well here we are again. bash me.
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Whats this a cuemaker that stands behind his product??.
That funny coming from you. What a hypocrit. Maybe you need to take your own advice and stay out of these threads.
I understand not wanting to let something sub-par leave your shop, but he wants it back for materials. You could always take out the joint pin and butt cap, salvage some of the materials you have in it, and THEN send it back. That way somebody else will have to put their name on it if they finish the cue lol.
Turn in your skirt at the front desk. You may collect your man card there as well, you have no demerits on it.
Now....mystery of mysteries. I had a cue that buzzed in Michigan. I have been living in Florida for more than three years now. The cue does not buzz in Florida.
Maybe the other party will decide to take of the skirt as well. Obviously it didn't get him anything, you are not returning the cue because of his girly police and lawyer threats. I guess we'll see. But the remainder of this may just be between the two of you.
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When we have ourselves invested in something that we consider personal, it's not always that easy.
Not everybody will agree on what one person considers 'right'. You made your case and it wasn't what was acceptable to the other party involved. You did much better than Don Sherman. Green to you for putting yourself out there and having to make a choice that you disagreed with. We all do things that we don't want to, an unfortunate side-affect of being an adult. :thumbup:
And of being a businessman.
Incase you haven't figure it out yet, all that was ever required for you to "make it right" and avoid this whole mess was to send the buyer his cue.
Please explain how creating a thread to throw a tantrum and then cutting and pasting his e-mails to you (that only served to further prove that all he wanted was his cue) could have ever "made it right"?
Better yet, for the sake of what's left of your reputation, please don't respond. If you do choose to respond, it should be something like "You know what guys, after I took some time to cool down, I regret creating this thread and in the future, I certainly intend to put much more thought into my actions before I do something like this again that damages my reputation so badly."
Trent-
See the above post. Read it carefully. Accept it as fact. Then, when you're sitting at your keyboard thinking about your next immature response to justify your immature, foolish actions here, think about Mike's post and then turn off the computer and save yourself from further scrutiny at your own doing.
Congratulations!!! It took you awhile but I think in a few days you will glad you did this.
BTW. It doesn't make me happy cause I don't have a log in this fire. You started the thread to get responses,,and everyone said to send it back. lmao
I was half expecting to come here and see the cue cut up into pieces.
Using someone else's material is the problem here.This would have never happened if not for that.
Doing the right thing is worth something. I'll give you a thumbs up for that.
bullshit manifesto
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Early civilization bullshit
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The slinging of Bullos Shiti
When one stands a slings bullshit 360 degrees around themselfs.
Of course the hard part is to not slip and fall on your on your own bullshit .
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The only know cure for bullshit-itis is a complete and total loss of ones pride. Other then that you are just bullshitting yourself.
sincerly Bullos Shiti
Bullshit (Greek: Bullos Shiti),
Since bullshit can be produced verbally, it costs nothing to manufacture and can be generated (potentially) in vast quantities. However, bullshit is costly because it derives its value as a medium of exchange. It is divisible, fungible, has a near-constant exchange rate, and readily lends itself to a wide array of industrial and commercial uses. Thus, bullshit is the most widely traded commodity in existence.
Bullshit comes from authorized bullshitters - or from bullshitters who pretend to be authorized - who can produce as much as they deem necessary. Excessive bullshit can result in inflation; too much bullshit will begin to decline in value, and the producer loses credibility. Thus all producers must distribute their currency prudently, lest the weight of their bullshit cause its value to plummet.
Early civilization bullshit
As these monkeys evolved into early humans, the art of bullshitting evolved with them. An important development in this evolution was the rise of the first governments. Whenever a king or an emperor came to power, his rule was absolute. He could order his subjects and create laws according to his whims. One common way of reinforcing this sense of importance was by paying with bullshit. A despot could walk up to a merchant, take anything he wanted from his shop, and sarcastically pay for the looting with a fresh pile from the royal stables rather than a bag of gold coins. Over time this pattern of leaders "bullshitting" their way through life became ingrained in the popular consciousness.
Some people cannot recognize their own bullshit, so they do not realize it can be exchanged. Without an economic model for bullshit use they cannot form a moral responce to there own bullshit.
The future of bullshit is as limitless as human imagination and as boundless as human stupidity. As long as there are enough clever bullshitters in the world, and enough gullible idiots to accept their currency, then BS will always have value. This is possible because bullshit parallels the spread of human language. Wherever any form of communication is possible, whether it be face-to-face, televised, on the Internet, or in some form that we can't possibly imagine, there will always be a place for bullshit to thrive. You can count on it.
