Official 14.1 High Runs

CTYankee said:
I had heard that the run of 526 was done on a table with buckets, but was that standard equipment in those days? I use the term 'standard' very loosely, of course.
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I talked to the person -- George Rood -- who bought that pool room a few months after Mosconi ran the 526. He said that the pockets on that table were not particularly generous. He also said that three or four people think they own the table.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I talked to the person -- George Rood -- who bought that pool room a few months after Mosconi ran the 526. He said that the pockets on that table were not particularly generous. He also said that three or four people think they own the table.
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Guess it's in the eye of the beholder, for in December 2005, OldHasBeen, rest in peace, posted the following:

OldHasBeen said:
I played the table Mosconi ran the 526 on. The most amazing feat was that he didn't scratch. It was a 4 X 8 with exceptionally large pockets. Not to take anything away from a great player.
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millikenb said:
There is a website listing hi runs:
http://www.thebilliardstour.com/straight-pool-high-runs.html
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Unfortunately that page has been down for some time. Here is a copy:

http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm

NB! I have not been able to contact the webmaster of the original site. Please let me know if you are him and don't want the list to be shown.


Here is a shorter list from the Matchroom Sport forum:

http://matchroomsportforums.com/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2202


... and here is my unofficial page with record runs in various categories:

http://www.biljardforbundet.no/index.asp?id=31039

NB. It hasn't been updated since 2005 so you must allow for errors.


BTW. Here is the current unofficial Norwegian list. It includes 32 century makers:

http://www.biljardforbundet.no/inde...um=0&sam=on&par_forum_order=160#messagebodies


... and just because I like high runs here is a video of Niels Feijen making 295:

http://www.frankstorck.nl/nielsfeijen/videoplayer.php?view=41
 
Unbelievable !!!

Nostra said:
Unfortunately that page has been down for some time. Here is a copy:

http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm

NB! I have not been able to contact the webmaster of the original site. Please let me know if you are him and don't want the list to be shown.


Here is a shorter list from the Matchroom Sport forum:

http://matchroomsportforums.com/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=2202


... and here is my unofficial page with record runs in various categories:

http://www.biljardforbundet.no/index.asp?id=31039

NB. It hasn't been updated since 2005 so you must allow for errors.


BTW. Here is the current unofficial Norwegian list. It includes 32 century makers:

http://www.biljardforbundet.no/inde...um=0&sam=on&par_forum_order=160#messagebodies


... and just because I like high runs here is a video of Niels Feijen making 295:

http://www.frankstorck.nl/nielsfeijen/videoplayer.php?view=41
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I love to play pool and enjoy watching good players perform. But I cannot
believe there are enough people (still above ground) who think that the game of 14.1 is still worth re-hashing over and over again. It has been the
most boring, disinteresting game ever concieved in all of pool. That is why
it was laid to rest forty some years ago. If you think one pocket is boring,
try hanging around (for two hours) watching someone run a few hundred balls. Puleeze let it rest in peace as it has been a dead game for over half
a century. Thats why they don't play it anymore....and I for one say......
.....good riddence. Why don't we just bring back balk line billiards and really nod off?

Dick

P.S. Nostra, are you really surprised that most of the straight pool sites have been "down for a while"? Did you expect to find "fresh" 14.1 news ? I'm sorry but nobody cares! Deepest sympathy
to straight pool aficienados...R.I.P.
 
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You know what, Dick? ALL pool games are great!...and ALL great poolplayers learn to play ALL pool games (including 3-C). A well-rounded player enjoys many different games, for the love of the sport...not just because they can gamble at it. You obviously have been around pool a long time, but it sure seems like a lot of your posts are complaints and *****es about one thing or another. Try being a more positive contributor here. 14.1 is still a champion's game, and players like John Schmidt (and many others, here and abroad), who are capable of running hundreds of balls, deserve your respect.
Back in your day, the top players played all games, including 9-ball, banks, one-hole, and straight pool. Did you disrespect them too?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
No disrespect intended!

