Taiwan TOI

[ENGLISH!]

If someone does not know the amount of spin that are applying to the CB ball, then they have a weakness in applying spin and will adopt a style of play the doesn't require the use of spin.

If you don't have a real highly fine tuned sense of stroke speed, you will not know how much spin is being applied. Someone with a so so stroke will have this problem of not knowing how much spin is on the ball. So, they use a style of play that does not require spin instead of developing the stroke

Greg,

You seem to want to put everyone & everything down today.

You don't sound like yourself.

Sorry, but you sound like the guys that are always putting You & Ghost Ball down.

Best 2 You,
Rick

 

[CJ Wiley]

Do "Ghosts" Really Exist? If so, are they "Haunting" Your Ability to Improve Rapidly?

Greg,

You seem to want to put everyone & everything down today.

You don't sound like yourself.

Sorry, but you sound like the guys that are always putting You & Ghost Ball down.

Best 2 You,
Rick

Are you referring to the "ghost busters"?

 

[CJ Wiley]

Neglecting this essential element will show up in position play and shot-making

I'm an advocate of playing on the "inside" of the cue ball over the outside. I can play outside, but I think the "inside" is a bit more predictable and easier to stay within the "angles". Other people will play differently and prefer their methods over mine.

To each their own. You will never know what will work for you until you try it. If you try it and your method works better, then you should stick with your method.

I may as well come up with a fancy title for this type of play, so I am going to call mine,
"TOTAL INSIDE TO SUCCESSFULLY UNDERSTANDING POOL".

My system's acronym will be T.I.T.S.U.P! When your game goes "T.I.T.S.U.P", you can give me all the credit.

Whether someone chooses to go through the Touch of Inside Training or not, one thing's for sure - becoming familiar with the inside of the cue ball is vital for overall development. Neglecting this essential element will show up in position play and shot-making limitations, especially under pressure.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Maybe I don't know what you're trying to say - do you think a "touch of inside" doesn't produce inside English? If you're squirting the CB, you're spinning it, whether that's your intent or not. Spin is what creates squirt.

pj
chgo

Hi PJ,

The stroke to the CB produces inside english on the CB but with the right pace/speed (just have the deflection running for it in the line it was shot) it will contact the OB that will counter it and that will make the CB and OB take the energy of the spin by the contact of each other. Dead/heavy/floating on both sides. If you think about it in reverse, OB - contacts - CB - see it?

Regards

Chrippa

I'm sure any experienced player is familiar with using a little inside so the CB will have no side spin after OB contact. I don't consider it a special technique or think that it should be favored over center ball - I think that's bad advice.

I hope I understood you.

pj
chgo

 

[Mitchxout]

I'm sure any experienced player is familiar with using a little inside so the CB will have no side spin after OB contact. I don't consider it a special technique or think that it should be favored over center ball - I think that's bad advice.

I hope I understood you.

pj
chgo

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Different strokes for different folks.

Indeed. I'm happy for TOI users whose games have improved. I think it would be even more effective - and more widely useful - if it was more realistically presented.

pj
chgo

 

[TheLoneSilencer]

Indeed. I'm happy for TOI users whose games have improved. I think it would be even more effective - and more widely useful - if it was more realistically presented.

pj
chgo

You have a funny way of being "happy" for such players. It seems to be your mission to counter every person who believes in it.

 

[Chrippa]

What reduces the stress and over thinking is when we discover that any shot can be executed with the Touch of Inside, instead of center or outside. This immediately cuts down on the choices we have to make (I'm referring to shot making, when english is needed it can be applied as necessary), and gives us a primary (master) shot.

The positive side effect is our minds start to become aligned with what's really happening with the cue ball on each shot. Players that use outside don't usually realize that the cue ball is deflecting in towards the object ball before spinning back on the original line and center ball hitters aren't aware that some of their shots are deflecting slightly causing inconsistency.

TOI creates a situation where we FEEL the cue ball slightly over-cut the object ball every shot using SPEED, not spin. When this becomes "downloaded" into our subconscious something really cool happens, we begin to control how the cue ball reacts mentally by touch, not just by vision.

When we cue the ball to the inside and are hitting the center of the pocket we know for sure we're aligned to the inside of the pocket. (this is how I calibrate the TOI Shot)

The amount of feel and touch this creates is a positive attribute and, in my opinion, the key to great shot making.

The greatest shot makers don't have the best eye sight, they have the best "feel for the pocket"...... The TOI taught me how to develop this skill and I"m simply passing it on to those who want to discover it as well.



'The Game is My Teacher'

Fantastic description!

Chrippa

 

[Chrippa]

I'm an advocate of playing on the "inside" of the cue ball over the outside. I can play outside, but I think the "inside" is a bit more predictable and easier to stay within the "angles". Other people will play differently and prefer their methods over mine.

To each their own. You will never know what will work for you until you try it. If you try it and your method works better, then you should stick with your method.

I may as well come up with a fancy title for this type of play, so I am going to call mine,
"TOTAL INSIDE TO SUCCESSFULLY UNDERSTANDING POOL".

My system's acronym will be T.I.T.S.U.P! When your game goes "T.I.T.S.U.P", you can give me all the credit.

Chrippa

 

[LAMas]

One thing that is useful, for me, is to apply a touch of inside (TOI) while aiming the center of the shaft at the contact point on the OB for very thick cuts.

The small deflection of the CB makes it travel toward the OB a bit outside of the OB contact point that I am aiming at, and thus achieving the geometrically correct CB path for it to hit the OB contact point that sends it to the desired target/pocket.

If I employ TOI on a straight in shot, instead of center CB, with top, the CB will not follow the OB into the pocket and scratch. The CB instead veers away from the straight in line at a small angle allowing it to hit the rail and not scratch - cheating the pocket.

Again on a straight in shot, if I hit the CB center below it's equator, I can make the CB stop when it hits the OB, but if I employ TOI, the CB will travel a bit to the side instead of stopping which can be used to get shape for the next shot.

Observing what the CB does after impacting the OB with TOI, I notice that the CB reacts differently than if I use a center CB hit. This can be/is useful to get shape for the next shot.

Just saying and sharing.

 

[LAMas]

Please don't listen to people saying TOI is about fixing stoking errors, it's not. It's also NOT inside english, if you want the video I'll send it to you or get you a free PPV.

For many pool players it's a natural tendency to want to spin shots in with outside "helping" English. This technique is very useful, especially if you're trying to change the natural angle of the cue ball after contact. There's another way to do this if you want to "master a shot" so you can hit the three parts of the pocket. To do this you must become more accurate and develop a "FEEL" for the pocket. This isn't any more difficult, it just requires you to simplify your Game and reduce calculations.

There are three {main} calculations you make to be accurate using "outside English," 1st) - you must judge the immediate deflection and 2nd) - you must judge how much the spin brings the cue ball "back" to it's original "shot line". 3rd) - you must decide where to hit the cue ball to accomplish the intended shot. (these calculations are related, but not necessarily connected like they are with the TOI Technique)

You will find it's necessary to hit these shots at a variety of speeds and a variety of spins to do what you need with the cue ball. This takes a LOT of different calculations because speed effects deflection AND spin. Where you hit the cue ball and how far over to get your "outside English" also effects deflection AND spin.

Over the course of hours, you will have to make numerous calculations and instinctive judgments to make every shot as planned. With the 'Touch Of Inside' system of play I am showing you how to reduce the amount of calculations and instinctive judgments considerably.

The TOI Technique shows you how to hit one "theme" of speeds, one "theme" of spins, and one "theme" of deflection. I have played many players in my life and the only concern I had was if they would play long enough. Because, even though this edge against other accomplished players may be only 1-2%, it will show up over time.

If you're cutting a ball at a "half ball" angle down the rail to the left and using "outside" (right English") you cue ball is immediately going to deflect into the object ball slightly. To overcome undercutting it you will need to spin the cue ball to make it curve back and the spin will help cut it in. This may "FEEL" like it's helping the cut, but IS IT REALLY?

