itsfroze...It's called SARCASM...and DogsPlayingPool understands it perfectly. You might want to bone up on it.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Not A World Straight Pool Championship
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Civil war, again
TO MARK:
Yes, it is about CW, and that's why this topic comes up. If it were you holding it (and why don't you Mr i care about pool) and choose to call it that, I am willing to bet that no one would of made a big stink about it.
GIVE ME MONEY:
That to me is what this has come down tooooo. Because if the people who have some power or rub shoulders with does who do then it's not hard to say "Hey, this guy is for the most part a good guy how works hard "and plays", puts on good tourneys and is keeping an american past time alive, despite the decline in interest for the sport and that game over the past few year. How about if we work something out with him to may his ongoing respected 14-1 tournament sanctioned, after all, it's for the sake of pool".
BUT NO! This will never happen, for no one shall create ANYTHING that has to do with the betterment of pool, no as long as I am KING.
So in closing. If a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP winner wants to play in a tournament that does not "officially" count as a "what ever people want to call it" tournament and knows so, then who the hell cares, no one is twisting their arms to go, and that person goes down as a champion to the world.
So Mr Charlie Williams, If you some how get hold of this please change the name. It is not a World Tournament or World Championship, Okay. It's the God Dame.
72nd WORLD BEATER TOURNAMENT:clapping:
TO MARK:
Yes, it is about CW, and that's why this topic comes up. If it were you holding it (and why don't you Mr i care about pool) and choose to call it that, I am willing to bet that no one would of made a big stink about it.
GIVE ME MONEY:
That to me is what this has come down tooooo. Because if the people who have some power or rub shoulders with does who do then it's not hard to say "Hey, this guy is for the most part a good guy how works hard "and plays", puts on good tourneys and is keeping an american past time alive, despite the decline in interest for the sport and that game over the past few year. How about if we work something out with him to may his ongoing respected 14-1 tournament sanctioned, after all, it's for the sake of pool".
BUT NO! This will never happen, for no one shall create ANYTHING that has to do with the betterment of pool, no as long as I am KING.
So in closing. If a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP winner wants to play in a tournament that does not "officially" count as a "what ever people want to call it" tournament and knows so, then who the hell cares, no one is twisting their arms to go, and that person goes down as a champion to the world.
So Mr Charlie Williams, If you some how get hold of this please change the name. It is not a World Tournament or World Championship, Okay. It's the God Dame.
72nd WORLD BEATER TOURNAMENT:clapping:
correction, it's the 7th hosted by Williams and the "for argument sake" 72nd of it's kind. You don't see them changing the name of America every time we change Presidents do you.
Anyone can form a sanctioning body to produce a World Champion, they get their authority by having others side with them. Personally I don't care if it has the WPA's blessing or not and I don't care what they call the tournament.
I do care about a great tournament being held that attracts the top 14.1 talent in the world.
You will obviously think you are right in what you say but the winner won't be a WPA World Champion. Oh well they can be a IDGAF World Champion or pick the letters you prefer.
Some people do not care. You are free to think what you like.
I am going to play some pool
Enjoy the holiday.
I understand your point, just making one of my own - that this event could quite possibly be considered more important than an actual sanctioned WC, if one is held. Yes, CW is a little footloose and fancy free with the hyperbole, and perhaps 72nd it is not. On the other hand at least he backed off with using the word "championship" after the word "world".
But really isn't it just a industry-wide phenomenon to some extent? I mean BB's US Open is only that because he owns the trademark to call it that. Same goes for other events. It's not like it is sanctioned as such by some recognized organization like the US Open Golf tournament is run by the USGA.
But there are potential issues with CW's misleading labels. For example, it could be argued I guess, that potential promoters of a WPA sanctioned event might be a little shy to step up if they believe CW's event will hurt the recognition of an actual WC sanctioned event. But again, that is probably more related to CW's use of the word World in his title. But he is not calling it a world championship.
He can't call it the US Open 14.1 Championship because I suppose someone else already owns that name. Don't know for sure but I would imagine CW would jump on that name if it was available. Anyway, how does that tournament currently stack up against this one?