Scott Lee said:
You know what, Dick? ALL pool games are great!...and ALL great poolplayers learn to play ALL pool games (including 3-C). A well-rounded player enjoys many different games, for the love of the sport...not just because they can gamble at it. You obviously have been around pool a long time, but it sure seems like a lot of your posts are complaints and *****es about one thing or another. Try being a more positive contributor here. 14.1 is still a champion's game, and players like John Schmidt (and many others, here and abroad), who are capable of running hundreds of balls, deserve your respect.
Back in your day, the top players played all games, including 9-ball, banks, one-hole, and straight pool. Did you disrespect them too?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Scott, I don't believe I showed any disrespect for any players, past or present. I was merely expressing my opinion on a game that has been dead for quite some time now. I know I may strike a nerve now and then but I am not vindictive or spiteful. Compared to some posters here, I think I have been courteous and
above board in all my opinions. I respect yours! As for "positive contributions" since when is expressing ones opinion considered B------g ?

Dick
 
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SJDinPHX said:
I love to play pool and enjoy watching good players perform. But I cannot
believe there are enough people (still above ground) who think that the game of 14.1 is still worth re-hashing over and over again. It has been the
most boring, disinteresting game ever concieved in all of pool. That is why
it was laid to rest forty some years ago. If you think one pocket is boring,
try hanging around (for two hours) watching someone run a few hundred balls. Puleeze let it rest in peace as it has been a dead game for over half
a century. Thats why they don't play it anymore....and I for one say......
.....good riddence. Why don't we just bring back balk line billiards and really nod off?

Dick

P.S. Nostra, are you really surprised that most of the straight pool sites have been "down for a while"? Did you expect to find "fresh" 14.1 news ? I'm sorry but nobody cares! Deepest sympathy
to straight pool aficienados...R.I.P.
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Wow... I think you should just tell us how you really feel ;)

Have you ever actually played straight pool or are you just opposed to watching it? If you like pool, I don't see how you can't like it. I LOVE making balls and that's all you do when you practice or play straight pool. It taught me how to manage the table with regard to clusters and problem balls and defense that can be DEADLY in a game of 8ball or 9ball. I used to say that I didn't like Straight Pool ,but it was because I never really "got it". I used to feel the same way about 1pkt. I always said it was boring and was totally not interested. I finally started to play it and now I'm HOOKED!
 
I thought I did!!

ugotactionTX said:
Wow... I think you should just tell us how you really feel ;)

Have you ever actually played straight pool or are you just opposed to watching it? If you like pool, I don't see how you can't like it. I LOVE making balls and that's all you do when you practice or play straight pool. It taught me how to manage the table with regard to clusters and problem balls and defense that can be DEADLY in a game of 8ball or 9ball. I used to say that I didn't like Straight Pool ,but it was because I never really "got it". I used to feel the same way about 1pkt. I always said it was boring and was totally not interested. I finally started to play it and now I'm HOOKED!
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To be honest Tex, I have not played a lot of straight pool, simply because
I liked to be in action and there was not a lot of straight pool action to be had where I grew up. I think straight pool was dead in the western half of the country (where I was raised) long before it began to die out in the eastern states. I was always into the action end of pool, and if there had been action at 14.1 I would have played ( and maybe even learned to like it)
I have played maybe 100 games in my life and 98 of
them were here in Phoenix with an east coaster named Art Barron. He liked to gamble and thats all he would play. It took me 50 games to learn how. (High run 78.) Note; to Scott Lee, if he had only
wanted to play 3C billiards he could have got that on too.

Dick

P.S. Tex, now that you are "hooked" on one pkt., do you still enjoy 14.1 ? zzzzzzzzzz!
 
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SJDinPHX said:
To be honest Tex, I have not played a lot of straight pool, simply because
I liked to be in action and there was not a lot of straight pool action to be had where I grew up. I think straight pool was dead in the western half of the country (where I was raised) long before it began to die out in the eastern states. I was always into the action end of pool, and if there had been action at 14.1 I would have played ( and maybe even learned to like it)
I have played maybe 100 games in my life and 98 of
them were here in Phoenix with an east coaster named Art Barron. He liked to gamble and thats all he would play. It took me 50 games to learn how. (High run 78.) Note; to Scott Lee, if he had only
wanted to play 3C billiards he could have got that on too.

