, jump shot making, bankshot shooting game that it once was.

Finally, just to finish & I can't beleive i'm saying this but to quote Earl Strickland "Let them break from the middle of the table & they'll break their hand". If you look at that statement it's completely true.
 
I've seen plenty of instances where the cut break works well. It's been around a lot longer than Corey too.

What would you rather choose, a cut break where you KNOW you're going to sink the 1 ball in the side or a smash break where you're just hoping to make a ball.

I know what choice I'd make.
 
When will they wake up & realise that the cut break DOES NOT WORK!, & before you start to bash me & call me an a-hole just see where I am coming from first, ok here goes:

Now as I write this I realise that I will have people (closed minded possibly) throwing things at their computer screens but I feel this has to be said & that is that the cut break the pros use does not and will never work because if you look very carefully you will see that yes 70% of the time they are making 1,2 or 3 balls on the break with the 1 ball going into the side (the reason for the cut break) but with that said even after they make a ball they are still stuck for position on the lowest numbered ball & why because the white is kicked around where it either ends up behind the rack or kicked into a scratch forcing BIH.

Now before Corey Deuel came along the top pros were absolutely killing the rack & running a table like it was nothing & why was this I hear you ask, because....you guessed it they were using power & controlling where the white went which made for a more exciting game. (Example Wu Chia Ching winning the 2005 WPA world nine ball)

There was none of this tiresome & almost endless safety play but let me just clarify I enjoy a good safety battle as much as the next guy but there comes a point when it gets annoying & is somewhat detrimental to the game & this is what we are consistantly seeing with players when they use the cut break because as mentioned before the white ball gets lost in the shuffle so to speak & ends up down table behind the rack forcing the incoming player to kick to a safe most of the time.

But before you say it, no the reason we have these problems is not because of the 9 ball rack's shape but because people (especially the pros) refuse to learn to hit the one from the centre of the table dead on with power to get better results off the break i.e better spread, clearer look at the lowest numbered ball & control of the white & until they start doing this we will forever have threads like this arguing over the state of the game of 9 ball.

I do though think that 10 ball is the future but at the heart of the game of pool the major tournaments will always be conducted over a game of 9 ball shoot-out style because as Paul Newman said "9 ball is a game made for tv, it's fast & furious it's why people love it".

This in my opinion is what we have to do to get the game back to a fast & furious attack minded, jump shot making, bankshot shooting game that it once was.

Finally, just to finish & I can't beleive i'm saying this but to quote Earl Strickland "Let them break from the middle of the table & they'll break their hand". If you look at that statement it's completely true.

Your post attacks the ''real'' essence of 9 ball, and I too feel 10 ball falls into this category.
Anytime you slow the game down with excessively tight pockets, more board play, and safties your only catering to the billiard purists and players that want what's best for them and not WHATS BEST FOR THE SPORT. If in fact the cut break does this and slows up the game, you're diminishing the product...."POOL".... that your trying to sell to the public. The non players and working ball bangers and home table owners, "that's where the money is", and we all know how pros complain, or want more dollars for their skill, and deservingly so.
Any type of format/rules or play styles that are ALWAYS geared towards the best player in the world, actually hurt the overall product.
If a player got a bad roll, or didn't like a rule that was in place, but made the cut after Thur. and Fri. play, and was guaranteed $10,000 minimum, the bickering and complaining of what is and isn't best for the players will GO AWAY.
But, here we are, it feels like change is coming in the next few yrs., don't know where, but where seems more and more from the asian factor, when it really should happen HERE first/USA.
 
It is my personal opinion that Corey Deuel wrecked what would have been a phenomenal career at the top of this sport due to his soft break. He is stuborn to a fault with it. In the last couple Mosconi Cups they have had the balls past the headstring rule and Corey simply refused to actually hit the balls hard and gave away control of the table off of his own break pretty much every bloody time he broke the balls. Corey breaking was actually almost a guarentee of Europe controlling the table after the break, it got kind of sickening to watch. Corey has all of the shooting skill of anyone and the right attitude at the table when shooting, but he simply refuses to stop killing his chances with his soft break. And Corey HAD a massive hard break back when he was young.

In the Donny Mills vs SVB match SVB tried to adopt the tactics that Donny was using on the break but he simply cannot do it like Donny, I don't think anyone on the planet has the rack your own 9-ball break down like Donny does. But SVB won that match, and he made his comeback and won it by switching to the hard break and flat out running over Donny. When it is working the soft break can work fairly well, but when the hardbreak is working things work phenomenally and a working hard break will slaughter a soft break all other things being equal.
 
Finally, just to finish & I can't beleive i'm saying this but to quote Earl Strickland "Let them break from the middle of the table & they'll break their hand". If you look at that statement it's completely true.

