Should the TAR table stay as is or go to standard pockets? You choose.

What size pockets should be on the TAR Table?

  • Keep the 4 1/8" pockets.

    Votes: 236 46.5%
  • Switch to standard Diamond 4 1/2" pockets.

    Votes: 271 53.5%

  • Total voters
    507
I don't know how we've had so much argument when the answer is completely obvious.
Just randomly make 3 pockets tight and the other 3 loose. Problem solved, everybody's happy.
 
I don't know how we've had so much argument when the answer is completely obvious.
Just randomly make 3 pockets tight and the other 3 loose. Problem solved, everybody's happy.

Hey there you go something new to add to Bonus Ball. Home team gets the looser pockets! ;)
 
I don't know how we've had so much argument when the answer is completely obvious.
Just randomly make 3 pockets tight and the other 3 loose. Problem solved, everybody's happy.

My friend had a great idea. We make a set of rails with all six pockets completely different. One is a 4" pocket called the "Dominguez" one is a seven inch called the "Valley" and there will be a snooker pocket that when ever a player shoots into it the commentators have to use a British accent and snooker terminology: "Bloody hell Cotton he has to deep screw this one"

Just waiting on Glen to get here and start working on it.
 
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I attempted to send an e-mail but was unable too could you please forward the text below... thanks,

Originally Posted by JCIN View Post
Please send any complaints for the decision to mark@alaskaisthegreatestohlooksquirrel.com

4.125 vs 4.5

I understand this horrible, ill-conceived, reprehensible, moronic, without merit, ill timed, and flat out stupid idea of changing the TAR table (TAR table NOT normal tournament table which I can see being played on 24/7 by top pros thanks to “the inter-web”) was yours!

I for one am not amused,

Sincerely,

Mr. Al A. Skan

PS. Looking forward to the next podcast and TAR 31 :grin-square:
 
I attempted to send an e-mail but was unable too could you please forward the text below... thanks,



4.125 vs 4.5

I understand this horrible, ill-conceived, reprehensible, moronic, without merit, ill timed, and flat out stupid idea of changing the TAR table (TAR table NOT normal tournament table which I can see being played on 24/7 by top pros thanks to “the inter-web”) was yours!

I for one am not amused,

Sincerely,

Mr. Al A. Skan

PS. Looking forward to the next podcast and TAR 31 :grin-square:


maybe u fail to type mail correctly:
mark@alaskaisthegreatestohlooksquirt.com :eek:
 
My friend had a great idea. We make a set of rails with all six pockets completely different. One is a 4" pocket called the "Dominguez" one is a seven inch called the "Valley" and there will be a snooker pocket that when ever a player shoots into it the commentators have to use a British accent and snooker terminology: "Bloody hell Cotton he has to deep screw this one"

Just waiting on Glen to get here and start working on it.

Not even for a FREE seat at the next 10 TAR matches....LOL
 
I feel that the tighter pockets take away much of the ability for players to get up and bridge a five or six game gap by catching a gear. It seriously limits the possibility that a guy could make a mistake at 20-20 and never shoot again or that a guy leading 22-19 could make a mistake and lose the set.

Tell Alex that after day 1 and day 2 of his last match with SVB on those 4 1/8th inch pockets. Alex was leading huge on both os those days and SVB did his 6+ rack packages right at the end of the first two days to end up ahead.

Anyhow, good luck with the change man...
 
The polls were almost dead even, lots of people on here said 4 and 1/4 pockets would be perfect. Going to 4 1/2 inch pocket does nothing for me personally. They will run out nearly every open table which can be a bit boring and a snooze fest, at least on the tighter pockets it keeps you on the edge of your seat wondering if they will actually get out or not. The races will also go by faster too.
 
In snooker the pros play on 12ft tight pocket tables and can run out 30 balls plus.

You would think that pool pros could run 10 balls on a 10ft tight pocket table.
And if not they need to change their game a bit and adjust to the new tighter pocket table and get used to it.

I would like to see a slower cloth and less bouncy rails as well.
 
In snooker the pros play on 12ft tight pocket tables and can run out 30 balls plus.

You would think that pool pros could run 10 balls on a 10ft tight pocket table.
And if not they need to change their game a bit and adjust to the new tighter pocket table and get used to it.

I would like to see a slower cloth and less bouncy rails as well.

Heck, in the SVB vs Orcullo match Orcullo never shot a single safety and did not miss a single shot in this table that is "too tough", he ran out every single time he stepped up to the table, and he LOST that set because SVB simply broke too well and put out too many packages.

Players have often played VERY well on the TAR table. Bustamente, Alex, Archer, SVB, they have all shown dominance on that table and shot the lights out. One weak match from a guy who lost to Hatch snd was probably under huge pressure to redeem himself, too much pressure, and thats it, lets go back to kiddie pool!
 
