Why does this work?

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I just watched the video again and there is something I missed. You are not aiming center CB to center OB, you are aiming the cue stick at center OB correct?

That is very close to my inside English system. It works well. The mechanism is the same as I described above but it works better than aiming center CB to OB.

My system uses the inside edge of the cue to aim through CCB to CP on OB. To make with inside shoot there or adjust to as much inside as you want (within reason) or pivot back to center to use no English.

Then, if you want to use outside adjust using BHE from there.

The problem is the pivot. If I naturally pivot without examining my pivot it works fine. If I try to pivot around a point on the cue stick it doesn't work well at all.

Basically the longer the shot the longer the pivot point to make the shot. And the smaller the actual pivot. This is because the longer shot the CP is closer to C OB.
Yes I am setting up maximum inside and aiming my cue tip right through the cue ball to the center of the object ball. No pivot while down.

If I do pivot back to center from there the hit tends to be a little thick from center pocket unless I slightly reduce speed. By a little thick I mean barely going in off the near facing.

It sounds like your inside english system is good to me and operates pretty much the same as what I am doing.
 
Yes I am setting up maximum inside and aiming my cue tip right through the cue ball to the center of the object ball. No pivot while down.

If I do pivot back to center from there the hit tends to be a little thick from center pocket unless I slightly reduce speed. By a little thick I mean barely going in off the near facing.

It sounds like your inside english system is good to me and operates pretty much the same as what I am doing.
Right. So maximum English deflects a little more. Which compensates for aiming center OB and not pivoting.
Same idea.
 
I just watched the video again and there is something I missed. You are not aiming center CB to center OB, you are aiming the cue stick at center OB correct?

That is very close to my inside English system. It works well. The mechanism is the same as I described above but it works better than aiming center CB to OB.

My system uses the inside edge of the cue to aim through CCB to CP on OB. To make with inside shoot there or adjust to as much inside as you want (within reason) or pivot back to center to use no English.

Then, if you want to use outside adjust using BHE from there.

The problem is the pivot. If I naturally pivot without examining my pivot it works fine. If I try to pivot around a point on the cue stick it doesn't work well at all.

Basically the longer the shot the longer the pivot point to make the shot. And the smaller the actual pivot. This is because the longer shot the CP is closer to C OB.
Sixpack, have you ever messed around with 90/90 aiming system?
 
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Ok. Now I see how it works. It is very similar to my system. I key off of the contact point which I think makes it work for a larger range of shots.
I play around with it without pivoting, you can do some crazy inside english shots that way.
 
I used to have a lot of trouble with a certain back cut shot, not unlike a Mosconi break shot angle in 14.1 but a little bit further up the table. It got so bad, that I had trouble even cinching the shot with low and outside, and other tip position would often not even come close. I told this to a very good instructor. He said that's easy to fix, all you need is to hit it with a certain tip position. He'd describe it to me, it was about the midway point between maximum draw and center. I'd point my tip to the cueball, and he'd say "a little lower", "a little higher" until I found the position to his satisfaction, which was an extremely precise point. After that, he set up the shot and I nailed it EVERY time. The reason was, of course, that I had allready decided on the exact cue tip position, even before going down over the shot. This both took away the anxiety and fear of missing the shot, as well as freed up the subconscious to aim the ball correctly while the conscious mind was focusing on getting the tip position right. The secret tip position was not secret at all. After this I nailed the shot with every tip position you could think of. The instructor naturally intended me to understand this.
 
I used to have a lot of trouble with a certain back cut shot, not unlike a Mosconi break shot angle in 14.1 but a little bit further up the table. It got so bad, that I had trouble even cinching the shot with low and outside, and other tip position would often not even come close. I told this to a very good instructor. He said that's easy to fix, all you need is to hit it with a certain tip position. He'd describe it to me, it was about the midway point between maximum draw and center. I'd point my tip to the cueball, and he'd say "a little lower", "a little higher" until I found the position to his satisfaction, which was an extremely precise point. After that, he set up the shot and I nailed it EVERY time. The reason was, of course, that I had allready decided on the exact cue tip position, even before going down over the shot. This both took away the anxiety and fear of missing the shot, as well as freed up the subconscious to aim the ball correctly while the conscious mind was focusing on getting the tip position right. The secret tip position was not secret at all. After this I nailed the shot with every tip position you could think of. The instructor naturally intended me to understand this.
I've been calling this a placebo effect, which it kind of is even though people think that is an insult. Positive thinking reduces stress which leads to a more true stroke.
 
When I use maximum inside english I have to aim 2 quarters (1/2 a ball) thicker, regardless of cut angle. In other words, only on a halfball shot do I aim through the side of the cb to center ob. If it's a 3/4 ball shot, and I'm using max inside spin, I would aim through the side of the cb (where I'm applying my english) to the opposite 3/4 aim point on the ob, which is a 2-quarters adjustment.
 
I have two playing shafts . In one shaft, this does not work all that well .
In the other shaft with less squirt, it works really well .
 
When I use maximum inside english I have to aim 2 quarters (1/2 a ball) thicker, regardless of cut angle. In other words, only on a halfball shot do I aim through the side of the cb to center ob. If it's a 3/4 ball shot, and I'm using max inside spin, I would aim through the side of the cb (where I'm applying my english) to the opposite 3/4 aim point on the ob, which is a 2-quarters adjustment.

From that statement I would guess you're playing a lot of those shots at similar distances.
 
Yes. And from varying distances the player just has to learn how much the compensation is.
That's right you need to know your stroke so you know what to expect. I always found it easier to use middle ball to side and vary my stroke around the same spin selection with side spin.
 
That's right you need to know your stroke so you know what to expect. I always found it easier to use middle ball to side and vary my stroke around the same spin selection with side spin.

For loaded up inside english shots I'm not sure about, I will actually step into the shot as if I'm shooting center ball, then do a couple of strokes with backhand english to see the line I need for the spin. Then I'll stand up and reapproach the shot on that off-center line so that everything is lined up on the correct line.
 
For loaded up inside english shots I'm not sure about, I will actually step into the shot as if I'm shooting center ball, then do a couple of strokes with backhand english to see the line I need for the spin. Then I'll stand up and reapproach the shot on that off-center line so that everything is lined up on the correct line.

That's as good a way as any. If you know your allowance and line up on the correct allowance how can that be wrong?

Where I seem to go wrong is when I shoot long shots and don't use enough sidespin like I'm used to. I actually do better
with more sidespin and I'm trying to get used to using less. The things this game puts us through!
 
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