I think this whole thing touches on part of the problem with pro pool in the US and the lack of a recognized sanctioning body. What would a governing body in the US call it's major championships? All the good names are already taken.
I guess because most enthusiasts recognize that this event is the biggest straight pool event of the year (certainly in the US) they are inclined not to get so wrapped up in the fact that CW goes a little overboard in his promoting of it.
It's just a name. And as Shakespeare said, "What's in a name?" Frankly, considering the fact that the only people who even get wind of this event are us hardcores, is anyone really being misled? It is what it is.
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See, that's the difference -- Charlie/DP isn't engaging in revisionist history. The WPA is. Charlie/DP recognizes the legitimacy of, and embraces the accomplishments of the previous 14.1 tournament champions. He's not taking the credit for them, but rather continuing the legacy and prestige of this tournament. The WPA, on the other hand, would like nothing more than to rewrite the history books, and pretend the 14.1 tournaments and championships prior to the WPA springing into existence "didn't exist." You know, that "not invented here" thing.
-Sean
Not in regard to his HoF he isn't. I wish he'd get with his own program and start with the recognizing and embracing with that.
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Not in regard to his HoF he isn't. I wish he'd get with his own program and start with the recognizing and embracing with that.
That's true -- no argument from me there! I guess (and I can only guess) that is his/DP's way of thumbing his nose at the useless state of the BCA. Or picking up the reigns of the stagecoach where the driver (i.e. BCA) fell off. Who knows.
-Sean
sounds personal to me
For the love of god "dipsfroze", the mere fact that it's the same type of tournament should be good enough since NOOOOOOOOO one else, oh and yea that includes you and your WPA friends are or even is trying to do. If it's such a big deal to the "Patent holders of the term World anything" they why don't you guys go ahead and create a World 14-1 tournament and knock Charlie of off his horse. "What's that? you can't? oh yea, because he already establish something that the PROS keep going to KNOWING DAME WELL THAT IT DOESN'T GO IN TO THE RECORD BOOKS.
Doesn't that hold enough to shut you guys up. The people who have been attending and will continue to do so don't mind, so why on earth are you playing front man for the WPA and trying to dirty the nature of this tournament. The community is and has been happy with things the way it is, regardless of who is running it and what they call it.
There are farrrrrrrrr more things that the WPA does wrong towards the players as far a rules, equipment and other stuff, why don't you start a thread about that, instead of highlighting your obvious personal problems with a certain individual
For the love of god "dipsfroze", the mere fact that it's the same type of tournament should be good enough since NOOOOOOOOO one else, oh and yea that includes you and your WPA friends are or even is trying to do. If it's such a big deal to the "Patent holders of the term World anything" they why don't you guys go ahead and create a World 14-1 tournament and knock Charlie of off his horse. "What's that? you can't? oh yea, because he already establish something that the PROS keep going to KNOWING DAME WELL THAT IT DOESN'T GO IN TO THE RECORD BOOKS.
Doesn't that hold enough to shut you guys up. The people who have been attending and will continue to do so don't mind, so why on earth are you playing front man for the WPA and trying to dirty the nature of this tournament. The community is and has been happy with things the way it is, regardless of who is running it and what they call it.
There are farrrrrrrrr more things that the WPA does wrong towards the players as far a rules, equipment and other stuff, why don't you start a thread about that, instead of highlighting your obvious personal problems with a certain individual
And the All Japan Championship is even older; I think 2012 will be the 45th year.
I understand facts are problematic for you, but please, before you
go pointficating on who's right and who's not, put in the time to learn
a few.
But not to worry, I have a solution.
First off, NOBODY gave the WPA the "right" to sanction tournaments -
they just took it.
So I'm taking it back. The WPA is no longer allowed to sanction 14.1
tournaments, unless they get aproval from me.
Problem solved, move on.
Dale(self apointed sanctioner of sanctioniers)
This is spot on.
Unless or until someone creates a 14.1 tournament that meets the WPA criteria, this most certainly should be considered the world championship. What else is there?
