This is why I don't like to play for money!!! ...
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Communication is the key and I don't mean after the set. Explain/define the rules, circumstances, and conditions prior to starting. This usually slows down if not stop even the worst of losers.
Oh, did I remind you to post, post, post!? If you don't post and don't get paid, don't go complaining about it.
Oh, did I remind you to post, post, post!? If you don't post and don't get paid, don't go complaining about it.
Yes. Clearly.
But while we're on the subject the title of the thread "This is why I don't like to play for money!!!" is one thing. Gambling is another.
You played for money. Then you complained about gambling. There was no gambling involved.
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Isn't the whole point of playing for money to quit winners rather than quitting as a loser or breaking even?
What about me, can I get the same deal?????
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Jaden
you got me, go sell one of your private jets, or space ships, or mega yachts and bring the Brinks truck, after I rob Lenny I'll fire it all at you:thumbup::thumbup:
hope your well buddy and hope to see you soon, i'm back in a month
That was what I thought.
I suppose that its good (in a way) that I can't afford to gamble playing pool, because this whole thing would drive me crazy, trying to figure out.
Good thread. Very entertaining read.
The day I win one barrel from someone and have to leave, i'm done with pool, in my mind I aint a pool player any more, i'm working the short con. There are exceptions like when my back goes out but i make that clear up front, and thinking about it more, if you got to "go to sleep" for work, you got no biz ripping someone for a set and walking out, that might be cool in poker-but this is pool and that shit dont fly in my book.
Thats what I thought too Rufus, but maybe thats why I don't gamble.
I know communication is the key. You have to tell the person, I will play you X number of sets and then I am done.
But in this game, one set for $50 was offered. I don't see the purpose of laying out your money so you have to keep playing until the other person is the winner. Like, give me the chance to win my money back.
Then, OK, I will play you just one more set. Not, 10 more until you have all my cash and you can quit winner.
On the odd chance that I will plug a video machine, if I win a 20 or more, I'm quitting winner. I know thats different but still.
I won $50, I prefer to keep it. If you weren't willing to lose it, shouldn't have asked me to play for it.
I may give you a chance to win it back on another night but not tonight.
What about all the Hustling stories you read here. Someone will play the long con. Lose on several nights to one or more players. Then, they go in for the kill. Break everyone in the house and be on your merry way. You don't hang around town and give the locals a chance to win all their money back. You and your partner hop in the vehicle and do a Hasta La Vista Baby as fast as you can.
I guess there is a difference between Hustling and Gambling then.
With a Hustle, you want to quit winner. Gambling, you have to give the person a chance to win the money back cause you are a nice guy.
Isn't that what Mars said in the Pool Hall Junkies when asked what he did for a living. Money transfer. I transfer it out of your pocket and into mine.
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no thats not how it works in pool for the last 50,60,70 years. It is expected that if you win a set you give the guy at least a chance to win his $ back. its not a 21 table where you hit and run, that's not proper ethics in pool. Get any of the old guys on 1P.org on here and ask them.
If he knew he was good for one set win or lose it is up to the guy with the time restriction to FULLY disclose that to the other guy UPFRONT, thus giving him the decision whether to play a hit and run game or not. thats proper ethics in pool-old school.
I didnt make these rules up but I been around enough action to know them inside out upside down, ask CJ, i'll defer to him the proper way to handle this.
I seen guys get popped in the face for pulling up after one set, thats a cardinal rule wf what NOT to do in pool, if you give 2 cents about your credibility as action in a room. or health in hardcore rooms(now long gone)
If I were you I would have offered to play for $50 a game. That way he either gets back to even and you can quit or you bust him and it is worth your while to be a little tired at work the next day.
I know what you're saying Eric. Even if I don't gamble, I have read enuff stories on AZ to know how it works.
You approach me to play for 5K, race to ten. I didn't ask you, you asked me.
I win your 5K. Now, I am supposed to give you the chance to walk out of the hall with the same amount as you walked in with. How do I know that the same courtesy would have been afforded to me. No guarantees on that one.
Now, I win the second set, race to ten. Am I supposed to give you another chance to win your 10K back now?
Thats not taking a chance. May as well play for beer caps then.
To Gamble is to Take a Chance on something.
