Jay Helfert resigned as Tourney Director at the US Open

So did anybody there figure out how to do the chart or was it too hard to do?

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Chart is easy. You just need a bottle of this.

Lou Figueroa
 

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OR, how about Hopkins just says: The TD said no. Not playing. Thanks.

Hopkins is no pool ingenue. He's played in and run major events forever. If he doesn't know it's wrong, then who?

Lou Figueroa

Lol, why so much butt-hurt? We get it, you disapprove. You've clearly expressed your disdain. You've only posted like 57 times to illustrate your point (no, I didn't count - just a guess). I don't know what else happened to make you so upset, but, I think I can speak for several of us, or at least - and maybe - just myself, when I say you've made your point.

Do you wanna talk about your feelings? We can have a chat if you like. I feel bad, you're spending so much time commenting about your contempt for this horrendous action and your undying support for Jay and his saintly behaviors.

Really, I'll be there if you need an ear to cry on. You're undoubtedly having troubles sleeping at night over this travesty of injustice.

Maybe drink some green tea and meditate, try and get some rest. It's good for you!
 
If anyone is curious about post count :) I don't see over 50% of below posts :grin-square:

JAM 43
NYC cue dude 28
lfigueroa 28
BmoreMoney 20
SpiderWebComm 17
couldnthinkof01 14
Poolplaya9 11
JD_Hogg 11
JB Cases 11
watchez 10
Celtic 10
FranCrimi 10
JLange 10
 
Actually it's only 28.

Edited to add: D'Oh

Yeah, the rest of my quote that you snipped off says I didn't count.

It's called sarcasm, with a touch of honesty for the people that will do exactly what you did, haha -- thanks :)
 
o Moderators disagreed on whether it should be closed, and I won.

Since we are rarely privy to the inner machinations of administration decision making here, I thought this would be a most excellent time for the conspiracy theories to fly.

Why did the Jay Helfert Resigns as US Open TD Thread get Closed?

o Jay did it. He reconsidered and wants to be the US Open TD in 2016.

o JAM did it. She has powers beyond mere mortal comprehension.

o Scott Smith did it. He wanted to shut down allegations of making book at The Open, laying 3-1 the thread would stay open.

o Hopkins did it. Opened an AZ account and suddenly his computer started playing the theme from “Jaws."

o BB did it. Asked Mike to close it after he realized he didn’t have enough white out for all of AZ.

o Keith did it. He finally figured out his AZ password.

o Dave Wilson did it. Shooting shots of tequila last night he fell face first into his keyboard accidentally hitting the CLOSED button.

o JB did it. Some ask why, I say why not.

Lou Figueroa
didn't do it
 
Jr. I get your not a fan of people down talking the old man. Respectable. But he was wrong.

If he answered any of my five questions honestly he would have to admit that.

Its not a big deal to make a mistake. Ive made a millionish in my life.

Better to just own up, say your sorry you took the wrong path and be better in the future.

Barry put him in a bad spot and he made a poor judgment call. It happens.

But don't come on here all mad it makes no sense.
 
Lol, why so much butt-hurt? We get it, you disapprove. You've clearly expressed your disdain. You've only posted like 57 times to illustrate your point (no, I didn't count - just a guess). I don't know what else happened to make you so upset, but, I think I can speak for several of us, or at least - and maybe - just myself, when I say you've made your point.

Do you wanna talk about your feelings? We can have a chat if you like. I feel bad, you're spending so much time commenting about your contempt for this horrendous action and your undying support for Jay and his saintly behaviors.

Really, I'll be there if you need an ear to cry on. You're undoubtedly having troubles sleeping at night over this travesty of injustice.

Maybe drink some green tea and meditate, try and get some rest. It's good for you!

"Jay and his saintly behaviors"

Your dad made an error, he should have declined the spot, so don't get your panties in a wad, no one owes you guys anything, you have ROBBED the pool world for however long the SHITPO, I mean EXPO has been going.

Just for 1 event you take 75k in and pay the winner 5k. How much of that 75 a player goes into the prize pool? About 25, maybe 35 max, you guys wack about 50 to 65%, and have the balls to complain to everyone. You get an absurd amount from the vendors. You have cut the pro events down to peanuts, I could go on forever, but I'm sleepy.

Jay has done more for pool and players then you two could or have ever done.
 
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Jr. I get your not a fan of people down talking the old man. Respectable. But he was wrong.

If he answered any of my five questions honestly he would have to admit that.

Its not a big deal to make a mistake. Ive made a millionish in my life.

Better to just own up, say your sorry you took the wrong path and be better in the future.

Barry put him in a bad spot and he made a poor judgment call. It happens.

But don't come on here all mad it makes no sense.

Thanks for your approval and permission for me to feel the way I do - it's reassuring... I was I in a bit of a slump - but I'm feeling much better now!

