JA vs MD push out after the break match.

It's also a different game than what's played. Some people play one handed jack up, but it's not the norm.

Tell Johnny, Mike will play 10ball with the option to push after the break. If Johnny wants to push, he can push LMAO.
Push after the break is pretty standard. I will let him know here in a few. Hey at least he didn't say Bonus Ball lol. :)
 
Johnny and I have talked about this very thing at the Mosconi Cup. It would be a much better way to play rotation games. The break in this day and age is 70% of the game and that means they're playing "7Ball" after the break (with the one ball close to the corner).

If you have a mandatory "Roll Out" after the break it means you have to "wrestle" for the first shot and that brings out the real skill in the game. imo

We talked about this a lot last week in the "derby city rack mechanics" thread and I believe it's a VERY IMPORTANT topic. If we ever want to bring back the pure excitement and strategy of pool it needs to be more than just a "break contest".

Just play the best game 1 pocket
 
They have made golf courses more difficult in the last few years to counter technoloy

This makes sense. Johnny wants a game he knows he can't lose.

In a regular 10 ball set, JA might lose the lag and have to fade a 6 pack from MD... but that's the only way Mike can beat him.

Johnny can beat Mike in several different ways; he's just a more complete player.

I hope it's not too disrespectful to say that someone isn't quite as good as one of the legends of the game...yet.

I doubt if Johnny "knows he can't lose". I think he just likes playing the game of 9 ball and after the induction of the "soft break" and the magic rack this has tarnished the game and it's not been as challenging {as it used to be in the 90s} in his last 10 years of playing.

They have made golf courses more difficult in the last few years to counter the technology. Pool has just gotten easier and easier and easier. I'm pretty sure this is what Johnny thinks too, of course I know from talking to him so it's more than just a "guess".
 
Just play the best game 1 pocket

Someone else said that and that makes too much sense. They would rather make up absurd rules to take the break advantage out and make run outs more difficult since they are already so easy. :D
 
TV is the only issue

Just play the best game 1 pocket

In many ways one pocket it is the best game (because the break isn't a huge factor and there's much more strategy involved). Playing "Roll Out" certainly pushes 9 Ball in that direction. One pocket just can't be a great spectator game on TV is the only issue I can see. Of course there isn't any TV right now, however, that will change in the foreseeable future. imo
 
There MUST be a referee

I agree! If you can't break as well as someone else, then I would suggest you put breaking into your practice routine until you can compete with them. You don't just change the rules because a person lacks a skill that is crucial to the game.

It's not just about the break, it's about the rack too. You certainly can't allow players to rack their own balls. There MUST be a referee, and it makes only one kind of sense why there isn't one, especially on streaming video matches. There are several players that would volunteer in a second.
 
Push after the break is pretty standard. I will let him know here in a few. Hey at least he didn't say Bonus Ball lol. :)

Standard? I cannot think of one tournament where you must push out after the break. I cannot think of one gambling match where you had to push out after the break. Not really standard, bud.
 
Johnny and I have talked about this very thing at the Mosconi Cup. It would be a much better way to play rotation games. The break in this day and age is 70% of the game and that means they're playing "7Ball" after the break (with the one ball close to the corner).

If you have a mandatory "Roll Out" after the break it means you have to "wrestle" for the first shot and that brings out the real skill in the game. imo

We talked about this a lot last week in the "derby city rack mechanics" thread and I believe it's a VERY IMPORTANT topic. If we ever want to bring back the pure excitement and strategy of pool it needs to be more than just a "break contest".

I see you liked my idea eh? First shot roll out....
 
Cleary, Don't get pissy "Bud" I am sorry I din't phrase that right I mean't "Option to push after the break" is pretty standard.
 
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How about going the other direction...the breaker gets to shoot after the break, made ball or not. And leave the option to push out. Of course, you'd have to allow alternate break or it would simply be a runaway. And make the race 20 or more.

