1987 Brunswick World Open 9-Ball Quarter Finals: McCready v. Reyes

JAM said:
Are you the one that sent those to me originally? Isn't it awful that I did not write your name on the DVDs. I love those videos. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have things scattered all over the house and have not been good about keeping things orderly, I'm afraid.

I'm working on the Keith vs. Gary X-rated match. I sent a message to Pat via a third person, hoping to get a reply soon. If he gives me the green light, I'm going for it. :D

I hope YouTube allows the "F" word on videos. :eek:
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It was me. I gave them to you either at the end of the 2005 State Championship or I mailed them to you shortly there after. That match with Keith and Gary is hysterical. There are plenty of videos on youtube with cursing; no worries on that.
 
JAM thanks so much for uploading this!!

Is it me, or does Efren's cue sound like its fiberglass? It sounds just awful lol!


KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
JAM thanks so much for uploading this!!

Is it me, or does Efren's cue sound like its fiberglass? It sounds just awful lol!


KMRUNOUT
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I noticed that hit too. Sounded super stiff.

Thanks for the vid's JAM! I hadn't watched a ton of Keith's vid's, it was an excellent way to burn 1.5 hours and get behind on work. ;) :thumbup:
 
JAM said:
Efren looked so cute in this tuxedo, didn't he? And he was smoking ciggies, too. Both he and Keith were smoking ciggies tableside. :p

I sure would like to find a video of the two-shot/push-out rules in a tournament, so we could see how it's played by those who know how to play with those rules.

I do wonder what year the rules changed to today's rules in 9-ball. Does anybody know? I'll bet Jay Helfert knows. :)

BTW, I thought Steve Mizerak did an excellent job commentating. Barry Tompkins seemed a little green about pool to me, but he was okay, I guess.

The videotape I've been trying to dub that broke is of a tournament in Atlantic City, and it has Keith vs. Mike Sigel, but there's also a good match with Jimmy Reid. I'm going to pay to get that video dubbed. With the ribbon broken at the end of the reel, I'm afaid to fool with it.

From this same 1987 tournament with Efren and Keith, I have a match with Keith vs. Earl. There's a couple tense moments where Keith chirps at the table, and Earl gives him the evil eye. :grin-square:

BTW, does Earl color his hair? I thought he was a natural blond. :embarrassed2:
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Here's the deal Jam. The guys that ran the McDermott Tour (Randy Gottleicher who posts on here, Robin Adair who posts occasionally and John McChesney who has since passed away) in the early 80's came up with the Texas Express rules (they're Texans!). They incorporated some drastic changes in their rules to speed up play so matches didn't run until 4 AM. All balls stay down on a foul (huge!), Ball in Hand after one foul (also huge!) and no more spot shots (our free throw).

Richie Florence decided to use this format at his Caesars Tahoe event in 1982, against my vigorous admonitions. I was the TD and he was the promoter, so you know who won right. "The guy who has the gold (Richie) makes the rules!" I hated these changes for a major tournament (first prize was $25,000 plus a new car in 1982!), but I had to roll with it. Richie continued to use these rules at all his events and they just caught on.

Now why was this so important to Richie. His events were all televised on ESPN and they only had one hour time slots allocated for each match. Consequently the matches needed to be edited dramatically to fit the time frame. Using Texas Express rules the matches went a lot faster, thus less editing was required. That's how this all came about, the gradual phasing out of "push put" pool, being replaced by Texas Express. So these "new" rules for pool tournaments are thirty years old, the same as me! :thumbup:
 
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jay helfert said:
Here's the deal Jam. The guys that ran the McDermott Tour (Randy Gottleicher who posts on here, Robin Adair who posts occasionally and John McChesney who has since passed away) in the early 80's came up with the Texas Express rules (they're Texans!). They incorporated some drastic changes in their rules to speed up play so matches didn't run until 4 AM. All balls stay down on a foul (huge!), Ball in Hand after one foul (also huge!) and no more spot shots (our free throw).

Richie Florence decided to use this format at his Caesars Tahoe event in 1982, against my vigorous admonitions. I was the TD and he was the promoter, so you know who won right. "The guy who has the gold (Richie) makes the rules!" I hated these changes for a major tournament (first prize was $25,000 plus a new car in 1982!), but I had to roll with it. Richie continued to use these rules at all his events and they just caught on.

