Women in the open.. Other side of the coin

If I was a starving male pro I would be thrilled about adding women and offering them a bonus. Obviously there is a chance that battle of the sexes pool could make for more media and tv coverage and more money for everyone involved but also adding all the women's entry fees into the payout pot would be more than the $1000 wouldn't it. Especially since most men would feel they are "donating".
 
Johnnyt said:
I believe it was Barry's idea of giving the bonus, not the women asking for it. Johnnyt
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I was speaking more towards the general idea of individuals seeking equality to open up additional events, yet still having their own specific events that do not promote open competition....not necessarily speaking of the ladies or this event.....again, IMHO, women are equal....especially in relation to performing on a pool table....

Thanks for the clarity Johnny....
 
bfdlad said:
Do you actually have any kind of opinion that can enlighten me? If you believe in something then you should open up and say it instead of not answering important questions pertaining to the thread or just wanting to end the thread.
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Sorry Mark just trying to help you out. i've stated my opinions. You've stated yours. Others have stated theres. what else is there left to say. this is not a good discussionn leading up to the upcoming us open in general and women's pool specifically. we should be talking about how great a decision it is to include women and not be nitpicking about how a bonus is unfair to men.
 
bfdlad said:
Yes you are right it was his idea and it was also Mark Griffins idea to do it for the US Open 10-Ball. As I said in a previous post. I personally just don't think its right, I will see Kelly Fisher and Allison Fisher this week and I will ask them what their thoughts are on this subject. Obviously they are gonna like the idea but I will try and see if they think it is unfair.

I love pool, its a big part of my life. Look back at any and all other posts I have made on this forum. See how many negative things you can find, I am all about making things better. Some people on here already know how I have tried to do what I could to help the players and the sport. It does not mean that I have to agree with everything.

If the bonus for the ladies is good for pool in general then I think it should be in place. Not saying I like it but if its good for the sport then it has to be and thats all there is to it.
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I agree that your one of the good guy's and good for the game. I don't think it's really fair either, but like I said, the women didn't ask for it and it's being done to promote=more women will enter=more purse money for all in tourny=good for the players and the game. Johnnyt
 
bfdlad said:
I agree, I have thought about this myself since more mens tourneys are allowing the ladies to play why won't they let the men play in theirs. Also some of these events even give a bonus tothe top female player. So just a crazy example of why I don't like this is if all the ladies but one get knocked out in the first round and then the last lady gets knocked out in the 2nd round she may get a $1,000 bonus. Lets say Silver gets knocked out in the 3rd round after beating the last female standing she will make more money than him.

So I can beat out out of a tourney and you still make more money than me??? If the ladies want to play in these events and the promoters want them to play in the events why not just let them play their way into the cash like everyone else? I know if by some miracle the WPBA let the men play in one of their events they would not offer a bonus to us.

Just my opinion and I am sure it will piss a couple of people off but if its equal rights an all that then let it all be equal. I am not a sexist just fair.
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Maybe they could match the weaker men players up against the stronger women and not even have a draw just so the could have a predictable outcome , as much as that would be possible .
 
bfdlad said:
Yes you are right it was his idea and it was also Mark Griffins idea to do it for the US Open 10-Ball. As I said in a previous post. I personally just don't think its right, I will see Kelly Fisher and Allison Fisher this week and I will ask them what their thoughts are on this subject. Obviously they are gonna like the idea but I will try and see if they think it is unfair.

I love pool, its a big part of my life. Look back at any and all other posts I have made on this forum. See how many negative things you can find, I am all about making things better. Some people on here already know how I have tried to do what I could to help the players and the sport. It does not mean that I have to agree with everything.

If the bonus for the ladies is good for pool in general then I think it should be in place. Not saying I like it but if its good for the sport then it has to be and thats all there is to it.
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I think having the ladies benefits the event as a whole. As Luxury said, the extra entries added by the ladies will far cover the bonus that will be paid to the top finisher (i.e. 10 women players at $500 entry - $1K bonus = $4K more in the whole pot). I think that viewership will increase to see how the ladies finish against the men, not to mention that most casual players I have met prefer to watch women play pool.

The chance of a women winning, or even placing in the top ten, is pretty slim, so the chance that they will be paid more is pretty non-existent. But, I think your concern is that if a woman does happen to win, she would get more than a man. I do agree that it is unfair, but there is a quick solution to this, payout the highest finishing lady that doesn't make it to the money rounds. I used to do that locally when I ran tournaments and it worked out well. It increased participation from the ladies, but at the same time, the ones that were good enough to compete with the men and to make it in the money, weren't given extra money just for being female.
 
That shouldn't be too hard. You could always cancel any bonus once a player reaches the top 32 (or 64 or whatever)

Steve
 
Truthfully, I have never considered travelling to Virginia to watch the open but now I am.
 
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mlalum said:
Well it never fails. Men in every sport immediately make this case when there's any woman wanting to play in a men's event. NEVER FAILS. Hard to find a word that correctly describes the phehistoric level of thought involved here.

Luckily men's pool doesn't need any help. It's already wildly successful and cutting edge.

