Dennis Hatch needs a stake horse!
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As a long time backer and sponsor of pool players I feel compelled to post again on here. EVERY DEAL IS SEPARATE! Meaning just because you back a guy a few times, does not make you obligated to back him every time. I see nothing wrong with a backer who puts Dennis in tournaments being reluctant to put up ten grand for a money match. That is his prerogative and his money to spend as he sees fit. And that is the bottom line.
Anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't understand the relationship between players and backers. Once again, every situation is it's own individual case. Just because a guy made money with Dennis in a few tournaments does not in any way obligate him to stake him in a big money game. Very doubtful they have any kind of deal written or otherwise. As far as announcing a match between Dennis and Darren, all the ducks should be in a row before any announcements are/were made. That is why I was not surprised by all this.
Just because Dennis wants to play the match does not mean he has the money lined up yet. Sure he wants to play, Why not? It's a free roll at 5K.
Anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't understand the relationship between players and backers. Once again, every situation is it's own individual case. Just because a guy made money with Dennis in a few tournaments does not in any way obligate him to stake him in a big money game. Very doubtful they have any kind of deal written or otherwise. As far as announcing a match between Dennis and Darren, all the ducks should be in a row before any announcements are/were made. That is why I was not surprised by all this.
Just because Dennis wants to play the match does not mean he has the money lined up yet. Sure he wants to play, Why not? It's a free roll at 5K.
Dennis has been up and down th pike many many times and I expect he knows what is best in this situation. This is only my guess.
There are many out there these days who are only "fair weather backers". They want to be involved in low investment deals and risk very little. They like being involved with good players, but, when the talk turns serious or for serious nvestment, they fll far to the rear of the crowd.
I can see both sides of this and I don't fault Dennis at all. When uo go to an event with a small entry and win around $1000-$1200 and have to split it, well, let's face it, $5-600 ain't much money these days.
My point, there are two perspectives to everything.
Hmmm, seems that most guys posting here accepts the fact that this is a "conveniance" cooperation both for the backer and the player.
The backer is good as long as the risk is low / not existent - very convenient.
The player is good as long as he needs the backing - very convenient.
I believe for a healthy long term relationship, the relation between player and backer should be more professional.
A player like Dennis Orcullo would never have made it without a manager / backer to help him on his way up the ladder. Now he would be better off ditching his managers / backer since he is winning a lot, but he doesnt.
Thats called Return On Investment for the people who helped him. It also makes them able to help new young up-and-coming players, which again will benefit more players and the backers / managers
If more players were thinking further then their next meal at McDonalds, perhaps pool could go somewhere.
The backer is good as long as the risk is low / not existent - very convenient.
The player is good as long as he needs the backing - very convenient.
I believe for a healthy long term relationship, the relation between player and backer should be more professional.
A player like Dennis Orcullo would never have made it without a manager / backer to help him on his way up the ladder. Now he would be better off ditching his managers / backer since he is winning a lot, but he doesnt.
Thats called Return On Investment for the people who helped him. It also makes them able to help new young up-and-coming players, which again will benefit more players and the backers / managers
If more players were thinking further then their next meal at McDonalds, perhaps pool could go somewhere.
I am also interviewing backers.
your right 5-600 is not much .niether is 50 - 100 to get in I dont understand how you would need a backer for that, its pretty sad
1stroke
That said the tournament winnings are where the backer is going to have a chance at making money over the long run and funding matches like the one coming up with Darren.
The people taking the largest risk in the upcoming match are the backers themselves, they put up 20k+ of their own money, and if their virtually evenly matched horse manages to win the coin toss of a match they win what, 10, 15k maybe?
So you are putting up lets say 20k+ on a 50/50 bet on the chance to win 75% of your orginal stake if you are lucky.
Vegas casinos give a person vastly better return on their investment on a frikkin red/black bet on a roulette wheel then staking a pool player in a money match that is a dead heat gives unless the backer is taking 95% of the winings and throwing the pool player who put up none of the stake 5%.
Pool player staking is a terrible bet and is best done by people with far too much money and nothing better to do with it then throw it into action on pool matches.
LOL!! Really!!
this is just another reason why i respect bartram. there is no b.s. with him. he makes a game, backs himself and plays. and when that game is done..he is looking for another one. pool needs more players like bartram.
Wow
He must have learned that move from the Great Jose Parcia.
As far as backing Dennis goes. All I hear everyday on this forum is how unbeatable Dennis is and how nobody will play him because he is the greatest gambler. He is the best small pocket player, the best money player around and according to some just plain untouchable.
For such a sure thing he should have no problem getting a backer. Well I hope he does because Daz is ready to play and would be dissappointed if the match didn't go off. Daz knows it is going to be real tough but that is exactly how he likes it.
He must have learned that move from the Great Jose Parcia.
As far as backing Dennis goes. All I hear everyday on this forum is how unbeatable Dennis is and how nobody will play him because he is the greatest gambler. He is the best small pocket player, the best money player around and according to some just plain untouchable.
For such a sure thing he should have no problem getting a backer. Well I hope he does because Daz is ready to play and would be dissappointed if the match didn't go off. Daz knows it is going to be real tough but that is exactly how he likes it.
Same With Dynamite
Darren plays with his own money as well. I liked him in this match.
Darren plays with his own money as well. I liked him in this match.
Yes as compared to other sports, our loved sport is WAY below where it should be. A golfer don't need no backer lol... A baseball player don't need no backer. Hell, even a bowler don't need no backer.
I still love the game though, but I am certainly glad I stayed on the college route and got a career instead of playing this sport for a living as it has not got any better in 25 years I been loving it, actually for the road players, it has got much worse.
What this sport really needs is REAL sponsorship. And I don't mean no nickle and dime Joe. It also needs a lot of great people encouraging others to play at a younger age, and older ones to pick it up. And TV coverage don't hurt either, but you know where that comes from? REAL sponsorship. It also should be a centralized tour schedule setup by someone with a great head on their shoulders. The woman's side has done much better at this.
Just my 2 cents...
He sure was beatable saturday night at valley forge.
I just think someone got "scared" and this is the first step in the cancellation of the match.
JMHO
JMHO
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am not too surprised with this news as i heard rumours over the weekend
anyway my british friends and a guy staking me have all booked there flights from philippines and england..me too
i will arrive 28th april
yes i always stake myself when i play for money not all of it of course..but usually a good chunk...
anyway i posted my $1000 to justin at tar at weekend..
i told justine dennis got until end of this week to post the money otherwise rodney morris will step in and play for the same bet...
on the same date!
also if possible id like to raise the bet to 25-30k per man!
race to 100 10ball wpa rules call shot.. all fouls count! rack our own winner breaks!
thanks
dyno
am not too surprised with this news as i heard rumours over the weekend
anyway my british friends and a guy staking me have all booked there flights from philippines and england..me too
i will arrive 28th april
yes i always stake myself when i play for money not all of it of course..but usually a good chunk...
anyway i posted my $1000 to justin at tar at weekend..
i told justine dennis got until end of this week to post the money otherwise rodney morris will step in and play for the same bet...
on the same date!
also if possible id like to raise the bet to 25-30k per man!
race to 100 10ball wpa rules call shot.. all fouls count! rack our own winner breaks!
thanks
dyno
so rodney is gonna step in and play you if dennis pulls out? i will take a sweat bet on dynamite if thats the case.
I talked to Rodney and his backer Sunday night and they want to play if Dennis doesn't. I spoke with Dennis yesterday and he told me he would call me Friday.
There are still details to workout with Rodney about the table but his backer is ready and willing to post so I feel pretty good about having a match May 4-6 one way or the other.
There are still details to workout with Rodney about the table but his backer is ready and willing to post so I feel pretty good about having a match May 4-6 one way or the other.
I love you Darren! You're the man:thumbup:
Good luck in Italy!
so, what's the line on the IPT World runner-up Rodney vs World Champ Darren?