JA vs MD push out after the break match.

[bfdlad]

Jesus dude, I already told you. It's not the way he plays...

Oh, just thought I would mention. I have ZERO problem with Mike, I have only met him a couple of times and I have no problem and I really don't know what other peoples problem are with him. I think is kinda crazy to start disrespecting Justin and the conditions of the TAR studio but thats his thing. But please know This all started I guess from a JA and MD problem at some point recently. After my initial post and saw peoples reaction I was hoping to just get the match together.

 

[bfdlad]

Mark, it becomes a moving game like back pocket 9ball or last pocket 8ball etc. becomes a different strategy. Johnny is one of the best players in the country I'm very surprised he won't just play him regular 10ball but i also don't care either way. I'm not a "fan" of Mike. I have zero posters of him on my wall. All I've said in this thread is how he will or won't play. Nothing more or less and that's all that needed to be said. I'm not saying anything good about him or bad about Johnny.

Fair enough, Seemed like you were getting a little mad at me. Hey sometimes typed words don't have the same tone as they do in person. Hope all is good.

 

[Chrippa]

To bad, would have been real fun to see.
CJ,- how about you and JA do a exhibition on your table, that would be something:smile:

 

[cueporn]

JA just needs to matchup

JA just needs to matchup with Mike in a normal 10 ball match, tight pockets... with a shotclock.

Silly to call out a guy in a game you know he won't play. Make a fair game and he will oblige.

 

[railrider]

This is a funny thread because you all think that I went barking to JA. JA started this whole thing. Unfortunately there is a much bigger issue in pool besides two players playing and I spoke up about it a few weeks back. Well, lets just say He didn't like what I had to say and thats why this started.

As far as this past weekend. I know I may have said that the break was everything. Let me rephrase as Ive had a couple days to cool down. Shane played incredible. I am impressed. He barely missed a ball in two days and broke like KING KONG. I know I didn't play well at all but the reason for that is because I knew I couldn't mess up and it added a lot of pressure. But lets be honest, even if I did play my best and broke like he did, it still would have been tough to win.

I personally did not like the conditions this past weekend. I know Justin wants to build a superstar out of Shane and see packages, but the way the table is now, people are flying in for a second place check against him. With the other table it showed that he had to play well against people like JA, Busty and Orcullo with somewhat of a neutral break.

All I have to say is If you are supposedly the 2nd ranked and 2nd best player in the USA then you should be able to handle pressure. I think the truth of the matter is you are not as dedicated to practicing as Shane is.
Also you are 24 years old and think you know everything but I found out 1 thing you don't know and that is this You have yourself sitting on a higher pedestal than you belong and It doesn't matter what conditions or type of table it is played on you just don't have what it takes to beat the best players in the world and never will with the attitude you have.

 

[Island Drive]

Be very interesting watching Efren ''roll out''....multiple times.

 

[Fatboy]

Mark, it becomes a moving game like back pocket 9ball or last pocket 8ball etc. becomes a different strategy. Johnny is one of the best players in the country I'm very surprised he won't just play him regular 10ball but i also don't care either way. I'm not a "fan" of Mike. I have zero posters of him on my wall. All I've said in this thread is how he will or won't play. Nothing more or less and that's all that needed to be said. I'm not saying anything good about him or bad about Johnny.

who wins playing one hole mike or JA? serious ???

 

[watchez]

Mike I know the news gets up there late because of the snow and all but Shane has been a superstar for a minute. The conditions you played on this weekend are the same conditions as the US Open 10 Ball. The table is the same as every major pro event in the country. It was the same table as the Mosconi Cup. It is the same table you won the Ultimate 10 Ball on. Same table you won Turningstone on.

Busty and Dennis will get their shot at Shane on this table. Win or lose I bet they don't say any thing one way or another regarding the table, lights, carpet, air quality, barometric pressure or what color socks I am wearing.

Every time I hear a pro complain about Shane's break all I hear is "I'm too lazy to catch up." You dont get a consistent break on the golf course, in the mall, at the club or sitting around a poker table. If more guys spent time at the pool table instead of one of the above places we would see more guys breaking like Shane.

I wonder if the guys in Taiwan and China have this same attitude about someone being good at something ? My suspicion is they don't. Which is why they are rapidly improving.

Also whether you understand it or not YOU had more to gain this weekend than anyone. If you beat Shane in a TAR match your stock goes way up with hard core pool fans. Maybe you dont care I dont know. My point is you had an opportunity. Instead of saying "Thanks for the opportunity...and the guaranteed pay day" You come here making it sound like my whole goal in life is be Shane's publicist and that I set up the conditions to work against you. Both of which are utter bullshit.

Stay classy Mike.

This is the post of the thread.

And if you re-read Mike's post, he gives kudos to Shane for playing fantastic and then makes excuses why Shane was able to.

 

[watchez]

Mark, it becomes a moving game like back pocket 9ball or last pocket 8ball etc. becomes a different strategy. Johnny is one of the best players in the country I'm very surprised he won't just play him regular 10ball but i also don't care either way. I'm not a "fan" of Mike. I have zero posters of him on my wall. All I've said in this thread is how he will or won't play. Nothing more or less and that's all that needed to be said. I'm not saying anything good about him or bad about Johnny.

Exactly as I said, Johnny should want to play ANY game on a pool table with MD. Whether is it rotation pool, one pocket, banks, spot shots, 3 rail kicks.

 

[TATE]

I respect you offering suggestions all I ask is give me a little credit in that I might actually think about what it is I do.

Thinking about it is not getting it done. For example, you've had 31 TAR's. How many of us are on your e-mail list to notify us of upcoming events? I've bought most and have not received one that I recall, yet I know about every accu-stat event coming up.

