Why STILL All The Venom For Bill Stroud?

I don't know about this man. I kind of disagree. It's time to move on and forgive those who trespass against us.

Bill Stroud is an old man now, show some respect.

Yes, Bill made several mistakes. His first was to hold a free build your dream cue raffle and then not follow through.

His second mistake was the lack of communication after the fact.

But why does the scab need to be scratched back open time and time again?

Are we trying to save someone from getting cheated by Bill? ... no



Jumpin, why don't you go beat the snott out of Bill with a baseball bat?

Would you be ok letting go then?


COULD FORCE BUYERS TO SCRUTINIZE AND BE MORE CAREFUL WHEN DEALING WITH CUSTOM ORDER CUES, ...REFUSE TO PUT 1/2 DOWN...that could hurt honest cue builders. That's the damage.

JUST SAYING.
 
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?

Never forget 9/19/2002!!!!!!!
 
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?
Guys remember when Michael Jackson dangled that baby over the balcony?

Never forget 9/19/2002!!!!!!!

Actually, a short while ago there was a news story about MJ's kids. Including the one formerly known as "Blanket". So what's the point?

He was an extraordinarily talented performer. Also a prescription drug addict. An accused child molester. Not to mention he NEVER had plastic surgery. His entire family is / was disfunctional. Again he was an extraordinarily talented performer.

How does this equate with Bill Stroud and the DYD cue he never delivered? A simple explanation will do.

Lyn
 
Actually, a short while ago there was a news story about MJ's kids. Including the one formerly known as "Blanket". So what's the point?

He was an extraordinarily talented performer. Also a prescription drug addict. An accused child molester. Not to mention he NEVER had plastic surgery. His entire family is / was disfunctional. Again he was an extraordinarily talented performer.

How does this equate with Bill Stroud and the DYD cue he never delivered? A simple explanation will do.

Lyn
Lyn:

Um, he 100% had plastic surgery. Any reasonable human can look at his Billie Jean album cover and then look at how he looked prior to his death to see he clearly had plastic surgery (carving his face up to look like Peter Pan). Unless, of course, vitiligo makes someone look like Peter Pan by default.

Sculpting your face to look like Peter Pan, naming your home "Neverland" and having an affinity towards kids....hmmm..... anyways, he 10000% had plastic surgery.

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No plastic surgery here!! :)

Anyways, I'm sure you were kidding --- but I couldn't resist to get sucked in anyways. I like his music but that guy was a creep-scumbag of the highest order.

Talking about creep scumbags----Ahem---- I wonder if Bill is still living that pipe-dream to become a pool player instead of doing the right thing as a human being.
 
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Spidey,

You are correct. Was 100% kidding about the NEVER having plastic surgery part. He and his family denied it for years. It's a shame how having sooooo much money and talent corrupted him.

Hoping CreeDo replies. Really want to understand the connection from his point of view. 8onthebreaks comment should strike home to many cue makers. Reputation is above all else. There are lots and lots of very talented cue makers today. Failing to provide a quality product in a timely manner with good customer communication is a recipy for disaster!

Lyn
 
Spidey,

You are correct. Was 100% kidding about the NEVER having plastic surgery part. He and his family denied it for years. It's a shame how having sooooo much money and talent corrupted him.

Hoping CreeDo replies. Really want to understand the connection from his point of view. 8onthebreaks comment should strike home to many cue makers. Reputation is above all else. There are lots and lots of very talented cue makers today. Failing to provide a quality product in a timely manner with good customer communication is a recipy for disaster!

Lyn

I hope you and your fam had a good Christmas/holiday.

Back to Bill. Bill, we all know you read these threads. Stop being a faggot and just make this dude his cue. Stop trying to be some kind of pool player when you're were prob alive when the Titanic sunk - and build this guy the cue of his dreams, as you promised you would.
 
bet terms . . .

But you don't deny having a bet with IBA do you?

What are the terms of that bet and when does that bet expire?

Merry Christmas
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here you go.

generally:

I bet about a c-note with odds that Bill would complete and send mhaimi his dream cue by midnight, 12-31-12 (end of this year, a few days from now).

I made the same bet ending 6-30-12 and lost.

My faith and $$$ were on Bill to get-r-done.

I made it public some time back that if I were to win the bet, I would gladly double the amount won and donate it to charity in a transparent way for all to see.

The one and only purpose for my making and/or contributing to these threads is in the hope that it may, even in some miniscule way, help mhaimi to get his cue. Misguided or not.

And I still believe that Bill is going to make this cue - but I don't think he gives a crap if he has mhaimi wait a few more years while he works on his game or whatever. :rolleyes:

best,
brian kc
 
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Pangit, I have to give it to you. You're the most successful troll I've ever seen on the Internet. You know just how to lay it down to get the most bites. You sir, are an artist. Hats off.

:grin: Really? I'm smitten.

On a serious note. I only know what I read while "trolling" around the net about American pool.

Seriously....Bill Stroud is at least a couple wrungs up the pool s..t ladder from Charlie Williams?

Who would trust your sexy young aspiring pool playing daughter with?

One has way higher odds of being on America's Most Wanted than the other?

While we are at it.. who resides on the lowest wrung of pools s..t ladder?
 
Lyn: my only point was, reading about bill stroud's dirty deed for the tenth time is a bit like seeing someone bring up some decade-old celebrity scandal out of the blue. It's honestly baffling. For once pangit and I are on the same page. ...He must really feel strongly about it, he actually came back to a thread he started.

Not arguing it wasn't wrong, it was a big deal at the time... but the topic is well past its expiration date.

To answer Pangit...
It's hard to figure out who's at the bottom of the shit ladder because some widely hated guys are also widely defended. Does a guy with 100 haters and 0 defenders go lower than a guy with 10,000 haters and 10,000 defenders?

If you were to poll AZ, the bottom of the shit ladder might look like this:
Danny Harriman
Barry Behrman
Kevin Trudeau
Charlie Williams
Bill Stroud
 
Lyn: my only point was, reading about bill stroud's dirty deed for the tenth time is a bit like seeing someone bring up some decade-old celebrity scandal out of the blue. It's honestly baffling. For once pangit and I are on the same page. ...He must really feel strongly about it, he actually came back to a thread he started.

Not arguing it wasn't wrong, it was a big deal at the time... but the topic is well past its expiration date.

To answer Pangit...
It's hard to figure out who's at the bottom of the shit ladder because some widely hated guys are also widely defended. Does a guy with 100 haters and 0 defenders go lower than a guy with 10,000 haters and 10,000 defenders?

If you were to poll AZ, the bottom of the shit ladder might look like this:
Danny Harriman
Barry Behrman
Kevin Trudeau
Charlie Williams
Bill Stroud

CreeDo,

Thanks for the reply. Really didn't understand your post. Keeping a forum member in the spotlight may or may not achieve a desired goal. If we do nothing, the member wins. As the forum membership grows and changes, a post every now and then can't hurt. Over the centurys, nothing has changed society more than the written word and the ease of its dissemination. For good or bad. JMHO.

Lyn
 
Lyn: my only point was, reading about bill stroud's dirty deed for the tenth time is a bit like seeing someone bring up some decade-old celebrity scandal out of the blue. It's honestly baffling. For once pangit and I are on the same page. ...He must really feel strongly about it, he actually came back to a thread he started.

Not arguing it wasn't wrong, it was a big deal at the time... but the topic is well past its expiration date.

To answer Pangit...
It's hard to figure out who's at the bottom of the shit ladder because some widely hated guys are also widely defended. Does a guy with 100 haters and 0 defenders go lower than a guy with 10,000 haters and 10,000 defenders?

If you were to poll AZ, the bottom of the shit ladder might look like this:
Danny Harriman
Barry Behrman
Kevin Trudeau
Charlie Williams
Bill Stroud

Dont forget Eddie Wheat, Jim Lee, Trent, Hangemhigh, maybe a couple of others I am missing :D. Happy day after Christmas day...hit some balls people, love this game!
 
CreeDo,

Thanks for the reply. Really didn't understand your post. Keeping a forum member in the spotlight may or may not achieve a desired goal. If we do nothing, the member wins. As the forum membership grows and changes, a post every now and then can't hurt. Over the centurys, nothing has changed society more than the written word and the ease of its dissemination. For good or bad. JMHO.

Lyn

Well, if bill is still actively selling cues and there's a chance he could rip someone off by not delivering... I guess it makes sense. You can prevent some new guy from getting ripped off.

But from what I understand he sold his cuemaking equipment? So as far as I know there's no danger of it ever happening again. So what's it accomplish other than venting?

You might say, "ok, so what's the harm in venting about it once in a while"... well, no serious harm but... ever meet someone who brings up old injuries and past problems constantly? It's tiring, it can really drag your mood down. And god help anyone who gets married to someone like that. "Remember the time you backed the car into the lawnmower six years ago?"
 
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Well, if bill is still actively selling cues and there's a chance he could rip someone off by not delivering... I guess it makes sense. You can prevent some new guy from getting ripped off.

But from what I understand he sold his cuemaking equipment? So as far as I know there's no danger of it ever happening again. So what's it accomplish other than venting?

You might say, "ok, so what's the harm in venting about it once in a while"... well, no serious harm but... ever meet someone who brings up old injuries and past problems constantly? It's tiring, it can really drag your mood down. And god help anyone who gets married to someone like that. "Remember the time you backed the car into the lawnmower six years ago?"

You hit the nail on the head, my friend. It's the same point I've made over as over and over again. These threads serve little purpose other than just b!tching. It's NOT going to get a cue made and delivered. If that were the case, the cue would be in mhaimi's hands now. But it's not. Why? Because Bill doesn't care. Period.

