You're correct. I was first told in April it was on its way. Not actually mailed until one month later. Another slip of the tongue I guess. :wink:
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You're correct. I was first told in April it was on its way. Not actually mailed until one month later. Another slip of the tongue I guess. :wink:
Really Dave. I guess I should check with you first, since it was only five months I had been waiting! As for your contempt and disdain statement, perhaps you should read my first post again. I stated the facts as I knew them at the time, merely showing disappointment at what had transpired. Please don't insert my emotions into the subsequent negativity expressed by Mike. If you look back at this thread you will see very few responses by me of any kind to Mike's rambling and often incoherent remarks. I didn't feel the need to stoop to that level. Perhaps your reading comprehension skills need a tune up.
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Really Dave. I guess I should check with you first, since it was only five months I had been waiting! As for your contempt and disdain statement, perhaps you should read my first post again. I stated the facts as I knew them at the time, merely showing disappointment at what had transpired. Please don't insert my emotions into the subsequent negativity expressed by Mike. If you look back at this thread you will see very few responses by me of any kind to Mike's rambling and often incoherent remarks. I didn't feel the need to stoop to that level. Perhaps your reading comprehension skills need a tune up.
Jay... the little guy rolling on the floor laughing means I was bustin' your balls, brother... all in fun... no ill will intended.
You obviously handled the situation perfectly. I would have done the same thing.
Cheers, brother. :thumbup:
Jesus....... I just found and read this entire thread.
With AZB, who needs daytime soaps.
Just incredible.........
With AZB, who needs daytime soaps.
Just incredible.........
Well, it seems in regard to the missing package both guys were telling the truth. The shipper shipped it and the customer didn't receive it. But as I recall only one person called the other a liar.
I certainly don't want to deal with anyone who won't make good and call me a liar when as the customer I don't receive the product AND wasn't supplied a tracking number on request.
Lesson learned should be to the shipper. It would have been simple to just ship replacement DVD's at a cost of a couple of bucks, especially after the recipient requests tracking info and you won't or can't provide it. Obviously Jay would have informed him when the original package finally found its way to him. Instead, for the umpteenth time in only months this seller simply refused to make it right to his customers or even be at all cooperative during the process. Given the previous fiasco and the extended wait I think Jay exhibited a lot of patience frankly.
I certainly don't want to deal with anyone who won't make good and call me a liar when as the customer I don't receive the product AND wasn't supplied a tracking number on request.
Lesson learned should be to the shipper. It would have been simple to just ship replacement DVD's at a cost of a couple of bucks, especially after the recipient requests tracking info and you won't or can't provide it. Obviously Jay would have informed him when the original package finally found its way to him. Instead, for the umpteenth time in only months this seller simply refused to make it right to his customers or even be at all cooperative during the process. Given the previous fiasco and the extended wait I think Jay exhibited a lot of patience frankly.
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The main point being. Jay and Mike agreed to a deal.
Once the video was shot, Mike reneged on the deal and basically claimed intellectual rights on the videos and tried to put the blocks to Jay for the money.
Not once in any of Mike's posts did he address the original deal that Jay made with him.
I would be very wary of any purchases with Mike in the future as he has now twice shown his true colors to the members of AZ.
Id this the type of guy that you want to do business with in the future?
Sad but true.
Once the video was shot, Mike reneged on the deal and basically claimed intellectual rights on the videos and tried to put the blocks to Jay for the money.
Not once in any of Mike's posts did he address the original deal that Jay made with him.
I would be very wary of any purchases with Mike in the future as he has now twice shown his true colors to the members of AZ.
Id this the type of guy that you want to do business with in the future?
Sad but true.
Wow... I told you so. I told you they were mailed when I told you I was mailing them. I told you exactly when they were mailed when we agreed upon how I was going to author them I got them made and sent them with other orders.
Correction it's $190 including the Bad Blood PLUS another $160 for the replacement sent I mailed you today.
It would be very appreciated if you apologized and I am sorry as well that the entire situation transpired in a negative fashion.
Correction it's $190 including the Bad Blood PLUS another $160 for the replacement sent I mailed you today.
It would be very appreciated if you apologized and I am sorry as well that the entire situation transpired in a negative fashion.
.......I followed this thread from the start, and after all is said and done, he bumps the price and is going to charge for a replacement that he didn't plan on sending in the first place????
Please tell me that I went retarded somewhere while reading this thread and this isnt what is really happening.
I'm not a business man, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say this isn't a good PR move.
Sometimes it's not worth it. Moving on.....
