Scott Frost vs The So Called One Pocket Greats

[jay helfert]

I'm not saying buddy wasn't great or the best of his time. For one 30 years ago they didn't play safe or kick as good as now. I think maybe efren brought that here.

Mosconi past his prime better than anyone today? Lol that's so ludicrous.

Bingo! Efren revolutionized 9-Ball with his kicking ability. No one had ever seen anything like it when he first came here. It took a couple of years for the Americans to catch up. By then he was starting to learn One Pocket. Once he did that, no one ever caught up!

 

[derekdisco]

Mosconi ran 589 balls in practice at 60 years of age! Charlie Ursetti witnessed it.

I was there, it was awesome.

 

[jay helfert]

I was there, it was awesome.

I like you Derek. You keep it real! :grin-square:

 

[derekdisco]

I like you Derek. You keep it real! :grin-square:

I dont care what you and chris say about each other, youre both ok to me

 

[mikeyfrost]

dont put my stuff in public fool.
and that grill thing is gay.

No offense Bartram, but if you play a practiced Cannon Daulton it could be a very long night. He didn't win the US Open but I'd imagine you want the last 2 if he's hitting them the way he can hit them. He may just have the highest gear around. I've seen him fold up some stone cold champions, then again so have you.

I would literally pay $500 to watch that match on TAR of fly in and bet $5k. I'm not rich in fact I'm poor but damnit that SD is without a doubt my favorite player.

 

[derekdisco]

No offense Bartram, but if you play a practiced Cannon Daulton it could be a very long night. He didn't win the US Open but I'd imagine you want the last 2 if he's hitting them the way he can hit them. He may just have the highest gear around. I've seen him fold up some stone cold champions, then again so have you.

I would literally pay $500 to watch that match on TAR of fly in and bet $5k. I'm not rich in fact I'm poor but damnit that SD is without a doubt my favorite player.

Maybe all that is true. But Chris did offer to play him even, and Shannon said ok, but came back with some excuses on why he couldnt play.

 

[mikeyfrost]

Maybe all that is true. But Chris did offer to play him even, and Shannon said ok, but came back with some excuses on why he couldnt play.

The more I think about it, I think that's literally the best TAR match possible right now, unless SVB takes on the Phillipines. How would SVB come out against their top 5? It's too late, I'm drunk cuz I turned 27 and I have to work in 4 hours, **** this bed time boys...

Just thinkin out loud, they say pool is dead...that's a lie when you think of the champions we have under 40 years old.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

I think he does. I've watched them both play alot! But what do I know... Ask bartram since he has played pinoys alot.

You might end up being one of those guys that isn't open minded thinking nobody will ever be better than efren.

Donny you're a great player and I'll always respect your opinion. In what ways does Dennis play better than Efren? Shotmaking, cueball control, safeties, kicking, etc.

Edited to add:

Keep in mind that most of the people that think nobody will be better than Efren, are the other pros that he plays against

 

[thebighurt]

Donny you're a great player and I'll always respect your opinion. In what ways does Dennis play better than Efren? Shotmaking, cueball control, safeties, kicking, etc.

Edited to add:

Keep in mind that most of the people that think nobody will be better than Efren, are the other pros that he plays against [/Q

This thread shows just how quickly people forget. Out of sight out of mind. Like when people say Kobe and Lebron are better than Michael Jordan. People forget what they watched real quickly.

 

[lfigueroa]

I've seen mosconis stroke and their is no way he could draw balls etc like svb.

I think, to a man, everyone who actually saw Mosconi play was amazed at his stroke. When he sent the CB into the stack, it would power its way all the way through, like it had some hidden little steam engine inside. Power draw shots, masse, force follow -- he could do it all with ease. But the thing about Mosconi was that, other than the break shot (or his trick shot exhibition), he didn't really need to do all that. He'd just control the ball so beautifully, he made it look soooo easy, you could easily think (by mistake) that he didn't have a stroke ;-)

Lou Figueroa

 

[FullTilt]

I'm not an expert on golf and don't pretend to be. I will say this. Jack Nicklaus was damn good, especially under pressure. The biggest difference I see is that golfers today hit the ball further, thanks to the new technology. Jack could chip and putt with anyone, including todays stars. He won 18 majors against loaded fields - Watson, Trevino, Miller, Palmer, Player, Casper, Irwin and many more champions. Tiger hasn't caught him yet. :wink:

There is no one that has ever breathed fresh air that could chip or putt with tiger woods not even close..Tiger hits a chip about every round where the announcers say he cant get it inside 10 feet and he gets it 3...When the heat is on he would have made Jack Nicklaus cry like a girl ...Jack would have kept saying in his tears how does he do it how does he make every putt when he has too...........