Now why was this so important to Richie. His events were all televised on ESPN and they only had one hour time slots allocated for each match. Consequently the matches needed to be edited dramatically to fit the time frame. Using Texas Express rules the matches went a lot faster, thus less editing was required. That's how this all came about, the gradual phasing out of "push put" pool, being replaced by Texas Express. So these "new" rules for pool tournaments are thirty years old, the same as me! :thumbup:
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Thanks for the history lesson, Jay. I had always wondered why I've heard so many people talk about the old pushout/roll out rules but I'd never seen anyone play them. I'll be 30 years old on the 27th of this month so that makes sense why. I didn't start playing until 95 and by that time they were long gone. Kind of hard to believe no one has tried to put on a tournament with the old rules as a gimmick since then though. I think it would attract some attention in the pool world for sure.
 
jay helfert said:
...Now why was this so important to Richie. His events were all televised on ESPN and they only had one hour time slots allocated for each match. Consequently the matches needed to be edited dramatically to fit the time frame. Using Texas Express rules the matches went a lot faster, thus less editing was required. That's how this all came about, the gradual phasing out of "push put" pool, being replaced by Texas Express. So these "new" rules for pool tournaments are thirty years old, the same as me! :thumbup:
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Very interesting, Jayman. It is a touch ironic that today pool does not even exist on TV in the USA.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Very interesting, Jayman. It is a touch ironic that today pool does not even exist on TV in the USA.
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It's called a "Faustian Bargain," which means that you sell your soul to the devil and you still don't get what you thought you would but now you have to go to Hell on top of it.
 
See how nice they are dressed. Thats classy.
Not sluffing around in your waddling sandals with shorts and your tee shirt hanging out.
 
jay helfert said:
Here's the deal Jam. The guys that ran the McDermott Tour (Randy Gottleicher who posts on here, Robin Adair who posts occasionally and John McChesney who has since passed away) in the early 80's came up with the Texas Express rules (they're Texans!). They incorporated some drastic changes in their rules to speed up play so matches didn't run until 4 AM. All balls stay down on a foul (huge!), Ball in Hand after one foul (also huge!) and no more spot shots (our free throw).

Richie Florence decided to use this format at his Caesars Tahoe event in 1982, against my vigorous admonitions. I was the TD and he was the promoter, so you know who won right. "The guy who has the gold (Richie) makes the rules!" I hated these changes for a major tournament (first prize was $25,000 plus a new car in 1982!), but I had to roll with it. Richie continued to use these rules at all his events and they just caught on.

Now why was this so important to Richie. His events were all televised on ESPN and they only had one hour time slots allocated for each match. Consequently the matches needed to be edited dramatically to fit the time frame. Using Texas Express rules the matches went a lot faster, thus less editing was required. That's how this all came about, the gradual phasing out of "push put" pool, being replaced by Texas Express. So these "new" rules for pool tournaments are thirty years old, the same as me! :thumbup:
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Thanks for the clarification Jay. What would do without you?

Best of rolls,

Ken
 
Thanks for that Jam--I'm gonna be sweating everthing else that's coming down the Pike

that was a great match,,and good to see both of them ,,when they were in their prime and In Dead Stroke
 
Good stuff, JAM, thanks! Those were the days, glamour and class and fine pool. Keith was great on TV, playing to the audience.
:D
 
jay helfert said:
Here's the deal Jam. The guys that ran the McDermott Tour (Randy Gottleicher who posts on here, Robin Adair who posts occasionally and John McChesney who has since passed away) in the early 80's came up with the Texas Express rules (they're Texans!). They incorporated some drastic changes in their rules to speed up play so matches didn't run until 4 AM. All balls stay down on a foul (huge!), Ball in Hand after one foul (also huge!) and no more spot shots (our free throw).

Richie Florence decided to use this format at his Caesars Tahoe event in 1982, against my vigorous admonitions. I was the TD and he was the promoter, so you know who won right. "The guy who has the gold (Richie) makes the rules!" I hated these changes for a major tournament (first prize was $25,000 plus a new car in 1982!), but I had to roll with it. Richie continued to use these rules at all his events and they just caught on.