Jerry Forsyth
Well-known member
Let me clear up two things:
I resigned the WPA board for health reasons. Nothing major, just not easy to fly long distances anymore.
It was the International Olympic Committee that gave the WPA the right to sanction World Tournaments. Unsanctioned events are not considered World Championships by the IOC, the WCBS and the WPA and their federations such as the EPBF and the BCA.
I resigned the WPA board for health reasons. Nothing major, just not easy to fly long distances anymore.
It was the International Olympic Committee that gave the WPA the right to sanction World Tournaments. Unsanctioned events are not considered World Championships by the IOC, the WCBS and the WPA and their federations such as the EPBF and the BCA.
What gives the IOC the right to hand out rights if they are never going to allow pool into the Olympics? I'm not challenging you, Jerry, I'm challenging the idea that the WPA or anybody else has authority over other pool entities just because they allow themselves to be strung along by the IOC. Has the IOC done anything for pool? Will they ever? Doesn't look like it to me.
Roger
Um, well, no. They are the recognized world governing body of pool. They are recognized by the IOC as such. Lots of people put in a lot of effort to achieve that recognition. The attitudes in the US are quite a bit different from the rest of the world where such recognition and organization hierarchy is important.
If there aren't any other "qualified" WPA-sanctioned world 14.1 tournaments, why wouldn't the WPA sanction the DP tournament? Isn't SOMETHING better than nothing? Why is it better to say, "NOPE-- No champion this year" than to let a promoter do his/her best to make something happen?
Since the WPA set it's new sanctioning guidelines for a world tournament......
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.
.
HAS ANY
14.1 tournament qualified? Correct me if I'm wrong--- but I don't think so.
Therefore, the WPA is NOT doing pool a favor. If no promoter can put the necessary funds together--- BIG DEAL--- LET THE PLAYERS PLAY!
Who cares about the IOC. The IOC has billiards toilet paper that they use to wipe their asses. Pool will never be in the olympics so why kiss their ass or the WPA's ass.
Whoever wins that tournament is the world 14.1 champion since the best international players are playing and there is NO other wpa-sanctioned 14.1 tournament--- so it is what it is. The players know this, which is why they continue to play in it.
There's no corporate sponsorship in pool in general and even LESS for 14.1 tournaments. The WPA is acting like they don't know this for some reason. Their mandate should be to better/further the sport--- not set pie-in-the-sky added money targets that can't be hit unless a millionaire wants to donate tons of cash because they want to see a tournament get off the ground.
If there ever comes a time when multiple "world 14.1 tournaments" pop-up, the one with the MOST added money should get the honor of the title. If none do--- to say "No champion this year" is a joke and a disgrace.
Since the WPA set it's new sanctioning guidelines for a world tournament......
.
.
.
HAS ANY
14.1 tournament qualified? Correct me if I'm wrong--- but I don't think so.
Therefore, the WPA is NOT doing pool a favor. If no promoter can put the necessary funds together--- BIG DEAL--- LET THE PLAYERS PLAY!
Who cares about the IOC. The IOC has billiards toilet paper that they use to wipe their asses. Pool will never be in the olympics so why kiss their ass or the WPA's ass.
Whoever wins that tournament is the world 14.1 champion since the best international players are playing and there is NO other wpa-sanctioned 14.1 tournament--- so it is what it is. The players know this, which is why they continue to play in it.
There's no corporate sponsorship in pool in general and even LESS for 14.1 tournaments. The WPA is acting like they don't know this for some reason. Their mandate should be to better/further the sport--- not set pie-in-the-sky added money targets that can't be hit unless a millionaire wants to donate tons of cash because they want to see a tournament get off the ground.
If there ever comes a time when multiple "world 14.1 tournaments" pop-up, the one with the MOST added money should get the honor of the title. If none do--- to say "No champion this year" is a joke and a disgrace.
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My sentiments exactly, Roger! :grin: I'd love to see pool in the Olympics, but it will likely never happen in my lifetime. 
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com