As for alerting the rest of AZ about Bill Stroud, what good does that do? He retired. He's spending his days playing pool without a care about this contest. So he's not gonna screw future customers over because there ARE no future customers. And all the JWs that are out there already will still hold their value because collectors don't care about a contest. They don't care about the man behind it. They care about the cue, the work in the cue, and the value.

These threads serve as nothing more than a place for a bunch of guys to vent AND as entertainment for those of us who love to laugh at the few who think these threads are a good idea or will ultimately serve a purpose.
 
Well, if bill is still actively selling cues and there's a chance he could rip someone off by not delivering... I guess it makes sense. You can prevent some new guy from getting ripped off.

But from what I understand he sold his cuemaking equipment? So as far as I know there's no danger of it ever happening again. So what's it accomplish other than venting?

You might say, "ok, so what's the harm in venting about it once in a while"... well, no serious harm but... ever meet someone who brings up old injuries and past problems constantly? It's tiring, it can really drag your mood down. And god help anyone who gets married to someone like that. "Remember the time you backed the car into the lawnmower six years ago?"

I understand what you are trying to analogize here, but it really is quite different.

No one here is complaining about their own past injuries or problems for which there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to change any longer, people are warning potentially unaware members of something they may presently or in the future regret, that is possibly doing business with someone who openly broke his word and apparently hasn't any regrets about it. Different....much different.

J
 
You might say, "ok, so what's the harm in venting about it once in a while"... well, no serious harm but... ever meet someone who brings up old injuries and past problems constantly? It's tiring, it can really drag your mood down. And god help anyone who gets married to someone like that. "Remember the time you backed the car into the lawnmower six years ago?"

Damn it CreeDo, have you been talking to my Ex again :p!

Lyn
 
I understand what you are trying to analogize here, but it really is quite different.

No one here is complaining about their own past injuries or problems for which there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to change any longer, people are warning potentially unaware members of something they may presently or in the future regret, that is possibly doing business with someone who openly broke his word and apparently hasn't any regrets about it. Different....much different.

J

^^^^ this. :thumbup:
 
Wow!

I don't understand, I have heard nothing but great things about Mr. Stroud
until I came online to these forums. Do you all realize how many things Bill
has pioneered in the art of cue making? And now all of a sudden there's an
army of people who think it is justifiable to tarnish his reputation because of
some FREE contest cue that hasn't yet been delivered. Did he specify an
exact date when the cue would be done? I doubt it! It doesn't matter what
your line of work is, it is extremely difficult to get motivated to produce
something you are not getting paid for. I also highly doubt a group of Internet
bashers is going to have any impact on a 70+ year old legend that's chosen
to have fun with the rest of his life instead of working. Please stop the
childish attacks, you have nothing to gain from any of this!
 
I don't understand, I have heard nothing but great things about Mr. Stroud
until I came online to these forums. Do you all realize how many things Bill
has pioneered in the art of cue making? And now all of a sudden there's an
army of people who think it is justifiable to tarnish his reputation because of
some FREE contest cue that hasn't yet been delivered. Did he specify an
exact date when the cue would be done? I doubt it! It doesn't matter what
your line of work is, it is extremely difficult to get motivated to produce
something you are not getting paid for. I also highly doubt a group of Internet
bashers is going to have any impact on a 70+ year old legend that's chosen
to have fun with the rest of his life instead of working. Please stop the
childish attacks, you have nothing to gain from any of this!

I believe that the issue is with the current quality of his character, not the quality of his past cue skills and accomplishments.

J
 
irony & hypocrisy alert !

You hit the nail on the head, my friend. It's the same point I've made over as over and over again. These threads serve little purpose other than just b!tching. It's NOT going to get a cue made and delivered. If that were the case, the cue would be in mhaimi's hands now. But it's not. Why? Because Bill doesn't care. Period.

As for alerting the rest of AZ about Bill Stroud, what good does that do? He retired. He's spending his days playing pool without a care about this contest. So he's not gonna screw future customers over because there ARE no future customers. And all the JWs that are out there already will still hold their value because collectors don't care about a contest. They don't care about the man behind it. They care about the cue, the work in the cue, and the value.

These threads serve as nothing more than a place for a bunch of guys to vent AND as entertainment for those of us who love to laugh at the few who think these threads are a good idea or will ultimately serve a purpose.

And again, mia, what purpose do you think your numerous responses in which you keep saying the same thing are going to accomplish?

For the first time I just opened your az profile and took a quick look at the last two pages of your posts. You seem to be like a moth to a flame for anything to do with the Bill Stroud matter as this accounts for maybe 70% of what you comment on. And in your stroud-related posts, all you seem to do is complain about how misguided mine, and others efforts are.

In the other approx 30% of your posts you are split between pot stirring/ complaining in about half of those and the other half you are pretty much saying 'nice cue'.

So, I think there may be some kind of a pattern to your postings. Do you just mostly b**ch and complain on here?

What a solid az contributor you are.

Can't wait to read the next gems that emerge from your keyboard. :rolleyes:

best,
brian kc
 
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