Now why was this so important to Richie. His events were all televised on ESPN and they only had one hour time slots allocated for each match. Consequently the matches needed to be edited dramatically to fit the time frame. Using Texas Express rules the matches went a lot faster, thus less editing was required. That's how this all came about, the gradual phasing out of "push put" pool, being replaced by Texas Express. So these "new" rules for pool tournaments are thirty years old, the same as me! :thumbup:
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Thank you, Jay, for the creating the historical record. This needs to be documented somewhere for the future. Maybe it would make for a good article in one of the billiard mags. It needs to be archived.

Was Jim Rempe the one that won the car? For some reason, I recall him winning a car at one point.
 
rayjay said:
Good stuff, JAM, thanks! Those were the days, glamour and class and fine pool. Keith was great on TV, playing to the audience.
:D
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I'm glad you-all liked it as much as I do. I can't wait to get my VHS tape fixed to see what's on there. I know it has Keith, Mike Sigel, and Jimmy Reid. It may have others. It was another dress-up tournament, but this time in Atlantic City. Same era, though.

As soon as I get a chance, I'm going to take it to the video store and see if they can put the ribbon in a new case. I might get them to make the DVD for me. Then I will have ot edit out the other things on the 6-hour VHS tape that don't have anything to do with pool. LOL The guy that recorded it mixed pool with movies and tennis stuff. I am so grateful he thought enough of it to save it and then send it to me.

I can't wait to see it. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I had just fast-forwarded to see where the pool was on the VHS tape, and when it got to the end of the tape, the ribbon broke off the spool.
 
Another Classic

Jen,

Did I get you a copy of Keith and Sigel playing in the 92-93 LA Open? Match went hill-hill I believe.

Jay, I'm sure, remembers that match.
 
JMD in VA said:
Jen,

Did I get you a copy of Keith and Sigel playing in the 92-93 LA Open? Match went hill-hill I believe.

Jay, I'm sure, remembers that match.
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I do have that match, and it is a good one, but I can't find it. It's in my house somewhere.

When you live in the same house for the majority of your life, things pile up. I moved all my pool stuff out of my office and in the den, in boxes, and now I can't find a thing.

If you have it, please send me one. I'll post it up. If it is less than 2GB, you can send it to railbirdjam-at-AOL-dot-com via WeTransfer-dot-com. If it is bigger than that, I will have to send you another link. Where there's a will, there's a way, as they say! :grin-square:
 
JAM said:
I do have that match, and it is a good one, but I can't find it. It's in my house somewhere.

When you live in the same house for the majority of your life, things pile up. I moved all my pool stuff out of my office and in the den, in boxes, and now I can't find a thing.

If you have it, please send me one. I'll post it up. If it is less than 2GB, you can send it to railbirdjam-at-AOL-dot-com via WeTransfer-dot-com. If it is bigger than that, I will have to send you another link. Where there's a will, there's a way, as they say! :grin-square:
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Thanx for these videos, JAM....I've subscribed to them.
How about creating an AZ blog for these?
...I'm into 'one-stop'
 
pt109 said:
Thanx for these videos, JAM....I've subscribed to them.
How about creating an AZ blog for these?
...I'm into 'one-stop'
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I just might do that after I get a few more uploaded. I only have three so far. :embarrassed2:

I feel like I'm now on a pool mission to get more. ;)

And I will. :D
 
JAM said:
I feel like singing Freddy Fender's "Wasted Days and Wasted Nights," because ever since I learned this morning how to convert video files to then upload on YouTube, I can't stop myself. It is a time-consuming process.

This was a match that went to the double-hill, and it's a really, really good match. The video quality is not professional, but this one is a real beauty.

Both players are dressed to the nines. Each one lags for the break wearing their tuxedos. :grin-square:

The tournament took place at Caesar's Palace in Las Vegas, Nevada. Steve Mitzerak and another man named "Barry," whose voice I don't recognize, are commentating. They said Efren had just defeated Keith back in L.A. the week before at another tournament, and he had just come to the United States 3 years ago. Thjey said Efren was playing with a cuestick that cost $15. :eek:

Lot of players in the audience: Dan Louie, a very young Dennis Hatch, Johnny Archer, Buddy Hall, Billy Incardona, Grady Mathews, et cetera.

I have already converted and am uploading to YouTube now. I hope they let me post 39 minutes of it.

I can't wait to put all my pool videos on YouTube. :cool:

I'm so excited. Can you tell? :happydance::happydance::happydance:

Here's the link: 1987 Brunswick World Open 9-Ball, McCready v. Reyes
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you and thank you. BTW THANK YOU for uploading these!
 
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