You are having to hit the speed correctly, the spin correctly, the contact point (shot line) correctly and hit the cue ball precisely to do this. I'm sure you do this very well, but how about under pressure? How do you make all these calculations playing a champion player? This is where your unconscious will start to falter and break down.

You are simply over whelming yourself with these calculations and when you add pressure? I don't know, how does it effect you, do you play better or worse? How about over the course of a 5-10 hour set, do you rely on your game to get better and better or do you have "ups and downs?" With the TOI Technique I teach players how to use (as much as possible, of course there's exceptions, and less that you may think) ONE SPEED - ONE SHOT ANGLE REFERENCE (center or edge) - ONE TIP TARGET (the "Touch" of Inside).

The one thing you guard against {using TOI} is overcutting the ball, however, if you're going to miss a shot would you rather over cut it or under cut it? I don't know about you, but when I under cut a shot I feel like a "dogged it," however, when I over cut a shot I feel like I know what I need to do to correct what I did wrong.

TOI increases consistency, which strengthens confidence and makes your Game strong, reliable, and very intimidating.

'The Game is the Teacher'

Thanks for the sincere and useful feed back.

I get it but.... words can get in the way of communication and until we achieve telepathy, they will have to do.

When you use the word 'theme', does it mean a series of interrelated elements?

On using outside English as helping. this is because it reduces CIT/gearing. Conversely, inside English promotes CIT/gearing. When gearing occurs with inside, the CB and OB ball travel together longer than with outside.

Taking your example of the "half ball" cut down the rail to the left - using inside English with the OB almost 'froze' to the rail, the CB and OB will cling to each other forcing the OB into the rail and causing the OB to separate from the rail and veer away from the rail and the intended pocket. Hopefully, the gearing imparts inside English to the OB causing it to swerve back to the pocket. I presume that applying TOI, this is less pronounced but still effective.

I have practiced this shot using TOI and after contacting the OB, the CB bounces off the rail moving forward toward the pocket to the left of the intended pocket - this can get you shape if the next OB is near the head rail...unless you scratch....speed control is a must.

If on the same shot, you want the CB to travel toward the foot rail, I use outside English and draw. Is this an instance where you wouldn't use TOI?

Thanks again.

 

[Chrippa]

The first time I saw a player float the cue ball, it cost me money. :grin: I hadn't been playing long enough to understand, but my mind told me the cue ball was doing something that didn't compute.

Some guys would try and impress me drawing the cue ball 9 rails or force follow, making the cue ball turn corners. But, the guys who barely moved the cue ball with very little spin, just didn't make sense. Learned the hard way!

Best,
Mike

A very nice way to connect to - the simple things are right in front of us, what makes it hard is all the things that is behind us, the things we are holding so firm that we don´t see the easy route to get there.


Chrippa

 

[Patrick Johnson]

You have a funny way of being "happy" for such players. It seems to be your mission to counter every person who believes in it.

Is it "countering" them to encourage critical thinking and correct the false information being sold to them? Or is it countering them to sell them false info in the first place?

pj
chgo

 

[cookie man]

Do we have a clear video of a player floating the cb ?

 

[Mitchxout]

One thing that is useful, for me, is to apply a touch of inside (TOI) while aiming the center of the shaft at the contact point on the OB for very thick cuts.

The small deflection of the CB makes it travel toward the OB a bit outside of the OB contact point that I am aiming at, and thus achieving the geometrically correct CB path for it to hit the OB contact point that sends it to the desired target/pocket.

If I employ TOI on a straight in shot, instead of center CB, with top, the CB will not follow the OB into the pocket and scratch. The CB instead veers away from the straight in line at a small angle allowing it to hit the rail and not scratch - cheating the pocket.

Again on a straight in shot, if I hit the CB center below it's equator, I can make the CB stop when it hits the OB, but if I employ TOI, the CB will travel a bit to the side instead of stopping which can be used to get shape for the next shot.

Observing what the CB does after impacting the OB with TOI, I notice that the CB reacts differently than if I use a center CB hit. This can be/is useful to get shape for the next shot.

Just saying and sharing.

I've discovered the exact same thing. On certain shots I can aim my shaft straight at the object ball.

