Chris
That is great. I see you re-racked in order to do it properly did your video run out of juice?
Thanks for posting, you made me laugh,
Kevin
Why Not Rotation?
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Chris
That is great. I see you re-racked in order to do it properly did your video run out of juice?
Thanks for posting, you made me laugh,
Kevin
Very nice run there. I thought you had the last two balls for the runout for sure. It isn't easy to run all 15, but you got through the hardest park fine. I'd be happy with running 13 in rotation on my BB. It's just too cluttered for 15 ball rotation. Johnnyt
I did successfully break and run a couple of racks the next night. It was a lot harder than I thought it would be. You really do have to be able to play everything, banks, kisses, combos - and you have to get lucky too and make a really good break.
Honestly, I was actually getting myself out of stroke just trying again and again to do it.
Chris
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I had tried for a half hour before that! I quit a few racks later, a little crazier than when I started. You can see that was my old table - we've re-done the room since then.
Chris
The first game I learned was rotation and I still play as practice on occasion. I would agree with the gentlemen that suggested that time constraints and lengthy safety battles relegate this game to the dedicated few, more's the pity. It is definately on par with 14:1 for developing most skills required in cue sports.
Problem with rotation is that pro's run out and employ the finer points everybody else messes around until they get into the higher # balls (61 points).
15 ball rotation was my first game of pool (nowhere near the PI skill). Cut throat when we had 3 players (we didn't know about ring games).
What I regret was I started playing only rotation and 14.1 (neighbor's houses). Somewhere along the line I learned "real" players didn't play rotation so I never played it again (wish I would have kept up rotation).
We didn't have a good interpretation of general pool rules (came from the middle of nowhere 40 miles or so to the nearest town). We thought a legal lag was when you freeze the cue ball to the rail and last pocket 8 ball was the legal way to play. Everything else was a "gimmick" game.
I tried it and found it tough, and I'm at least borderline B player. Kicking in 9 ball is tough, but try it with a zillion balls littering the table... plus, yeah, there's math. It sounds dumb but I'm at a pool hall with no wire or numbers built into the table. We ended up resorting to cell phones to add it up. Pain in the ass. I have no idea how it could become the major game in another country. But clearly it's good for them.
Balls are racked with the 1 on the spot, 2 and 3 on the rear corners and the 15 in the middle.
Like 9, 10 or any rotation game, the lowest ball on the table must be hit first for a legal shot.
Balls are scored at face value total rack is 120 pts so 61 wins the game.
3 foul rule applies. When a player fouls the incoming player has the option to play it where the CB lays (no BIH) or have the shooter who fouled shoot again. A scratch is a foul and results in BIH in the kitchen. Balls pocketed on a foul do not count and are spotted.
I love to play this game, and it is IMO more difficult on a barbox in the early stages of the game just because of the congestion.
Simplicity? Having to run 15 balls in numerical order? Please tell me you don't think 10-ball would be a challenge next to that.
Let me add though, that here in Japan we play by a little different rules. We don't do the 61 wins. We play to a certain number of points. I don't know what B and C class play to but in the A class we play to 180. Rotation is definitely not a simple game.
MULLY
I've only run out 180 from the break a handful of times
How does that work? Are you reracking all 15, or 14 missing the head ball like straight pool after the initial rack is run?
How does that work? Are you reracking all 15, or 14 missing the head ball like straight pool after the initial rack is run?
The way we always played rotation when it's to a certain number of points is all 15 balls are re-racked. The player at the table continues his run by breaking the new rack of 15 balls.
I guess what I'm really asking is this:
Why not just follow the Filipino blueprint? The results speak for themselves.
By the way, do they have organized APA and BCA type leagues there, or is it all action all the time?
Why not just follow the Filipino blueprint? The results speak for themselves.
By the way, do they have organized APA and BCA type leagues there, or is it all action all the time?
i feel your pain...
but it was great watching...
that is until the end
so...
thanks for posting
and to me:
14.1 is the best game; no doubt, for sure, hands down...
then rotation is 2nd [cause it has more luck i feel]
just my 2 cents
all the best,
smokey
but it was great watching...
that is until the end
so...
thanks for posting
and to me:
14.1 is the best game; no doubt, for sure, hands down...
then rotation is 2nd [cause it has more luck i feel]
just my 2 cents
all the best,
smokey
3 foul rule applies. When a player fouls the incoming player has the option to play it where the CB lays (no BIH) or have the shooter who fouled shoot again. A scratch is a foul and results in BIH in the kitchen. Balls pocketed on a foul do not count and are spotted.
norm not, but can be applicable
It would be the ultimate test but it wouldn't hold the irterest of the average person that might be flicking through channels look ing for something to watch. If it's early in the rack and a lot of safety play is going on your going to lose them.
When, pardon my comparison, golf first started, what they mainly showed, was the good approach shots and the great or pressure putts. We need more camera's focused on more tables so we can show the brilliant shots that are being pulled off much like golf did and still does.
Just my opinion
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When, pardon my comparison, golf first started, what they mainly showed, was the good approach shots and the great or pressure putts. We need more camera's focused on more tables so we can show the brilliant shots that are being pulled off much like golf did and still does.
Just my opinion
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Rotation (or 61) is a great game. Certainly one of the toughest to play well. I have been playing for the last two days in Manila and it is still the most popular game here. It's a little different version over here, but you can learn fast. I'm old school, I'll play any game on a pool table and probably have at one time or another.
norm not, but can be applicable
I actually found out about rotation reading Capelle's Play Your Best Pool in the chapter 4 more great games, using the rules found there.
I have never seen this game played anywhere but here in my pool room. No one but a few friends of mine know what the game is around here.
What are the generally accepted rules there in the P.I.?
I actually found out about rotation reading Capelle's Play Your Best Pool in the chapter 4 more great games, using the rules found there.
I have never seen this game played anywhere but here in my pool room. No one but a few friends of mine know what the game is around here.
What are the generally accepted rules there in the P.I.?
I think everything is pretty much the same except the incoming shooter has the option to ask for the ball to be spotted and lose his inning if he is snookered.