You took a chance on losing your 5K and now it belongs to me.
Seems to me that the real "gamble" is to the guy who isn't playing his true speed, trying to reel in the sucker....then pulls up winner on him. Gambling that the fish doesn't quit on you before you really show how you play.
Seems like a risk that the "gambler" has to account for.
Crazy business, this pool gambling. Gotta know the rules, especially the unwritten ones.
Seems like a risk that the "gambler" has to account for.
Crazy business, this pool gambling. Gotta know the rules, especially the unwritten ones.
So...you're playing until further notice???
Thanks for all the insight guys, I'm trying to see he point of view where I gotta tell him up front how many sets were gonna have time for.
Here's the problem...
If the set had gone smoothly, and I was playing my normal speed, I would have 5-0''d him in a very short time and I would have played another set.
I was playing very non confidently, playing a lot of safes and the match drug on until late. I also was embarrassed at how I was playing, and not really having any fun. Even though I was winning, I knew I wasn't playing at my speed, and that was making me sick...so it was after e match when he asked to play another, I was not enjoying him, the match, and I also looked at my watch...Holy crap! It's 1 am...I'm done-thx for the games.
We agreed on ONE SET...is it assumed that you're playing UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE when you agree to ONE SET????????
Playing for the next days work wages was not an option, I'm not bill gates, but I make a lot more in a day than I'll ever find in this kids pocket, and for like reason, it's not the sort of job I can just be sick...if I'm sick 1 day, it would cause MAJOR MAJOR issues at work.
A week ago, I played A guy sets for 100... Won some, lost some. I walked out and handed him his 200...said same thing, thx for the games. I really enjoyed it. He didn't complain that it was late and I had to be to work early.
Only thing I can think that would have helped me is I should have played him one last game for the 50$ as suggested by many of you. Maybe that would have helped him not feel taken advantage of.
Thanks for all the insight guys, I'm trying to see he point of view where I gotta tell him up front how many sets were gonna have time for.
Here's the problem...
If the set had gone smoothly, and I was playing my normal speed, I would have 5-0''d him in a very short time and I would have played another set.
I was playing very non confidently, playing a lot of safes and the match drug on until late. I also was embarrassed at how I was playing, and not really having any fun. Even though I was winning, I knew I wasn't playing at my speed, and that was making me sick...so it was after e match when he asked to play another, I was not enjoying him, the match, and I also looked at my watch...Holy crap! It's 1 am...I'm done-thx for the games.
We agreed on ONE SET...is it assumed that you're playing UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE when you agree to ONE SET????????
Playing for the next days work wages was not an option, I'm not bill gates, but I make a lot more in a day than I'll ever find in this kids pocket, and for like reason, it's not the sort of job I can just be sick...if I'm sick 1 day, it would cause MAJOR MAJOR issues at work.
A week ago, I played A guy sets for 100... Won some, lost some. I walked out and handed him his 200...said same thing, thx for the games. I really enjoyed it. He didn't complain that it was late and I had to be to work early.
Only thing I can think that would have helped me is I should have played him one last game for the 50$ as suggested by many of you. Maybe that would have helped him not feel taken advantage of.
quit winner hundreds if not thousands of times
During most of my gambling years I also either owned my own businesses or ran crews for other people. Either way, like you, calling in sick wasn't an option. I had strep throat in the family and the doctor wanted me to come in for testing. I told him I didn't have time to have strep throat, I would have to give three months notice even to die!
I quit winner hundreds of times, maybe even low thousands. I had a few people get PO'ed, a few mouth off, never anything past that, never anybody that wasn't ready to play next time since I always toted a roll. Despite the talk, there aren't enough people around that are willing to bet decent amounts that most hard core gamblers can turn their noses up at somebody willing to play for decent dollars.
When people whined about me quitting winner I just told them that they didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting their money back and I didn't have all night to waste with them trying. I used to have to get up at three to six AM to go to work depending on the job location, usually between four and five. I packed it in between midnight and two AM most nights, by ten thirty others. A few times I made it home long enough to shower, a couple times I missed the shower, but that was my choice not something somebody else guilted me into.
