Zinzola Cues opinions?

Graciocues said:
Leave the fact that I'm a builder out of your statement.
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That is my whole point...you ARE a builder! I would think you would have enough respect for other builders to either keep your opinions to yourself, or call them and offer advice. But you chose to air it out in a public forum.

Obviously, I know a lot of cuemakers since I am in the business, and I don't know one of them that would make a post like you did in public forum about one of their peers. That is one of those unwritten rules I suppose you don't get.

Not cool at all IMO...
 
I've never played with one of his cues or seen one inperson, so take this with a grain of salt...

I think his points look great, but in the pics of the cues he has for sale, the inlays leave something to be desired for th price he's asking. Personal preference here (grain of salt again), I would look closer at Blackcreek cues. Travis makes an awesome full splice cue for the close to the same money.

I think Tony will eventually become an exceptional cue maker, he's just not there yet.

Jim
 
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Worminator said:
That is my whole point...you ARE a builder! I would think you would have enough respect for other builders to either keep your opinions to yourself, or call them and offer advice. But you chose to air it out in a public forum.

Obviously, I know a lot of cuemakers since I am in the business, and I don't know one of them that would make a post like you did in public forum about one of their peers. That is one of those unwritten rules I suppose you don't get.

Not cool at all IMO...
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I have an opinion and if the thread title was "Zinzola reviews from shooters only" I wouldn't post. I enjoy a great cue as much as anybody no matter who built it.

If I started a sales pitch trying to take business you could call me out. Having an opinion doesn't break any rules and your getting away from the subject of the thread. Getting back on the subject.
 
Me personally (what do I know) I think a cue builders opinions on each others cues would matter also..maybe it should have been private, I dont know. I think Scott was not trying to be mean, I think he was giving his honest opinion as a builder...If people dont want opinions on something, why ask? Why is it when someone gives a less than desireable opinion, that person is bashed? :confused: If I was a cue builder, it wouldnt matter to me if Scott did this to me...I would take it in stride and only try and do better next time.

Again, what I have to say is just my opinion...take it or leave it, I am not trying to pick sides at all. I admire Zinzola cues work, as well as Gracio cues...

Regards,
Shawn
 
Graciocues said:
I have an opinion and if the thread title was "Zinzola reviews from shooters only" I wouldn't post. I enjoy a great cue as much as anybody no matter who built it.

If I started a sales pitch trying to take business you could call me out. Having an opinion doesn't break any rules and your getting away from the subject of the thread. Getting back on the subject.
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Mr Gracio...I do not know if you make nice cues or not, but I can certainly tell you there is no way on God's green earth Tony would have posted anything negative about one of your cues, even if he felt they looked like crap and people were asking for opinions on them.

You just don't seem to get it...
 
tikkler said:
I personally think that Scott not only gets it but he is right on.......Scott keep telling it like it is my man.

Jamie its a shame you want to continue the big secrets of cuemakers.......try telling it like it is
Steve
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Ok...I guess my last post was not my last post....

Steve, please explain what big cuemaking secrets I am keeping here. I am all for the knowledge sharing between cuemakers...ask Mr Haley. Ron is willing to share more knowledge than any cuemaker I know, and was one of the cuemakers that stopped by to talk to Tony about his cues. I think that is great for the craft.

So you feel we should get all the cuemakers we can on here we can and let them bash each others work? I don't believe that is the right approach at all Steve.

Now I know you have recently moved into the "I hate Dealers" camp by your own admission, and that is cool, but please keep those feelings out of the mix.
 
well

I am simply saying that the truth is always the best policy.....and by everybody giving there honest opinion, in the long run is going to help everybody.

and dragging up my not wanting to buy from dealers, very clearly has nothing to do with this, unless you want to get into that subject....LOL

Steve
 
tikkler said:
I am simply saying that the truth is always the best policy.....and by everybody giving there honest opinion, in the long run is going to help everybody.
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I agree with this also Steve, but what kind of cuemaking secrets was I hiding? I simply do not understand that statement.

tikkler said:
and dragging up my not wanting to buy from dealers, very clearly has nothing to do with this, unless you want to get into that subject....LOL

Steve
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I assumed that is one of the reason you decided to post what you did...

From dealer perspective, we did one deal and I think I gave you more than fair price on the cue...but then again...we do not want to get into the dealer discussion.
 
~reading this thread, seeing little about Zinzola cues~

So the opinions range from over priced, poor inlays at times, to great cuemaker, and nice veeners.

So both good and bad opinions, and probably some in the middle. That at least is valuable. Arguing about who can give their opinion is somewhat silly imho, and only makes the people involved look bad. Not to mention backlashes onto Mr. Zinzola as well.

Personally I like how his cues look to a large degree. Have considered buying one, though I might skip on the silver inlays for now. Think he is obviously talented, and still learning. Cues are higher priced than some others, but I'm a firm believer in free market prices and if he can get it than more power to him.
 
