African American pool pros

Can anyone name some? Why are there not more?

Simple reason, they choose not to play the game. You can ask the same thing about hockey. How many non-whites are there in hockey? Not enough role models, environment is different, take a pick. I want to know why there are not many short jewish men in pro basketball.

Or about women in tech fields. Or men in health care that are not doctors.

World works in funny ways.
 
My buddy Tim Thompson told me many stories about Andy Hudson, who mentored him.

As far as great black players, there have been many. The list must begin with James Evans, considered by none other than Greenleaf the best player he competed against. They often played money games in Evan's Harlem poolroom.

Then we have the strange case of Cisero Murphy, arguably one of the best 14.1 player of his era (the 60's and 70's). He was for the most part kept out of major competitions until he was in his late 30's. Otherwise he may have won quite a bit more. He was the equal of Balsis, Lassiter, Butera and an older Irving Crane during his peak years. Of the young guns of that era, including Rempe, Hopkins and Varner, only Mizerak was a favorite over Cisero.

Another not so widely known black player was Javenly "Youngblood" Washington from Chicago. Mentioned often by Freddie, he is considered one of the best players from the 60's thru the 80's. He traveled little and not much is known about who he did or did not beat, but around Chicago his exploits are legendary. Maybe Freddie can tell us more about this brilliant but troubled player.

And let's not forget Bugs, who many consider one of the two best Bank Pool players ever (Eddie Taylor the other). He was also a top One Pocket player. Right alongside Bugs was Cannonball, who played all games exceptionally well. Part of his myth is that he used to go to the Straight Pool Championships of the 50's and 60's and challenge anyone there to a money game. ANY GAME!

The modern era has blessed us with the considerable talents of Cliff Joyner, ever to labor in the shadow of all time great Efren. And before Cliff, Gabby could play high speed 9-Ball with anyone. Cecil Tugwell was another all around monster until an "accident" ended his right handed playing career. He returned a few years later playing left handed, but never was quite the same.

In Los Angeles alone there were at least a dozen excellent black players in the 60's and 70's who were not widely known. A few were Rags Woods, Iceman, California Shorty, Black Nate, Texas Shorty, Rush Out Red, Texas Youngblood and Lotsapoppa. These guys were serious players, capable of beating any white champion out there. I suspect there were similar contingents in other cities.

Ike Runnels is another high profile player today, and I also suspect there are other lesser known players laboring away in poolrooms across America. Willie Munson could play a little too. My apologies for not mentioning Billy Palmer, one of the best players on the West Coast.
Jay, who was the little guy with a limp at the old Hollywood Billiards. He was probably about 60 back then, everyone called him Shorty. He was really skinny. He was always on that first table trying to get a game of straight pool. You know who I mean?
 
Yes, Tommy Kramer was a white man! I added his name just to see if anyone remembered him. Yes, he was an "obnoxious drunk", but a pretty phenomenal player as well. I played him about 40 years ago, and was fortunate to lose only a few bucks. Any stories about him? I have a few.
 
My buddy Tim Thompson told me many stories about Andy Hudson, who mentored him.

As far as great black players, there have been many. The list must begin with James Evans, considered by none other than Greenleaf the best player he competed against. They often played money games in Evan's Harlem poolroom.

Then we have the strange case of Cisero Murphy, arguably one of the best 14.1 player of his era (the 60's and 70's). He was for the most part kept out of major competitions until he was in his late 30's. Otherwise he may have won quite a bit more. He was the equal of Balsis, Lassiter, Butera and an older Irving Crane during his peak years. Of the young guns of that era, including Rempe, Hopkins and Varner, only Mizerak was a favorite over Cisero.

Another not so widely known black player was Javenly "Youngblood" Washington from Chicago. Mentioned often by Freddie, he is considered one of the best players from the 60's thru the 80's. He traveled little and not much is known about who he did or did not beat, but around Chicago his exploits are legendary. Maybe Freddie can tell us more about this brilliant but troubled player.

And let's not forget Bugs, who many consider one of the two best Bank Pool players ever (Eddie Taylor the other). He was also a top One Pocket player. Right alongside Bugs was Cannonball, who played all games exceptionally well. Part of his myth is that he used to go to the Straight Pool Championships of the 50's and 60's and challenge anyone there to a money game. ANY GAME!

The modern era has blessed us with the considerable talents of Cliff Joyner, ever to labor in the shadow of all time great Efren. And before Cliff, Gabby could play high speed 9-Ball with anyone. Cecil Tugwell was another all around monster until an "accident" ended his right handed playing career. He returned a few years later playing left handed, but never was quite the same.

In Los Angeles alone there were at least a dozen excellent black players in the 60's and 70's who were not widely known. A few were Rags Woods, Iceman, California Shorty, Black Nate, Texas Shorty, Rush Out Red, Texas Youngblood and Lotsapoppa. These guys were serious players, capable of beating any white champion out there. I suspect there were similar contingents in other cities.

Ike Runnels is another high profile player today, and I also suspect there are other lesser known players laboring away in poolrooms across America. Willie Munson could play a little too. My apologies for not mentioning Billy Palmer, one of the best players on the West Coast.

I remember Lotsapoppa,I had the misfortune of playing him some bar table one pocket about 10 years ago.He was a great player and could woof at others better than anybody I've ever seen!
 
We used to have a short little black guy here in Cincinnati named Johnny "Curly" McGrueder. He played all games pretty sporty. He played banks a ball under Gary or Donny Anderson, but it took a really good player to beat him. He

was always soft spoken and respectful but carried a straight razor and wouldn't take any shit off anyone. There was a guy who used to live here in Cincinnati who was wealthy and a big blow hard. He's since moved to Vegas and

thinks he's a poker player. I don't think he as wealthy as he used to be :grin:. He was on TV once on a poker show and pretty much made an ass of himself. He was also on "Pawn Stars" trying to sell a quilt with a bunch of

autographs stitched over for $50K! LOL Before he left for Vegas, he was at Michaels Pool Room here in Cincinnati. Curly asked the blow hard to loan him $20 and the blow hard got real nasty with him. Curly was dying of cancer at

the time and the blow hard was probably 30 years his junior. The blow hard went into a tirade that included a few "N" words and old Curly grabbed a house cue and swung it like a baseball bat knocking all of the blow hards teeth

out. I heard about it second hand but I'd have bought a ticket to see that! RIP Curly!
 
I remember Lotsapoppa,I had the misfortune of playing him some bar table one pocket about 10 years ago.He was a great player and could woof at others better than anybody I've ever seen!

I liked "Lotsapoppa" but he picked his spots pretty well when it came to woofing. Running with Gary, I didn't hear to much of it! ;) Gary spotted him a couple of balls playing one-pocket once and won some "bacon & egg" money. He was careful not to get too deep in a bad game but he was a good guy!
 
We used to have a short little black guy here in Cincinnati named Johnny "Curly" McGrueder. He played all games pretty sporty. He played banks a ball under Gary or Donny Anderson, but it took a really good player to beat him. He

was always soft spoken and respectful but carried a straight razor and wouldn't take any shit off anyone. There was a guy who used to live here in Cincinnati who was wealthy and a big blow hard. He's since moved to Vegas and

thinks he's a poker player. I don't think he as wealthy as he used to be :grin:. He was on TV once on a poker show and pretty much made an ass of himself. He was also on "Pawn Stars" trying to sell a quilt with a bunch of

autographs stitched over for $50K! LOL Before he left for Vegas, he was at Michaels Pool Room here in Cincinnati. Curly asked the blow hard to loan him $20 and the blow hard got real nasty with him. Curly was dying of cancer at

the time and the blow hard was probably 30 years his junior. The blow hard went into a tirade that included a few "N" words and old Curly grabbed a house cue and swung it like a baseball bat knocking all of the blow hards teeth

out. I heard about it second hand but I'd have bought a ticket to see that! RIP Curly!

I remember that guy, I played him once after you sold your room to Kent, Way to go Curly,
 
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Does anyone remember "Jackie Robinson" who played in the DC area? Not his real name, which I don't remember. ...?

I knew him, not well but I did see him around pretty regularly. He was likely in his mid 60s when this took place and not sure I saw him play anything serious.
 
I knew him, not well but I did see him around pretty regularly. He was likely in his mid 60s when this took place and not sure I saw him play anything serious.

Are you kidding me, BB? You don't really know who that is? He's well known in the pool circuits in D.C. Ask Kid Dynomite.

ETA: You may run into him and his dad this weekend.
 
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Good Guy

Ain't no way Lotsapoppa could be called a "good guy".
 

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Are you kidding me, BB? You don't really know who that is? He's well known in the pool circuits in D.C. Ask Kid Dynomite.

ETA: You may run into him and his dad this weekend.

I know/ knew him...?:confused: Like I said, seen him around lots. Never saw any talent though...sure wasn't tryin to play him any 1p either!
 
What about?