One of the big arguments from the players against Annika: She was going to take the bread out of some poor man's mouth who is trying to support a family. OMG. When men feel threatened they're apparently willing to say almost anything no matter how ....
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Dammit, Perm, I don't care how tite them rollers is. Your head is on good!
Big Perm said:
I agree with the OP's basic premise....

To take it a step further, whether women or other protected groups, I adamantly dislike the fact that people want to be equal to a point.....they like to be "equal" when it benefits them, but they prefer to be women or another group when there is an advantage....
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The men should be happy the women want to donate the same as they are happy when all the B players and A players come and play in the US Open that have no shot of doing better than 2 and out unless they get drawn against each other. Who doesn't like dead money? God forbid the women actually have a strong showing, wonder what will happen then?

All I know is Barry just opened himself up to some un needed scrutiny when he's already being watched hard by the bean counters. If the chicas perform well and finish high I think it will end the event as we know it. There are lots of pro males that have a very strong stance on women not being allowed to play because the women have had a successful tour in the past. With the WPBA on the ropes the women are looking for events to play and the guys already have a major shortage, so it's a lose-lose situation right now.

If it was up to me I'd just like to see the women have a ladies event at the US Open that ran side by side like lots of regional tours do. That would still draw the crowds but unfortunately the stock of Kleenex won't go up!
 
I went through this in the last thread, my stand is if you have the same event such as a US Open 9 Ball championships if you allow women in the mens event you should allow men in the womens, fair is fair however you wanna look at it. Now if an event isn't titled as a mens or womens event everyone should play period there should be no restrictions. This is gonna get beat into the ground like it did last time.
 
IplayBAD said:
I went through this in the last thread, my stand is if you have the same event such as a US Open 9 Ball championships if you allow women in the mens event you should allow men in the womens, fair is fair however you wanna look at it. Now if an event isn't titled as a mens or womens event everyone should play period there should be no restrictions. This is gonna get beat into the ground like it did last time.
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Let then in the Womens Open. It really doesn't matter anymore anyhow. It would be interesting to see which pro men would play. The reason it doesn't matter is if the men kill the WPBA Open there only killing 50% of the tour and anyone can see that most big tournaments and tours in the near future will have women playing in them or the women pros won't have anywhere to play in the US. Johnnyt
 
You can't compare this situation in pool to men's professional golf because to my knowledge there has never been an issue with women playing on the PGA tour. Believe it or not, the PGA tour is in fact NOT a men's tour. Nowhere in their charter is gender mentioned. Just because there is an LPGA tour people assume the PGA tour is a men's tour, but it is not. The fact is that women can compete on the PGA tour but they must get to the tour the same way any man does, by qualifying for it. And they must play from the same tees as the men. There are no handicaps given to anyone - all players compete on a level playing field. So far no woman has been able to accomplish this, except for sponsor's exemptions.

As for woman competing with men in pool, it's really up to the promoter. This talk about the WPBA doesn't mean anything since there is no men's tour to compare it to. The U.S. Open 9 and 10 ball events are individually run and the promoters can invite or qualify whoever they want - period. Frankly, anyone who has an issue with women playing in the upcoming U.S. Open 10 Ball Championship are under the misconception that it is a men's event. It's not, it's an open event just like the name says.

I think it's great that women have been invited to play in these two big marquee events. As for men playing in the WPBA, I personally couldn't care less that they're not allowed.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Do you want women in our sport at all? If so, let them have both their own events + be able to join the mens.

There are atleast 100 guys for each girl playing pool. That number would increase by far if you don't let them recruit players for their own tournaments.

I know that Jasmin can win a major one day, but most of the women can't. Yet. Let them play in both kind of events, and they will recruit more players. In time there will be more girls able to knock the men, and who knows, maybe only 50 men per woman in 10 years or so.

If you force all girls to play only open events, there will be no more women pool.
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BFDLAD, you never replied me on this :)

This goes to others who feel the same way too...

Like I said in a post in the action forum, there are way too many men playing pool compared to girls so it won't be fair.

I have played 5 eurotours and never finished top 100 in any of them, but I have beaten Jeanette, Line, Sarah and Jennifer the last 1,5 years. All of them are ranked top 25 or better on the wpba.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that you will kill women pool if you allow players like me to finish in the money on wpba events, when there are thousands of players I won't play without getting a huge spot.

There are only less than a handful of women able to go real deep in big events like the US Open. Yet. Give them some time, let the WPBA and other women tour grow, and you will see that they will start winning men's events too.

Like it is now, they will only put more money into the pot.

Is that a bad thing?

And how GREAT if a girl won. Maybe that will mean that even more girls will start to play pool too.
 
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DogsPlayingPool said:
The fact is that women can compete on the PGA tour but they must get to the tour the same way any man does, by qualifying for it. And they must play from the same tees as the men. There are no handicaps given to anyone - all players compete on a level playing field. So far no woman has been able to accomplish this, except for sponsor's exemptions.
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WRONG!

Mildred "Babe" Didrikson Zaharias, considered by many the nation's greatest female athlete, fit all those descriptions in her lifetime.

The one thing she wasn't: boring.

Zaharias' name has come up often lately because she's the last woman to tee it up with the men at a PGA event. In January 1945, she played in PGA tournaments in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Tucson, Ariz., qualifying and making the 36-hole cut for all three of them.
 
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