Personally, I mostly break from the center, but this quote doesn't even make sense in your argument.

Earl was speaking about a single competitor that had a huge elbow drop.
 
The OP mentioned that the reason for the "cut break" is all about making the 1-ball in the side pocket. Just FTR, the 1 can be made in the side without the cut break. It's all about break speed, and correct contact with the head ball.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Not sure, but what I'm getting from your post is that the top pros are not smart enough to figure out what break works for them the best. I think we can all agree that if the pro player had any brains at all, they would know there that the break is what can decide who might win, in a match where both players are fairly evenly matched up. Especiallly when so many tourneys are alternate breaks and a short race to 9 or even less.

So if we give them the fact that they know how important the break is, should we really insult their intelligence and say they don't know what is best for them, as far as how they break?

Just seems odd, that us people from the peanut gallery, could be offering such matter of fact advice, when we're not the ones playing in tournaments or gambling with all the other pros on a daily basis.

Now if you believe everything you wrote, what would lead some credence to that opinion, is if you went out and interviewed about 10 of the top pros that are the ones that stand as good as chance of winning as the other top pros, and ask them why they use the cut break (if they to) and why they do not smash them.

I'm sure no pro wants to get into a safety battle with another top pro, some of these guys kick as well as they bank. So thinking you might get ball in hand by playing safe is a losing proposition.

Hope you see what angle I'm coming from:smile:
 
I use a cut break, mainly because of my inability to always play the hard break well, when things get rolling though, and I get in stroke, I normally switch over. I will say this about your arguement tho, I dont't try to make the 1 ball with the soft break, its the wing ball I am after, and I play position on the one which comes up table towards the corner pocket. When the soft break is working properly, I string together racks quite a bit. Hard breaking controlled well is a great tool to use, but IMO so is the soft break.
 
soft break

Corey had the soft break working so well in 2001 that Earl and others whined enough to get the rules changed to stop it.

He could make the one and play shape on the two pretty consistently. Why gamble with letting the balls fly if you can do that?
 
Unintentionally, I've been using the cut break for years! :).
As a fan and spectator I hate seeing the cut break. I'm old school. I liked
seeing Mike Sigel pop the rack hard and control the cb. Or Bustamante
mashing the rack.
 
Personally, I get a little tingly feeling when I can keep whitey on the table when I break...whether it's me trying a cut-break or head-on...;)

Jason < Believes in the pool gods...also believes they're out to "get him"!
 
Too true

Not sure, but what I'm getting from your post is that the top pros are not smart enough to figure out what break works for them the best. I think we can all agree that if the pro player had any brains at all, they would know there that the break is what can decide who might win, in a match where both players are fairly evenly matched up. Especiallly when so many tourneys are alternate breaks and a short race to 9 or even less.

So if we give them the fact that they know how important the break is, should we really insult their intelligence and say they don't know what is best for them, as far as how they break?

Just seems odd, that us people from the peanut gallery, could be offering such matter of fact advice, when we're not the ones playing in tournaments or gambling with all the other pros on a daily basis.

Now if you believe everything you wrote, what would lead some credence to that opinion, is if you went out and interviewed about 10 of the top pros that are the ones that stand as good as chance of winning as the other top pros, and ask them why they use the cut break (if they to) and why they do not smash them.

I'm sure no pro wants to get into a safety battle with another top pro, some of these guys kick as well as they bank. So thinking you might get ball in hand by playing safe is a losing proposition.

Hope you see what angle I'm coming from:smile:

Exactly what I was thinking.

Most of these guys have been playing pool at top level for big dollars for more than 10 years, and a lot of them for more than 20. I am sure they are capable of analyzing their own game to find what works best for them.
Every table is different and will require slight adjustments by the player to compensate. The degree of compensation will vary between players - based on any previous knowledge, or how quickly they can make the calculation or even dumb luck. When they do get to a point where their break is working consistently they will run racks effortlessly and we can sit back and enjoy some fine play.

Without changing it up we might never get to see that happen because they would all be struggling to get the break to work.

Personally, sinking a wing ball and leaving the 1 and 2 open and the pack spread - cannot be beat. You might have a different idea and that's OK too.

How boring would it be if everyone was doing exactly the same thing! :grin:
 
I have an amateur question - with play in APA and in 9 ball I have better success with the cut break because I believe that the balls are never racked tight (everyone drunk and not giving a shit, lousy cloth, etc.) and they spread out better. With the break from the rail and sloppy racks, it seems, at least to me even hitting the one ball dead straight on) that the break reacts with a 'slug' 'dud' feeling. Do you think I am correct?
 
It all depends where those gaps are.
It all depends on a lot of things. A lot of things come into play and those who recoginze them, adjust and go on. You know what they say about doing the same thing, the same way, over and over and expecting different results??
 
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