Not trying to criticize you - I like the way you do things and believe you strive for a first class operation and have the best matches, stream and atmoshere available, but there are many opportunities that are not being exploited. This is easy money keeping customers coming back - getting the customers in the first place is the most difficult thing.

 

[real bartram]

Mark, it becomes a moving game like back pocket 9ball or last pocket 8ball etc. becomes a different strategy. Johnny is one of the best players in the country I'm very surprised he won't just play him regular 10ball but i also don't care either way. I'm not a "fan" of Mike. I have zero posters of him on my wall. All I've said in this thread is how he will or won't play. Nothing more or less and that's all that needed to be said. I'm not saying anything good about him or bad about Johnny.

If mike really wants to play archer 10 ball get a hold of me ill back archer and get a hold of archer to play.

 

[Luxury]

I think there is a big opportunity that I would hate to see squandered with Bucket Ball.

Have a keno board at the end of the table you are holding the bucket from. If you can get good bucket flinging action and bank a ball off the end rail and back onto the Keno board then you get the bonus points.

Now you know that the buckets are going to get modified.

 

[Mark Griffin]

Bill,

I have been playing with a Tennis type match up for some time - we even had another discussion the other day in the TAR studio.

I think there is a lot of merit because it allows each player to Break & Run a few racks. And it allows a player to 'break serve' etc.

I am interested in trying it out - maybe at US Bar Table??

Mark Griffin

Money adresses your last question about why NO refs. As for match play with pros, its gotta be sets like tennis.


''COLORADO EXPRESS”

Single elimination:
Five minute break between sets
Sets….best 3 out of 5….Race to 2 or3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7, TD’s choice…
Lag for who breaks first set....then alternate breaker/racker
Alternate breaker for each set
Alternate racker for each set
Do this till match ends
Use Magic Rack and break from Head Spot Only...Pro D break area.
If both players are tied at two sets apiece, tiebreaker (like tennis) in effect. Then lag for break and alternate break with first breaker breaking one rack, then opponent breaks two, and two to other opponent till the end.
Final Match race to 9….must win by 2 games or first to 11. Or some other length
Finals could be played on two tables, side by side. Have racker rack the second table immediately after first tables rack is completed to speed up breaking of second rack of breakers turn at the table.
24 second shot clock, one 24 second extension allowed per rack
Bathroom break, one per match, Not allowed during opponents inning at table, exceptions….see TD

I’m sure other small details will come up, but this could also be done in a Single Elimination format, best 3 Sets out of 5, races to 3, total number of possible games played in this situation could be 17, and would probably take less time overall than the other dbl elim format.

 

[JCIN]

Thinking about it is not getting it done. For example, you've had 31 TAR's. How many of us are on your e-mail list to notify us of upcoming events? I've bought most and have not received one that I recall, yet I know about every accu-stat event coming up.

Not trying to criticize you - I like the way you do things and believe you strive for a first class operation and have the best matches, stream and atmoshere available, but there are many opportunities that are not being exploited. This is easy money keeping customers coming back - getting the customers in the first place is the most difficult thing.

I had a long detailed response written out but in the end it doesnt make any difference.

There are all kinds of things that need to be done. As in the past they go on a list of priorities. Some will get done soon some will probably not get done at all.

Next slide.

 

[JCIN]

Bill,

I have been playing with a Tennis type match up for some time - we even had another discussion the other day in the TAR studio.

I think there is a lot of merit because it allows each player to Break & Run a few racks. And it allows a player to 'break serve' etc.

I am interested in trying it out - maybe at US Bar Table??

Mark Griffin

I would like to see the Tennis scoring/format tried. I like it in theory.

Also I was driving today and decided......

I want to do a Bucket Break demo at Reno.

You vs me. Race to seven 9 Ball. Winner breaks.

Don't worry I'll bring the bucket. We can put a CSI sticker on it.

 

[Mark Griffin]

Justin,

You can bring the bucket if you want - but you CANNOT win!

I already know the excuse you will use -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAfCQ-t7xY0

Your 'friend' -

Markg

 

[JCIN]

Justin,

You can bring the bucket if you want - but you CANNOT win!

I already know the excuse you will use -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAfCQ-t7xY0

Your 'friend' -

Markg

While I realize your bucket handling skills are no doubt superb considering that is what is known as indoor plumbing in Alaska.....alas I am not scared.

I have been taking online lessons in the art of the bucket break from its creator and original old school jedi master Derek Disco. To get your head ready for it just imagine Donny Mill's 9 ball break only with a bucket.

You are in trouble sir.

 

[Bigtruck]

Fair enough, Seemed like you were getting a little mad at me. Hey sometimes typed words don't have the same tone as they do in person. Hope all is good.

I agree with this 100%.

Preconceived notions influence how we interpret texts sometimes, huh?

Ray

 

[Ratta]

The rules had been good as they have always been. Just because some players are putting more work into the important things the *others* wanna change something.
That s just weird. No matter if we would use Magic Rack or without a *magic rack*- The better player will win in the longer race.
In my opinion the races could be longer- so the guy who makes more BnR s and making more times the final ball will win. No rocket-science needed.

just my 2 cts.

 

[markgw]

I had a long detailed response written out but in the end it doesnt make any difference.

There are all kinds of things that need to be done. As in the past they go on a list of priorities. Some will get done soon some will probably not get done at all.

Next slide.

How about if all the rules are kept the same but Shane isn't allowed to break anymore. He has to bring someone else to break for him and it has to be a female or a male over 70 years of age. Then no one has push out and confuse everyone...:grin: