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High inside never touching the second rail - why even bring in the scratch in the side. Anywhere from center table to another diamond close to the 2nd rail is more than perfect.
Jason
 
What happens if you play it softly without side spin and just hard enough to roll the eight into the pocket? It looks to me like you should have position. It does require judgement on the speed -- most will hit the shot too hard.

You can also cheat the pocket a little bit and use a touch of inside English to give yourself an even better angle on the nine. Not a hard shot by any means.
 
Slow pace, touch of check side, leaves whitey near enough middle of table, leaving a simple enough cut on the 9.
 
Second attempt. Exceptional.

Nice t-shirt. I want one...

Second attempt. Exceptional??? Yeah, for the opponent.

Nice T-shirt? It's a black T-shirt, nothing out of the ordinary. Are we watching the same video???

BTW, RiverCity....nice video.

Maniac
 
I am stunning the 8 with a touch of draw and a lot of L) spin on my gold crown. No side rail, just straight to end rail and back up and over for the 9.

On a diamond, I'd probably go forward into the side rail, then into corner to get under the 9.

I don't seek out shots where you kill the ball with inside. Too dependent on speed, when compared with running English.
 
Inside (right) english, a little bit of low, soft kill shot should bring
the CB on the same side of the 9. The speed of the cloth
dictates how hard you hit it. $.02
 
Inside (right) english, a little bit of low, soft kill shot should bring
the CB on the same side of the 9. The speed of the cloth
dictates how hard you hit it. $.02
Why add low? That would only widen the CB's angle off the 8 when you want it to follow forward as straight as possible.

pj
chgo
 
Here's a scale drawing of my estimate of the ball positions. The cut appears to be slightly thinner than a half-ball shot. I think the best you can do with a plain, rolling cue ball is to go straight at the nine ball.

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I don't seek out shots where you kill the ball with inside. Too dependent on speed, when compared with running English.

Just my opinion, but with the 8-ball so close to the pocket and the cue ball so close to the 8-ball, I cannot imagine anybody with any playing ability at all to have any problem with speed control on this shot.

But then...sh*t does happen.

Maniac (especially when I'm shooting :embarrassed2:)
 
Okay, I just now got off of my lazy butt and set this shot up. In the three tries I took at it (after seeing my results I didn't feel the need to try it any more that that) I used a slow roll, high right English and on all three attempts made the 8-ball and left the cue ball center of table about 6"-8" on the good side of the side pockets for a very makeable shot (even for me) down the rail.

I agree...not that tough a shot.

Maniac
 
Here's a scale drawing of my estimate of the ball positions. The cut appears to be slightly thinner than a half-ball shot. I think the best you can do with a plain, rolling cue ball is to go straight at the nine ball.

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Just FTR...this is the exact position my cue ball ended up at on all three attempts.

Maniac
 
I'm certainly not a great player, but I find this shot purely "routine"...medium speed with inside english. Wouldn't have a second thought.
 
I'm certainly not a great player, but I find this shot purely "routine"...medium speed with inside english. Wouldn't have a second thought.
How about if the eight ball is one ball farther from the short rail?

My point is that the shot is close to the boundary of being able to play it as a simple one-railer. The OP warned us that it was near the limit. This kind of position is a fairly common problem when you get not quite right on a ball. Do you try the simpler way or do you discard it as too touchy?

I think that trying to understand the shot just from a glance at the pictures is not sufficient. Lots of times the angles are distorted, as you often see in single-camera streams from the end of the table. A simple shot near the end rail will be distorted into an impossible back-cut which the player then shoots easily at low speed.
 
Why add low? That would only widen the CB's angle off the 8 when you want it to follow forward as straight as possible.

pj
chgo

Hi PJ.. inside english with a little low kills the CB off the rail, shortens the
angle of the CB off the rail... works for me in this situation :thumbup:
 
Second attempt. Exceptional??? Yeah, for the opponent.

Nice T-shirt? It's a black T-shirt, nothing out of the ordinary. Are we watching the same video???

BTW, RiverCity....nice video.

Maniac

Chuck is a good friend of mine. I was teasing, being sarcastic. Which he gets, trust me.
 
Just my opinion, but with the 8-ball so close to the pocket and the cue ball so close to the 8-ball, I cannot imagine anybody with any playing ability at all to have any problem with speed control on this shot.

But then...sh*t does happen.

Maniac (especially when I'm shooting :embarrassed2:)

My thoughts exactly. It's close enough to the pocket to make shooting it with top inside a pretty easy option. Or hit it softer if using no inside.
 
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