Seems to me with the mandatory first shot push out, you don't even care if you make a ball (Might even be better to safety break). My option wouldn't require you to make a ball either, but you'd see some more creative breaks. At least with my suggestion, you would get to see some ball making and probably not too much safety play...but what safety play you would see would be very good. The whole match would go much quicker too, so a race to 20 wouldn't take all night.

Just my radom thoughts while sitting here bored at work.

L8R...Ken
 
How about going the other direction...the breaker gets to shoot after the break, made ball or not. And leave the option to push out. Of course, you'd have to allow alternate break or it would simply be a runaway. And make the race 20 or more.

Seems to me with the mandatory first shot push out, you don't even care if you make a ball (Might even be better to safety break). My option wouldn't require you to make a ball either, but you'd see some more creative breaks. At least with my suggestion, you would get to see some ball making and probably not too much safety play...but what safety play you would see would be very good. The whole match would go much quicker too, so a race to 20 wouldn't take all night.

Just my radom thoughts while sitting here bored at work.

L8R...Ken


It's not a terrible idea, I've played this game before. It's alot of fun.
 
JA should want to play Mike any pool game, no matter what the rules.

If you had mandatory push out after the break, the Filipinos would never lose another tournament.
 
I would enjoy watching it!

Johnny and I have talked about this very thing at the Mosconi Cup. It would be a much better way to play rotation games. The break in this day and age is 70% of the game and that means they're playing "7Ball" after the break (with the one ball close to the corner).

If you have a mandatory "Roll Out" after the break it means you have to "wrestle" for the first shot and that brings out the real skill in the game. imo

We talked about this a lot last week in the "derby city rack mechanics" thread and I believe it's a VERY IMPORTANT topic. If we ever want to bring back the pure excitement and strategy of pool it needs to be more than just a "break contest".

I would like to see this type of game played more often. It takes true "playing" ability to survive. So, it sets apart the best all around players. A perfect break leaves the balls spread and much easier to pocket and play position.

Looking at one case: IMO...It is true that SVB has improved his "playing" ability greatly. But he still isn't at the top of the world players "playing-wise." However, when his break is on...he's able to simply out-run his opponent's ability to win more open tables. But, with an even break, he still has a stronger game than any other of the young Americans.

This type of game would benefit the Europeans and revive some players like JA, Earl, Keith, ShannonD, and Corey.

But, to me, that is the greatest attribute about pool. It is versatile. You can play different games and have different rules. IMO it only makes pool more interesting when you don't play the same game under the same rules every single tournament. Watching the best can become very boring. Especially, when the table lies are perfect and easy. Pool is similar to golf, where each course and each hole is unique. Having the game played differently is a strength of our game.
 
So I was chatting a little with Archer on the phone about the Shane Vs Mike TAR match. JA said he would love to play Mike even for as much as he wanted at either 9-Ball or 10-Ball BUT the only rule was push out after the break. I was just kinda wondering about how that would change the game. If it would be a good game, would it separate the men from the boys so to speak and who would win.
So what do you guys think of that format? I guess it would give everyone a chance at the table.

It's the great equalizer, Plus....spectators would definitely find it interesting seeing two pros right off the bat Every rack....battling for the lowest ball on the table. It will definitely cause more audience interaction.
 
JA should want to play Mike any pool game, no matter what the rules.

If you had mandatory push out after the break, the Filipinos would never lose another tournament.

I agree, they might just win forever.

For the record watching SVB run packages was enjoyable for me, was like watching a good ass whooping.
 
I agree, they might just win forever.

For the record watching SVB run packages was enjoyable for me, was like watching a good ass whooping.

I was thinking the same thing, but I would still like to see this game played. I'll watch any two great players play any game. I just watching excellent pool!

best,

Justin
 
It's also a different game than what's played. Some people play one handed jack up, but it's not the norm.

Tell Johnny, Mike will play 10ball with the option to push after the break. If Johnny wants to push, he can push LMAO.


got $100,000?
 
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