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Your not understanding the situation. He pays for the replacements too why would you not? Like giving him 10 dvds FREE? Unless he would like to send them back to me which would b ok as well. He owes for another DVD set as well thats why plus $30. But anyways I can't make want to buy anything but I would appreciate it and you will get some rare stuff.
Well iam glad it turned out like it did,(after we hear tv.mikes side)so tv. mike is not as bad as some people thought,good for 1 good for all! NOW that the truth is out let a dieing thread die.
I never asked for the Bad Blood DVD, and certainly didn't offer to pay for it. You sent that on your own. Look, the only one who screwed up here is you. and the only one who reneged on our original agreement is you. I'd suggest you take a different tone with me now and offer me a sincere apology for all the grief you've caused me and an explanation why you decided that I owed you hundreds of dollars anyway. It doesn't feel so good when the shoe is on the other foot, does it. Now it's me who has the cards.
Right now I don't feel like I owe you anything. You've done your best to screw me over from start to finish on this entire deal. I may be be a little slow in making any further payments to you. How does five months sound? I first have to look at the DVD's to see what the quality is like. Maybe they aren't worth a dime. After all I've heard about you and your work they may be junk and totally unsalable. I'll get back with you later. I'm going to be busy with other projects for the next few days (or weeks). Maybe this sounds familiar too. I remember how busy you were all of a sudden after DCC and had no time to make copies for me. That's when you changed the deal and offered to send me DVD's for $8 each, after I told you that I can make them for $3-5 apiece. You decided that I needed to pay you in advance! I guess you remember that too. This is the day when the chickens come home to roost for you.
Mike, our original deal was that you would send me a single copy of each DVD, one of each player who finishes in the top four of the One Pocket Challenge. I would then make copies and sell them, with you getting a $5 royalty per DVD. That was all well and good with you then. But after DCC you decided that you would sell these DVD's on your own and cut me out of the loop. That's when you renegotiated our original deal and decided that I needed to first pay you $200 for your expenses and $8 per DVD that only you would make for me. You had me over a barrel then, because you knew that I wanted the DVD's of the four highest runs.
Mike at best you are dishonest and at worst you are a thief. So you better take a more contrite tone starting right now. What you sent me was 10 DVD's of each player in plain paper sleeves. For $5 each here, I could get them in a plastic sleeve with a nice label. So I'm out an extra $3 for an inferior product already. I will have to make a deduction for that. As far as your royalty that you wanted paid in advance, we wil have to once again renegotiate on that. I think $5 is a little high, maybe $2.50 is more fair. And I've already sent you $360 for 40 DVD's, that's $9 each. So maybe you owe me $40. As for your Bad Blood DVD, I will treat that as a gift, since I never asked for it anyway. By the way, the Bad Blood is in a nice plastic sleeve with a very attractive label. To bad you didn't see fit to do that for me, and the One Pocket DVD's that you charged me $8 each.
One more thing, I want a royalty on all the One Pocket Challenge DVD's you've sold so far. How does $5 each sound? Remember I'm the one who put this event together, along with Greg Sullivan. You only wanted to come in and stream it and put it on your website for people to see. At least that was what you told me in January. Let me know how many you've sold and you can paypal me a payment. I'll have to trust your honesty here. You are trustworthy aren't you?
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wow. wow, wow. You got some big balls. And I don't mean that in a good way.
Lou Figueroa
wow
How about Jay just sends those replacements back to you and doesn't pay anything? Why would you auto-stick him for that and not offer him to just send it back?
???????? WHAAA?
I just bought a pack of DVDs at Staples for like $15. You should GIVE him those replacements for free for the headache. It sounds like you're making your money problems his problem --- and it shows.
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Mike, how about Jay keeps the replacements for nothing considering that
you sold some of the original DVDs, and Jay didn't receive a proper cut on those.
I hope those chickens don't poop all over your living room.
you sold some of the original DVDs, and Jay didn't receive a proper cut on those.
I hope those chickens don't poop all over your living room.
I'm thinking back to a line from Lucky Number Slevin that seems appropriate here ..great movie BTW for those who haven't seen it.
To quote Sir Ben Kingsley's character the Rabbi, "My father used to say, the first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle."
Nothing personal TVMike, but It's painfully obvious that business is not your forte..
Can someone pass the popcorn please?
To quote Sir Ben Kingsley's character the Rabbi, "My father used to say, the first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle."
Nothing personal TVMike, but It's painfully obvious that business is not your forte..
Can someone pass the popcorn please?
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Could have all been avoided had you sent Jay the Fck'n tracking number!
Jay has absolutely NOTHING to apologize for...... GET OVER YOURSELF.
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