I confess I did not read all of the posts on this thread. so maybe someone threw him out there already. But what about Eddie Brown? (for all you azer's out there) I think he is moving furniture these days in Phx. He was around back in the 80-early 90's not sure his true speed but seemed to be a pretty solid road player. (maybe Jay could chime in on this)
also there was a fellow out of San Francisco I believe named Andrew (don't know the last name) Big diamond rings (think he had an alternate source of income ;) ) that played pretty sporty.

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Cecil Tugwell
Cliff Spotmaster Joyner
Melvin Strawberry Brooks
Leonard Bugs Rucker
Chicago Paul Jones
Ike Runnels
Richmond Shorty
Ron BusDriver williams
Mark Tadd
Cisero Murphy
Jaffar "Patch Eye"
Pittsburg Jerry
Lotsapappa
Youngblood
Cannonball Chapman
Rags Woods
Bo Didley
John Henry
Piggy Bank
California - DC Black Nate
Marvin Henderson
Edgar White

these are in no order in regard to ability or game type .... these are simply names of "Pro Level" and i use that term loosely players in other words these players did or could have played tournament level pool at one time against 100 out of 200 Professionals at a given time. I, by no means want to make in-accurate statements in other words I will not say ,.... "Mark Tadd could give Corey Deuel the 7 ball at one time"
Many of these players participated in "action" games where "StrictEarl" gave the "Raspberry" the 7 ball and won thousands but when they changed to OnePocket "Raspberry" gave "StrictEarl" 8 to 7 and won all the money back and a little extra.

All of these players are Pros ... honorable mentions were left out because they are too many to count.
African American term was left out because I feel non-white suits better but then Rodney Morris and Efren Reyes would have to be included and that would change the entire topic.
Four on my list i never had the opportunity to see play (Sadly)
 
I confess I did not read all of the posts on this thread. so maybe someone threw him out there already. But what about Eddie Brown? (for all you azer's out there) I think he is moving furniture these days in Phx. He was around back in the 80-early 90's not sure his true speed but seemed to be a pretty solid road player. (maybe Jay could chime in on this)
also there was a fellow out of San Francisco I believe named Andrew (don't know the last name) Big diamond rings (think he had an alternate source of income ;) ) that played pretty sporty.

Imagemker

Only Eddie Brown I know is Down town Eddie Brown from New Orleans...might be same guy...He been around a long time since early 80's...still gambles a lil...Last time we got in the pit I staked Gary abood gainst him for $300 a game 1 pocket & we win $3900 in bout 18 hrs
 
good post!

Cecil Tugwell
Cliff Spotmaster Joyner
Melvin Strawberry Brooks
Leonard Bugs Rucker
Chicago Paul Jones
Ike Runnels
Richmond Shorty
Ron BusDriver williams
Mark Tadd
Cisero Murphy
Jaffar "Patch Eye"
Pittsburg Jerry
Lotsapappa
Youngblood
Cannonball Chapman
Rags Woods
Bo Didley
John Henry
Piggy Bank
California - DC Black Nate
Marvin Henderson
Edgar White

these are in no order in regard to ability or game type .... these are simply names of "Pro Level" and i use that term loosely players in other words these players did or could have played tournament level pool at one time against 100 out of 200 Professionals at a given time. I, by no means want to make in-accurate statements in other words I will not say ,.... "Mark Tadd could give Corey Deuel the 7 ball at one time"
Many of these players participated in "action" games where "StrictEarl" gave the "Raspberry" the 7 ball and won thousands but when they changed to OnePocket "Raspberry" gave "StrictEarl" 8 to 7 and won all the money back and a little extra.

All of these players are Pros ... honorable mentions were left out because they are too many to count.
African American term was left out because I feel non-white suits better but then Rodney Morris and Efren Reyes would have to be included and that would change the entire topic.
Four on my list i never had the opportunity to see play (Sadly)



Good post, interesting handle.

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Black Player

Can anyone name some? Why are there not more?

Grew up in Chicago, there were a ton of balck players, mostly banks players. They would never play tournys cause they didnt want to deal with the race bulls$%t. they didnt want trophies, they wanted cash. most were strictly money guys. not interested in a tourny with 10 matches to get the money. Never seemed to want fame , just enough to live another day
 
Only Eddie Brown I know is Down town Eddie Brown from New Orleans...might be same guy...He been around a long time since early 80's...still gambles a lil...Last time we got in the pit I staked Gary abood gainst him for $300 a game 1 pocket & we win $3900 in bout 18 hrs

There are TWO Eddie Browns that play pool and both of them will deny that they are the one you are thinking about. :D
 
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