The slinging of Bullos Shiti
When one stands a slings bullshit 360 degrees around themselfs.
Of course the hard part is to not slip and fall on your on your own bullshit .
This is known as swiming in your own bullshit.
The only know cure for bullshit-itis is a complete and total loss of ones pride. Other then that you are just bullshitting yourself.
sincerly Bullos Shiti
It is his wood dude, and you are in effect destroying his property if you go cutting the cue up now and sending him back pieces, he did NOT send you small pieces of that wood, he sent you full sized pieces capable of being made into a cue, you screwed up the manufacture of the cue with his property, and now you are claiming you are going to destroy his wood and send him back fragments?
Plus, you offered him burl? That is not burl he sent you, he clearly liked the wood he sent you and wanted a cue made out of that, burl is not a appropriate replacement. If you wanted to send him like wood back you would need to go out and buy some highly figured KOA from a cue maker or a sho that sells highly figured woods. Not some extra burl you have lying around that you are willing to pawn off on him.
Sending him back pieces of wood that are no longer capable of being made into a cue is not making anything right, he sent dowels that were capable of being formed into a cue, what you are sending him back is not comparable in the slightest to what he sent you.
You are in the wrong here. Do the wrong thing is this and you are going to pay for it and the last laugh after court will certainly not be yours.
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Another cue maker to avoid. Clearly.
Like sand through the hourglass...
What I don't understand is why this thread was ever posted in the first place. Why not just cut up the cue and send it back like you said you were going to? Was this post a way to get the opinions of your peers without asking for them? Or just a way to make a dramatic exit from cuemaking? Why the drama?
What I don't understand is why this thread was ever posted in the first place. Why not just cut up the cue and send it back like you said you were going to? Was this post a way to get the opinions of your peers without asking for them? Or just a way to make a dramatic exit from cuemaking? Why the drama?
Especially, when they self-implode before our eyes.
That is what you don't get, you finally DID make it right by sending the guy back the cue as he requested and paid in full for after hearing about the issue.
The fact you are oblivious to what your correct move was in this, even after you made it is very sad. Get out of anything that puts you into any form of customer service, seriously.
In all of life (and adulthood), it is generally best to not let one's actions be dictated by others. You are essentially saying that *his* bad behavior is compelling you to act differently than you would have had he been nice.
The right thing to do is the right thing to do, regardless of the behavior of the other guy. Don't let his bad demeanor compel you to do the wrong thing...you are giving him power over you that way. Just do what is right...his behavior has ZERO influence on that.
KMRUNOUT
Im friends with Trent. Im glad he changed his mind and is sending the cue back. I understand where he is coming from and i see Larrys side too. In my opinion Larry freaked out too soon. There was no need to threaten legal action or to call the cops. Im not saying never, but just not that soon. I think that caused Trent to react how he did. Like one poster said, Trent was emotionally involved in the cue. I know the feeling. I hate working on a cue, taking months to taper it, getting finished or close to finished and then finding a lift at the joint, or a buzz in the a joint. Its heartbreaking, and as painful as it is, sometimes trashing the cue is the only option. Im not saying that was what Trent should have done, im just saying it happens. Im glad this is gonna be settled properly. You know what really bothers me though, is the guys who come in these threads and start calling people dousch bags, and other names, and acting like its the damn school yard, then they turn around and tell a guy to grow up. Or how about the guys who cant even turn on a lathe, yet they are cue repair experts and know that it will be an "easy fix." Like they have been doing it for years, lol. Talk about irony. Lol.
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You know what bothers most people is when some guy posts a "Get a load of this a-hole customer" thread that is (in reality) a "Look at me, I have no customer service ability" thread. When it takes 10 people to steer Trent in the right direction, his friend jumps in to say how retarded we all are and how we shouldn't even chirp (in a thread that was designed to chirp on his behalf --- that just so happens to have gone south).
I applaud you for sticking up for your friend and you're right -- I can't turn on a lathe. That said, most of us are tired of reading the same old crap with a lot of cue makers. If I was in that customer's position, I'd be pissed too. To have a NICE piece of wood like that get sent back to me in pieces because your friend F'd it up is unconscionable.
This is another lesson of: the customer is always right. Tell the customer the situation and ask the customer how he wants to handle it and DO IT. When you dictate to the client what YOU want to do ---- that's where shit goes south.
Actually, the most ironic part of this is that Trent brought this all on himself.
Another irony is that the basic premises involved here are not dependent on any specialized knowledge beyond knowing the difference between right and wrong.
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