Worminator said:
Last post on this thread...

Mr Gracio...I do not know if you make nice cues or not, but I can certainly tell you there is no way on God's green earth Tony would have posted anything negative about one of your cues, even if he felt they looked like crap and people were asking for opinions on them.

You just don't seem to get it...
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So Tony doesn't get an opinion either??

That's not fair. He knows a lot about the construction of a cue and has the rite to tell anybody what he thinks about my cues. I wouldn't get mad at him because he's a builder.

I didn't start the thread!

If a builder gets on a thread about my cues and tries to talk people into buying their cues instead I'd PM them and discus my thoughts. That's not an opinion that's stealing business.


Tikkler can buy any cue he wants and from whomever he wants. I have no idea what that has to do with this thread. Stay on the subject.

Your post on this thread will stop others from speaking their mind. This site only works if people have the freedom to say what they think. Having to worry about arguing because somebody doesn't like the feedback is crap and too many are afraid to speak freely unless it's positive.

Should I PM you if I have any NOT SO POSSITIVE comments in the future to make sure I'm not breaking any rules?
Not going to happen! I will post my thoughts and be active on this forum.

Back to the subject.
What is your opinion on Zinzola cues? Do you own one of his cues? Having one in your inventory for sale doesn't count.
 
Cuemakers bashing other cuemaker's work in a public forum is wrong...period! Every cuemaker I know lives by this rule. There are other places to discuss these types of things within the cuemaker community.

Graciocues said:
What is your opinion on Zinzola cues? Do you own one of his cues? Having one in your inventory for sale doesn't count.
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Yes, I have a Zinzola cue in my collection. Tony and I designed the cue together, and he made it better than my original design. The inlays are tight, and the cue is gorgeous. The Elephant wrap installation is perfect and it is very tough to find the seem. The cue plays very solid also.
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Worminator said:
Cuemakers bashing other cuemaker's work in a public forum is wrong...period! Every cuemaker I know lives by this rule. There are other places to discuss these types of things within the cuemaker community.



Bashing is a harsh, gratuitous, predjudicial attack on a person, group or subject. Literally, bashing is a term meaning to hit or, colloquially, to assault but when it is used as a suffix, or in conjunction with a noun indicating the subject being attacked, it is normally used to imply a sense of uncompromising vehemence and bigotry about the assailant.

o⋅pin⋅ion   /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [uh-pin-yuhn] Show IPA
–noun 1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
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thanks for the English lesson high... let's take everything in its literal sense from this point forward...

geesh....
 
I believe that Tony is doing amazing things for a cue maker that has only been building cues for 2 years give or take. I'm pretty sure that we could go back and look at any top 10 cue makers first 50 cues and find some serious flaws. The criticism express in this thread is overly harsh IMO .

I have heard several cue makers (top ten ) even state that they couldn't stand to look at their early work and see how poor it was and they were surprised that anyone even bought it. In time with dedication, patience, and a little help from his friends, Tony will be one of these guys.

That said I would not accept a cue that had disconnected ring work if that was the cue makers signature ring. I believe that Tony is in the process of addressing this issue with some helpful hints gleaned from some of the top cue makers at the show.

As far as pricing goes I'm a free market guy so It's what the market will bear. I can remember when I first got into cues and started posting here in 2005 or 2006 I was bashed by all the usual suspects for offering a new leather wrapped tascarella with inlays for $3000 and a brand new Hercek with a Hoppe ring for $2650.

How many of you would by them today in an instant for those prices.... All of you I'll bet.
 
wow

imagine if this whole thread was started to get some free advertising.....if it was, it is certainly working very well. Interesting that it was brought up in the main forum....HHHMMMMMM

LOL.......but who would do that
Steve
 
Worminator said:
That is my whole point...you ARE a builder! I would think you would have enough respect for other builders to either keep your opinions to yourself, or call them and offer advice. But you chose to air it out in a public forum.

Obviously, I know a lot of cuemakers since I am in the business, and I don't know one of them that would make a post like you did in public forum about one of their peers. That is one of those unwritten rules I suppose you don't get.

Not cool at all IMO...
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"Unwritten rules". Would these "unwritten rules" disclosures hurt the sales of the cues you sell (hype)? I think it would be a good idea for cue makers to give an honest critique of others cues. It would seem like the consumer would get a good idea of a cue makers strengths and weaknesses.

Glen
 
tikkler said:
imagine if this whole thread was started to get some free advertising.....if it was, it is certainly working very well. Interesting that it was brought up in the main forum....HHHMMMMMM

LOL.......but who would do that
Steve
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A guy who was entertaining the thought of buying a cue from this guy. so he posted in the main forum where the most traffic is. Where more players are and less cue collectors. seeking someone that might use one everyday. That's all.
 
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