 

[FullTilt]

Considering that 100 times more men have played the game seriously, I'm surprised there are so many women today who play as well as they do. My opinion is that if they let the top ten or fifteen women (Jasmin, Yu Ram, Karen, Allison, Monica, Kelly, Ga Young, Pan and all those young guns from China) play in all the tournaments against the men, you might be singing a new tune.

Karen has already proven she can hold her own against the best men players in the Northeast. Yu Ram played a remarkable match beating Shane last year. Jasmin has done the same to a few men. In her match with Engert in 2008, she played brilliantly to win.

Pool is not about strength Donny. It is a game of touch and feel, and mental discipline. But you already know that.

Yea ok....The top 10 women can get the 7 or so PLAYING 10 ball from the top 10 men....

There are at least 100 to 150 men that will beat any woman player on the earth...

Dont compare tournament matches to reality...hell ive beat corey deuel and jeremy jones before in a tourney doesnt mean i dont need the last 5 from them...wtf jay ur losing it in my opinion do u got old timers or something

 

[jay helfert]

I think, to a man, everyone who actually saw Mosconi play was amazed at his stroke. When he sent the CB into the stack, it would power its way all the way through, like it had some hidden little steam engine inside. Power draw shots, masse, force follow -- he could do it all with ease. But the thing about Mosconi was that, other than the break shot (or his trick shot exhibition), he didn't really need to do all that. He'd just control the ball so beautifully, he made it look soooo easy, you could easily think (by mistake) that he didn't have a stroke ;-)

Lou Figueroa

Tap Tap. Every once in a while Lou and I agree. This is one of those times. :wink:
A comment overheard at one of his exhibitions after he ran something like 131 and out, "He isn't that good. He never had to make a hard shot." I wanted to say, "HELLO, his position play was brilliant, that's why."

 

[watchez]

This thread shows just how quickly people forget. Out of sight out of mind. Like when people say Kobe and Lebron are better than Michael Jordan. People forget what they watched real quickly.

I have already shown that the issue is that the ones that were around when the greats of one pocket of yesteryear played, don't have any idea about who is playing today or how they play.

You want the truth, you can't handle the truth.

 

[alstl]

Donny you're a great player and I'll always respect your opinion. In what ways does Dennis play better than Efren? Shotmaking, cueball control, safeties, kicking, etc.

Edited to add:

Keep in mind that most of the people that think nobody will be better than Efren, are the other pros that he plays against

Efren won the Derby City one pocket tournament the first five or six times he entered it. When somebody else does that then they can talk.

That's what the FBI would call a clue.

 

[senor]

apparently not? Read the incardona post just made on this site, and then read the one incardona wrote on onepocket.org and then tell me that he didn't change his mind a little. Lol!

Don't be a shadow in the dark over there Donny, contribute!

 

[senor]

Well then how about explaining the high straight pool run by mosconi on nap cloth... Get it? Anyone with a little poke stroke? Lol!

One thing I've noticed is that peoples strokes don't change. Example buddy hall. I've seen mosconis stroke and their is no way he could draw balls etc like svb. I'll tellem. I saw lassiters stroke when he was old and it seemed powerful. Another thing is this, 4 1/2 inch pockets on gold crowns play like slop buckets.

No, I don't get it. One thing I've noticed is that faster tables make everyone play a little bit better. So the advantage of being able to play shape correctly on a slow table is lost. I'm not talking about the power of someone's stroke, that poke stroke comment was just for fun. Faster tables and quick cloth lend themselves to more offense, even if the shooter is getting out of line.

 

[Ktown D]

I saw Bartram offer to play Shannon even 10 ball 2 years ago, and Shannon declined. Sorry to get off topic.

dont put my stuff in public fool.
and that grill thing is gay.

LMAO, I at least kept it in a PM...:lmao:

Shannon hasn't played since the Open but he is "supposed" to be getting a new cue this week. He will probably be ready to hit a few by Derby time. As little as he plays, I was thinking SD might need a little weight but I am sure he is too proud to play that way.

 

[ga9ball]

I saw Ervolino play many times, and Marvin Henderson too. I feel both would out maneuver Scott, to the point of frustration. So in my opinion, he would need a ball from either of these two great players.

 

[wincardona]

It's not black and white

apparently not? Read the incardona post just made on this site, and then read the one incardona wrote on onepocket.org and then tell me that he didn't change his mind a little. Lol!

I didn't change my mind, what I was trying to convey is the difficulty in making a comparison with so many intangibles that are relevant to make an intellegent decision.

Lets take a horse race for example, one horse ( Ed Kelley) runs regularly in the mud and is considered a good mudder but also can run on the fast track, where another horse (Scott Frost )never runs in the mud but has excellent times on the fast track. Now if you would take Frost and match him up against Kelley on a muddy surface, that wouldn't be a fair contest, would it?:sorry: But then again if you were to put them both on the fast track it would be more interesting, wouldn't it? We know Kelley can run well on the fast track, but Frost doesn't have a track record on the mud. Who would you bet on in the mud? and why.