Heck, in the SVB vs Orcullo match Orcullo never shot a single safety and did not miss a single shot in this table that is "too tough", he ran out every single time he stepped up to the table, and he LOST that set because SVB simply broke too well and put out too many packages.

8 ball tho, right?
 
Tell Alex that after day 1 and day 2 of his last match with SVB on those 4 1/8th inch pockets. Alex was leading huge on both os those days and SVB did his 6+ rack packages right at the end of the first two days to end up ahead.

Anyhow, good luck with the change man...

It's not the same table man. Pockets are the same size... but lil different properties.
 
I like it how pool played on a standard Diamond pro table is now kiddie pool. If Mosconi were alive today, I would hope that he would have the decency to admit that his run of 526 was BS and nothing special, as it was not performed on a 9' or 10' table with 4" pockets. I would also hope that SVB is not too proud of his kiddie pool 2012 US Open 9 ball win. What a weak "achievement"! In fact, I would hope that the winners of almost all tourneys for the past 100 years would just own up to how piss poor they really play! Seriously, they played on buckets!!!!!!
 
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If you look closer you'll see a little difference in pocket angle openings.
Firs one is more parallel and rattles less :yes:
 
Good comparitive pic's Peter.

I had to look like 4 times before I could (I think, lol) see the difference. Apparently just a seemingly infinitesimal difference makes a big difference.


KK9 <-- rummaging thru his toolbox for his calipers
 
I like it how pool played on a standard Diamond pro table is now kiddie pool. If Mosconi were alive today, I would hope that he would have the decency to admit that his run of 526 was BS and nothing special, as it was not performed on a 9' or 10' table with 4" pockets. I would also hope that SVB is not too proud of his kiddie pool 2012 US Open 9 ball win. What a weak "achievement"! In fact, I would hope that the winners of almost all tourneys for the past 100 years would just own up to how piss poor they really play! Seriously, they played on buckets!!!!!!

Not quite 100 years... I believe sometime in the 40's the switch to 9 ft tables was made. Prior to that championship pool (14.1 mostly) was played on a 10 ft table.

My thought is that TAR has always had something special in some way --- First was "big money" match ups that you could actually watch vs hearing about through the grapevine.

Second, the race to 100.. this was a test of endurance both mentally and physically. Add to that some serious betting and well you have something special...

When the backers dried up and long race proved to be not as marketable (viewing times were really long stretching into the early morning hours in many time zones)... races were shortened up and more of a pay to play with bonus money on the line for a win was established. So how was it special -- the equipment and environment. Similar match ups occurred outside of TAR (Busti and SVB played 10 ball either at DCC or Tunica, I would have to check the tape)(SVB and Dennis O. played at the 10 ball US Open)...

Tight table, private studio. (2 men enter, 1 man leaves :smile:, sort of thing)

So far this year I can watch from home Turning Stone for free (4.5 in pockets, did SVB play Mike D. there?... last years match is still out on uTube can see them play today on 4.5 in. pockets).. I will be watching DCC ALL WEEK ... 4.5 in pockets PLUS SOME 10 ft action! This will be on via several distributors both PPV and free.

Just a few months ago I was at the US Open... If you like watching A LOT of break and runs... it was great...

In a few months I will be able to watch the US Open 10-ball, 1 pckt and 8-ball all on 4.5 in pockets... Thanks CSI....

So for TAR ... Which I REALLY ENJOY... my question is what is so special now? The BIG Bets are gone, the table is the same as anywhere else.... The races are still longer, spread over several days and the studio is private.. is that enough to set itself apart from all the other options I have both PPV, free and previously recorded?

I am not sure... I do know I really enjoyed seeing the best in the world being tested under very difficult conditions and will miss it.
 
Good comparitive pic's Peter.

I had to look like 4 times before I could (I think, lol) see the difference. Apparently just a seemingly infinitesimal difference makes a big difference.


KK9 <-- rummaging thru his toolbox for his calipers

Trust me... even a small difference in that area (specially if pockets are small with deep shelf) makes HUGE diff. how pocket would play.
 
I like it how pool played on a standard Diamond pro table is now kiddie pool. If Mosconi were alive today, I would hope that he would have the decency to admit that his run of 526 was BS and nothing special, as it was not performed on a 9' or 10' table with 4" pockets. I would also hope that SVB is not too proud of his kiddie pool 2012 US Open 9 ball win. What a weak "achievement"! In fact, I would hope that the winners of almost all tourneys for the past 100 years would just own up to how piss poor they really play! Seriously, they played on buckets!!!!!!

Great post!
 

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