Sounds like you are a citizen with a solid job and money. Every hardcore pool player will welcome you into the pool hall and jump at the chance to fire a toothpick at your lumberyard. Do whatever you please, you are in the driver's seat.
Hu
During most of my gambling years I also either owned my own businesses or ran crews for other people. Either way, like you, calling in sick wasn't an option. I had strep throat in the family and the doctor wanted me to come in for testing. I told him I didn't have time to have strep throat, I would have to give three months notice even to die!
I quit winner hundreds of times, maybe even low thousands. I had a few people get PO'ed, a few mouth off, never anything past that, never anybody that wasn't ready to play next time since I always toted a roll. Despite the talk, there aren't enough people around that are willing to bet decent amounts that most hard core gamblers can turn their noses up at somebody willing to play for decent dollars.
When people whined about me quitting winner I just told them that they didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting their money back and I didn't have all night to waste with them trying. I used to have to get up at three to six AM to go to work depending on the job location, usually between four and five. I packed it in between midnight and two AM most nights, by ten thirty others. A few times I made it home long enough to shower, a couple times I missed the shower, but that was my choice not something somebody else guilted me into.
Sounds like you are a citizen with a solid job and money. Every hardcore pool player will welcome you into the pool hall and jump at the chance to fire a toothpick at your lumberyard. Do whatever you please, you are in the driver's seat.
Hu
Silly question needs a straight answer. People will gamble at any game. My latest that I told here was bar rules 8-ball race to three. It's goofy, but I went ahead and did it because I thought I could beat the game. That's why it's gambling. And he never wanted to adjust.
Gambling is Business
Fun? You put yourself in the wrong situation right off the bat:
If your only gonna play one set, in a bar, Late at night, and its NOT your stompin' grounds...............It's just Common sense to tell your opponent Only one set because of your situation, thats called GOOD BUSINESS, GOOD COMMUNICATION, and in some situations it makes the situation much safer. Good business always lays it out before hand, to minimize or to rid of unexpected consequences. Next time develop repore first, you'll then be able to play Again.
I stopped into the pool hall tonight at like 11pm after a corporate party with the higher-ups. I'm practicing and my line of sight is off...missing everything by a hair...
I figure, no biggie, I'll come around...I always do.
A guy wants to play for money...I say sure...
8 ball? I say...
He sais , sure...race to 5 for $50...sounds good to me so we start.
We play our set, I beat him 5/3 ...and 2 of the 3 games he won were where I ran out and tanked the 8... I'm playing as bad as I can play, so I'm playing smart and controlling the table. A lot of defense.
He pays the 50.
I say I'm done...gotta work tomorrow. Nice playing. It's 1AM ...I GOTTA WORK AT 8.
This is where it goes where you think it's going...
He and his entourage peanut gallery start complaining...saying...so that's how it's done...your not gonna play anymore? , they are being assholes. I say...I gotta work...ey keep at it as I'm unscrewing my cues.
I say, really, does $50 bucks really mean that much to you? I make that every ***edited....REALLY???
He keeps flapping...so I offer to play him for a little more next Thursday, up the bet some, make it worth my while, ( Thursday is my 1 night a week to play) he sais he's only in town for like 3 days.
I explain I gotta work, he doesn't understand...I explain that people that live in Myrtle Beach aren't all like jimmy buffet. We work. I also explain to him that he probably doesn't want anymore of this, since he couldn't even give me a game and I'm dogging 8's...playing like a donkey...what happens when I wake up????????
Another set would put us into 2:30-3am ...can't do.
When is a good time to end a set...they're never happy when u gotta go cuz you have their money. So you have to play until they finally win it back????
I've never had someone hand over cash happily and not ***** that its over. I feel like throwing the measly $50 back at him and saying...fill your tank 1/2 way up.
SO FRUSTRATING...where's the fun in gambling???
Fun? You put yourself in the wrong situation right off the bat:
If your only gonna play one set, in a bar, Late at night, and its NOT your stompin' grounds...............It's just Common sense to tell your opponent Only one set because of your situation, thats called GOOD BUSINESS, GOOD COMMUNICATION, and in some situations it makes the situation much safer. Good business always lays it out before hand, to minimize or to rid of unexpected consequences. Next time develop repore first, you'll then be able to play Again.