Dick

P.S. Tex, now that you are "hooked" on one pkt., do you still enjoy 14.1 ? zzzzzzzzzz!
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Dick,

With all due respect, I believe that 14.1 is the game's greatest teacher.

Playing 14.1 will strengthen your skills in just about every other game that there is - to include 1 pocket, 9 ball, 8 ball, etc. A 100 ball run would be a thrill for any player to accomplish, not because its easy, but because it is so difficult.

The Straight Pool Forum on this site has A LOT of activity - and IMO that forum generates more knowledge and learning info than any other on this web site.

Straight pool leagues are popping up all across the country.

Great players such as John Schmidt, Danny Harriman, Thorsten Hohmann, and Ralf Souquet credit their 14.1 skills as the basis for all of the success that they have had as champions. Myself, John Schmidt, and Ray Martin are currently giving straight pool clinics - WITH WAITING LISTS & ALTERNATES because their is such a demand for this knowledge.

With all of the current interest in the game today, I doubt that 14.1 will die any time soon - and I am extremely proud to be part of the game's resurgence.

If anybody out there wants to start a straight pool league, visit the following website - it's a lot of fun!

http://www.14and1.com/
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Nostra said:
Unfortunately that page has been down for some time. Here is a copy:

http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm

NB! I have not been able to contact the webmaster of the original site. Please let me know if you are him and don't want the list to be shown.
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I contacted that webmaster and he had forgotten that list was even online. He told me he does not (and will not) update it. There are a few errors now as some new high runs are not listed.
 
poolshark52 said:
i watched babe cranfield run 490 one day and came back the next afternoon and run 493!!! i was racking for him....it was at the holiday bowl in syracuse in th late 60s.
i saw crane run a 370 and seigal a 350 in rochester. i had a 338- 336 then also. those were the days! lucky to get a 100 in once in a while now....dont ever get old!
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Bump for a friend who we lost last year ! RIP Pat Howey.
 
About 4yrs ago or so I watched Philly Billy lose to the 10 ball ghost and he was seriously pissed.

One of our little buddies Charlie ended up racking for him while he played some straight pool....SOB ran over 200 on a 4 1/4" GC.....dude was on a tear

Grey Ghost
 
poolshark52 said:
in pratice...babe crandfield was by far the best 14.1 player i ever saw! i used to go from corning to syracuse with my buddys when we were 15 - 16 just to watch him pratice. never saw a day that he didnt have a 200 run...and i personally racked when he had two 490's !!!
ofcorse crane was the best tournment player in rochester. i watched him run 376 one night also...i was racking again!
larry hubbert was a great player also and the best road player i knew at the time. we played a lot when he wasnt on the road. he was not a big ball runner but very consistant 70 - 80s but could hit you with a 150 at any time...also a nice guy and friend.
then comes mike seigle!!!! he and i played 14.1 almost every day. now this was in the early 70s.mike was 18 or so and he had just started to play the best pool i ever encountered. he just never missed !! and he also had no fear at all...i mean he never doged a shot...he was just incredible! a little story...we used to play for $10 and time...one afternoon we played and he broke first and i ran 100 out...i broke and he ran out...he broke i ran out..i broke he ran another 100..he broke i ran 93 and the little shit ran another 100 and out!! 6 games and i missed once and lost! larry saw his game and ended up takeing him on the road and he just became the best player i ever knew! i know him well, taught him to trout and salmon fish, i have had his whole family charter my boat ...he was even cocky back then.....so ...mike was the best player i ever knew and he has sure proved that to everyone over the last 35 years...
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great post about Howey and Mike Segal playing 14.1
 
poolshark52 said:
my name is pat howey...used to live in rochester ny. i grew up playing mike siegil, hubbard, danny d. crane helped me a lot and babe cranfield was my idle and mentor. i knew him over 40 years. never saw a day he played he didnt run a 200! the great thing about him is he would answer a question after a shot! i retired to fla. and dont play much 14.1 now....getting to old to concentrate ...play a little 1 hole now that is about it...
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Babe Cranfield was Pat's mentor along with Crane !
 
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Originally Posted by jimmyg
Terry, if you're sure about Ralf's you may want to contact the oerson that put together the list at this link. Maybe you two can exchange some info.

Jim

Link:http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm

STRAIGHT POOL HIGH RUNS

High Runs For The Men

600 Plus
PLAYER HIGH RUN

Arthur Babe Cranfield 768 in practice
Tom Parker 642 as told to Dick Leonard
Michael Eufemia 626
No one saw the run from beginning to end, except for Eufemia himself. According to Billiards Digest historian Mike Shamos, this is one of the reasons his record has never been granted official status.


500 Plus
Willie Mosconi 526
Min-Wai Chin 500+

400 Plus
Thomas Engert 492
Gene Nagy 430
Dallas West 429
Ray Martin 426
Allen Hopkins 421
Thorsten Hohmann 408
Earl Strickland 408
Alain Martel 408
John Schmidt 400

found this among this thread in the area of this post by Pat Howey about his mentor Babe Cranfield

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1222078#post1222078

second post on this page is where it is (Cranfield's 768)
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=100583&page=14
 
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poolshark52 said:
my name is pat howey...used to live in rochester ny. i grew up playing mike siegil, hubbard, danny d. crane helped me a lot and babe cranfield was my idle and mentor. i knew him over 40 years. never saw a day he played he didnt run a 200! the great thing about him is he would answer a question after a shot! i retired to fla. and dont play much 14.1 now....getting to old to concentrate ...play a little 1 hole now that is about it...
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The one name I can think of not mentioned in any of these threads is Lou Butera. Saw him play in Sacramento in the early 70's at The Jointed Cue. He must have had some high runs, at least in competition.
 
question for people.... what would you all rather do, run 400+ in practice or run 150 on a good opponent in a big tournament?

i think these big runs are really WAY overrated, i really do. congrats to the people that have done them, but i mean they don't mean anything. i guess they do mean something, as we all talk about them, but that is what i'm saying, maybe we shouldn't. i mean sigel ran 150 at least twice that i know of in huge tournaments. somebody should start a list of high runs when it meant something (gambling, tournament), really. that would be cool to see the contrast.

another thing, i dont even buy prob more than half these high runs. you got guys racking for themselves and they move the rack an 1/8 of an inch and that will allow then to continue. also, they'll shoot at like a 100 to 1 shot, if it goes and they run 100 more that is supposed to be legitimately tacked on?? there is just a lot of bs involved. dont get me wrong, it is amazing the accomplishments, but these runs need to be in competition with a neutral racker or opponent racking and penalty if the plater misses etc
 
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enzo said:
question for people.... what would you all rather do, run 400+ in practice or run 150 on a good opponent in a big tournament?

i think these big runs are really WAY overrated, i really do. congrats to the people that have done them, but i mean they don't mean anything. i guess they do mean something, as we all talk about them, but that is what i'm saying, maybe we shouldn't. i mean sigel ran 150 at least twice that i know of in huge tournaments. somebody should start a list of high runs when it meant something (gambling, tournament), really. that would be cool to see the contrast.

another thing, i dont even buy prob more than half these high runs. you got guys racking for themselves and they move the rack an 1/8 of an inch and that will allow then to continue. also, they'll shoot at like a 100 to 1 shot, if it goes and they run 100 more that is supposed to be legitimately tacked on?? there is just a lot of bs involved. dont get me wrong, it is amazing the accomplishments, but these runs need to be in competition with a neutral racker or opponent racking and penalty if the plater misses etc
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I'd rather achieve a 400+ run because if I can do that even just once then I'm a threat to do the other.

You are right though to a certain extent that these practice runs are mostly vanity. There is a reason why Hohmann apparently never runs more than 150 or 200 in practice, no need.

Nevertheless these massive runs are a tradition of the game.
 
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