 

[Colin Colenso]

99% of players aim thick, and undercut angled shots along or near rails, in fact most cut shots. They tend to learn they can make these shots more often with a combination of swerve and spin induced throw, using outside english.

All of a sudden, they try shifting the bridge toward a thinner cut angle and for the first time in their lives they are actually aligning near to the correct potting angle for slow roll or soft stun... albeit with a touch of IE at times.

It's like putting a brick in one's pocket to minimize a limp!

 

[duckie]

99% of players aim thick, and undercut angled shots along or near rails, in fact most cut shots. They tend to learn they can make these shots more often with a combination of swerve and spin induced throw, using outside english.

All of a sudden, they try shifting the bridge toward a thinner cut angle and for the first time in their lives they are actually aligning near to the correct potting angle for slow roll or soft stun... albeit with a touch of IE at times.

It's like putting a brick in one's pocket to minimize a limp!

Wow, impressive that you have seen all the players in the world to know how 99% percent aim this shot.

Or just maybe you are just using the standard marketing jargon?

In the world of logical reasoning, you just stated the fallacy of unknowable numbers. There is no way to know 99% players aim as stated. It's a guess in order to sound as if you are speaking from knowledge, when it's just opinion.

Just like TOI increases consistency.....opinion with no real facts to back it up.

 

[Colin Colenso]

If I employ TOI on a straight in shot, instead of center CB, with top, the CB will not follow the OB into the pocket and scratch. The CB instead veers away from the straight in line at a small angle allowing it to hit the rail and not scratch - cheating the pocket.

Again on a straight in shot, if I hit the CB center below it's equator, I can make the CB stop when it hits the OB, but if I employ TOI, the CB will travel a bit to the side instead of stopping which can be used to get shape for the next shot.

Just saying and sharing.

This is a common perception, one which I used to believe, but Bob Jewett provided some test shots that proved to me, that the idea of changing CB direction for such shots is of such little advantage, on the odd occasion it has a minimal effect as to be not worth trying.

Basically, what you gain on the OB with turn via throw is cancelled out by the reverse effect of throw on the CB in the other direction.

When top potters use a touch of english, or even swipe on such shots, it is more an aiming (reduce CIT) and kick/skid elimination method.

When I was 8, my dad would show me a warm up procedure he had, which he thought assured correct cueing. It was a straight pink off the spot, following through with the CB into the pocket. I now know, that I can make the same shot using extremes of english either side, so long as the initial alignment is straight. Nap and stun / speed offsets or the tendency to hit to edge of pocket may create the illusion that using an offset hit makes a significant difference, but watch what is going on close enough and long enough and you'll realize the side english aspect has insignificant effect.... you're better off aiming into the edge of pocket a bit with a firm shot if you want to escape the follow in or change the natural path when no rail is involved.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Wow, impressive that you have seen all the players in the world to know how 99% percent aim this shot.

Or just maybe you are just using the standard marketing jargon?

In the world of logical reasoning, you just stated the fallacy of unknowable numbers. There is no way to know 99% players aim as stated. It's a guess in order to sound as if you are speaking from knowledge, when it's just opinion.

Just like TOI increases consistency.....opinion with no real facts to back it up.

Of course it's a guess, but I have seen it so often over the last 30+ years, that I know it is a common fault.

I'd even bet that you miss such shots thick far more often than you miss them thin. Just going on the odds.

Go watch players in a pool hall for an afternoon and count the thick v thin misses... in fact, count your own for a session.

It's a well known observation. My point wasn't about exact stats.

Colin

Edit: Re-read your marketing jargon comment. That's funny! What am I marketing? Funny man / kid you are!

 

[Mitchxout]

99% of players aim thick, and undercut angled shots along or near rails, in fact most cut shots. They tend to learn they can make these shots more often with a combination of swerve and spin induced throw, using outside english.

All of a sudden, they try shifting the bridge toward a thinner cut angle and for the first time in their lives they are actually aligning near to the correct potting angle for slow roll or soft stun... albeit with a touch of IE at times.

It's like putting a brick in one's pocket to minimize a limp!

Are you saying outside, gearing english should or shouldn't be used?