How Common is Hill-Hill, let's re-flip?

TATE

TATE

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I've seen it more than once.

Two players are in a gambling race and get hill-hill. One player asks the other if they would care to restart the race, rather than play one game for the whole thing. Much of the time, they go ahead and re-flip and start a new race.

Personally, I find this a hilarious situation. I mean, don't we want excitement? Don't we have heart? I guess not! :wink:

How often have you seen this happen? Is it common in your area?

Chris
 
I've only seen it happen twice in a pool room. Both were around race to 9 or 10 sets of 9-ball for less than $250 a set. Johnnyt
 
Most of the time when I have seen it, the bet is doubled. The terminology is "rollover." No cowardice about that and the additional $$ adds to the drama!

Martin



TATE said:
I've seen it more than once.

Two players are in a gambling race and get hill-hill. One player asks the other if they would care to restart the race, rather than play one game for the whole thing. Much of the time, they go ahead and re-flip and start a new race.

Personally, I find this a hilarious situation. I mean, don't we want excitement? Don't we have heart? I guess not! :wink:

How often have you seen this happen? Is it common in your area?

Chris
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I do this. But I usually do "back up double up" which means also doubling the bet. This is if I feel I should have won the set. If I feel I got a bunch of rolls to get to hill-hill, I won't ask to back up double up. Playing pool for money isn't about excitement, its about having an edge.
 
TATE said:
I've seen it more than once.

Two players are in a gambling race and get hill-hill. One player asks the other if they would care to restart the race, rather than play one game for the whole thing. Much of the time, they go ahead and re-flip and start a new race.

Personally, I find this a hilarious situation. I mean, don't we want excitement? Don't we have heart? I guess not! :wink:

How often have you seen this happen? Is it common in your area?

Chris
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Isn't it also common when this is done to double the bet?
 
iusedtoberich said:
I do this. But I usually do "back up double up" which means also doubling the bet. This is if I feel I should have won the set. If I feel I got a bunch of rolls to get to hill-hill, I won't ask to back up double up. Playing pool for money isn't about excitement, its about having an edge.
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i say the hell with it and play 1 game for the Cash
 
jazznpool said:
Most of the time when I have seen it, the bet is doubled. The terminology is "rollover." No cowardice about that and the additional $$ adds to the drama!

Martin
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I just thought I would bring it up to see how common it is. I don't recall this being an option to discuss many years ago. I forgot sometimes the bet is doubled.

Chris
 
TATE said:
I've seen it more than once.

Two players are in a gambling race and get hill-hill. One player asks the other if they would care to restart the race, rather than play one game for the whole thing. Much of the time, they go ahead and re-flip and start a new race.

Personally, I find this a hilarious situation. I mean, don't we want excitement? Don't we have heart? I guess not! :wink:

How often have you seen this happen? Is it common in your area?

Chris
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Chris, I think this is something that is happening during matches today. When I use to hangout in a pool rooms during the 1970's I never saw anyone do this. I don't know if it is the fact that most of the big action today is among players playing on someone else's money (with backers). But, I have seen the same thing happen over the last few years when the money was high and the players were equally matched. But, I don't know if it was the backers recommendation or if the idea came from the players so it is hard to tell why they did what they from the rail. It is kinda like the first place and second place player splitting in a tournament why not just finish it, I don't know I think all the gamblers are playing poker!!!!:grin:

JIMO
 
TATE said:
I've seen it more than once.

Two players are in a gambling race and get hill-hill. One player asks the other if they would care to restart the race, rather than play one game for the whole thing. Much of the time, they go ahead and re-flip and start a new race.

Personally, I find this a hilarious situation. I mean, don't we want excitement? Don't we have heart? I guess not! :wink:

How often have you seen this happen? Is it common in your area?

Chris
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This is an old hustlers move, seen it lots of times, it is normally proposed by the person who lost the game that allowed the set to become tied. It is usually done for two reasons, first it allows a chance to double the bet and second, it eliminates the obvious adavantage the breaker of the last game holds over his opponent, no longer giving him the chance to win the set on the break itself. It is the breakers advantage to decline this offer while it is the advantage of the non-breaker to propose the offer, especially if the person making the offer was laying down on purpose just to get the bet raised in the first place.
 
I've never seen it without a doubled bet, but I guess the mindset is... we want to make sure the better player is walking home with the cash, and it turns out this race may have been too short to determine who's better.

In that case they should have stipulated "must win by 2" or played an ahead set or something.
 
I know 4-5 people who do that, it drives me crazy, I always tell them no unless they double the bet. I mean that is the point right to play hill hill for the cheese and see who holds it together. I want to test me self. I always think that people who do that are scared to lose there money. Another way I avoid that is play race to 7 win by 2. or something similar. I like that much better.
 
TATE said:
I've seen it more than once.

Two players are in a gambling race and get hill-hill. One player asks the other if they would care to restart the race, rather than play one game for the whole thing. Much of the time, they go ahead and re-flip and start a new race.

Personally, I find this a hilarious situation. I mean, don't we want excitement? Don't we have heart? I guess not! :wink:

How often have you seen this happen? Is it common in your area?

Chris
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i only do that if the player i'm playing is a weaker player and kept it close because of good rolls. i figure to win the next set by more than 1 game i'll roll it over.

if i'm playing a equal or stronger player i'll play it out. or if the guy i'm playing looks real eager to reflip i'll play it out

some people tighten up case game and if i get the feeling they'll tighten up i'll usually try to play it out
 
Running it back gives both players the chance at 2 sets worth of money vs only one player. Ive never seen a problem with it, especially if you are playing multiple sets with that opponent. If you are only going to play the 2 sets, its a little weird, cause I wouldnt want my opposition having the chance at double stakes when the best he should be playing for is even.
Chuck
 
TATE said:
I've seen it more than once.

Two players are in a gambling race and get hill-hill. One player asks the other if they would care to restart the race, rather than play one game for the whole thing. Much of the time, they go ahead and re-flip and start a new race.

Personally, I find this a hilarious situation. I mean, don't we want excitement? Don't we have heart? I guess not! :wink:

How often have you seen this happen? Is it common in your area?

Chris
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This used to happen alot at Hard Times Billiards. No one seemed to want to play one game for the cash. I tried to get players to match up with the stipulation of having to win by 2 games, which is how some Hill Hill races are finished. I have seen many arguments over this situation.
 
onepocket1 said:
This used to happen alot at Hard Times Billiards. No one seemed to want to play one game for the cash. I tried to get players to match up with the stipulation of having to win by 2 games, which is how some Hill Hill races are finished. I have seen many arguments over this situation.
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there's no reason to argue. i know a few guys that don't like to play out the hill hill game. if anyone has a problem with it all you have to do is remind them that the agreement was a race to (put number here) and nothing else. either they play it out or forfeit

that is if it's that big a deal to you
 
we always said "back it and jack it"

if its 8-8 going to 9 for 500....its back to 0-0 for $1000

never had a problem doing this...especially in 9 ball on say a bar box...jesus ANYTHING can happen in that game lol
 
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