And thanks for imparting your wisdom and judgment of his actions upon me. Since you state unequivocally that he was wrong, that certainly must be the end of the discussion. I'm sure your 45+ years of experience in the industry and knowledge of the game at the highest levels are certainly on par with my father's. How silly and juvenile of me to have a dissenting opinion.

And, again. I will certainly see things more clearly when he finds the time to come and answer your 5 questions. In the meantime, I'll take a stab at them myself - if you don't mind. Of course: I can't speak for my father - but, it's late and I finally have some free time - so, hopefully you'll entertain my thoughts.

Here, are your questions. Took me a minute to locate them:

Allen did say he would respond so?

1. How do you feel about the people on the waitng list you bypassed?

2. Is it ok that you or barry paid a player to take his spot?

3. You never checked the list: before leaving home, when you got there, or at the players meeting/ draw?

4. You agree with Jay yet still played, why?

5. Would you have been ok with what has transpired at the S.B.E.?

Thanks, I look forward to your side of things to get a better perspective.

So, my feeble answers based on my limited knowledge of the situation:

1. Since he was personally invited (into an event that he's played since its inception, and won twice) and promised a spot - before it was full - by the event founder and promoter (that he has known for 40 years), I don't think he was ever on a wait list. He should have been what some people would call "registered" or "enrolled". Which, incidentally, comes before people on a waiting list.

2. Well, if someone deserves a refund because they were accidentally sold a spot that had previously been reserved - that seems proper.

3. If I was a player (I'm not; this is pure conjecture) that had spoken to the promoter, whom I've known for 40 years, and have been playing in his event the majority of those years - and he personally requested that I come play for the anniversary - umm, no, I might not check the bracket online. I'd probably take his word for it. And when I arrive a few days early and find out a mistake has occurred, I'd speak to someone to get it resolved. Probably the guy that invited me, the promoter.

4. Sure, I'd agree with what the director tells me. If the promoter (the person who hired the director, and who owns the event) calls me and tells me a mistake has been made and requests that I play and says the situation has been resolved and he would really like me to participate - well, I'd take his word on it. It's his event, not mine, or the directors.

5. This would be unlikely to happen at the SBE because we have a triple-check system in place to handle such a possibility before it happens. And, in the unlikely event of some sort of accident or mix-up (they happen) - yes; ultimately someone at the highest level (the promoter) (in this case, my dad - remember, still just Jr speculating here) would make a decision based on what I (he) thought was best for the people involved and the event. Knowing, unfortunately, that you can never make everyone happy.


Hopefully this helps address your concerns. You are more than welcome to use the phone number he provided for a direct conversation if he does not reply to your forum questions in a timely manner. Please be patient; he is not much of a computer oriented person, he's devoted most of his life to playing pool, not typing.
 
so when the list was posted months ago he never inquired? sounds good.

Before he spent money to go there never called Barry or checked the list to make sure he was on there? seems legit.

When he got there and wasn't posted he thought, well I kinda own this b, I should get in anyways, I am the king around here after all? he did win twice

BB word is worth a TON! no question

Best for the people involved and the event? NICE
 
"Jay and his saintly behaviors"

Your dad made an error, he should have declined the spot, so don't get your panties in a wad, no one owes you guys anything, you have ROBBED the pool world for however long the SHITPO, I mean EXPO has been going.

Just for 1 event you take 75k in and pay the winner 5k. How much of that 75 a player goes into the prize pool? About 25, maybe 35 max, you guys wack about 50 to 65%, and have the balls to complain to everyone. You get an absurd amount from the vendors. You have cut the pro events down to peanuts, I could go on forever, but I'm sleepy.

Jay has done more for pool and players then you two could or have ever done.

I believe someone close to you is very good friends with Jay Helfert. I do understand loyalty to friendship, and I admire that. :smile:

To criticize someone for putting on an event like the Super Billiards Expo, a very successful event, I might add, by lacing it with mean-spirited words is not necessary. Of course, they are supposed to make a profit. Otherwise, why do it? Should pool industry members work for free? I guess I do not understand all the negativity towards Allen. Does there have to be sides in this?

Every large tournament I have ever been to has been problematic. Nothing runs smoothly, and there's always something that slips through the cracks. As I know you know, you cannot please everybody when it comes to a pool event.

This incident is an unfortunate circumstance. If a promoter told Keith his name was on the tournament roster, we would have no reason to double-check. We'd pack up our belongins and drive to the event. This is absurd to think that Allen should checked and double-checked before leaving New Jersey to travel to Virginia if he was promised a spot.

Allen has as much integrity in the pool industry as Jay Helfert does. There's no reason to pick sides and barbecue somebody because you don't like the fact that they make a profit in poool. Heck, if I could figure out a way to make a living in pool, I sure as heck wouldn't be up at 3 a.m. to begin my boring workday.

Take care. I hope you interpret my post in the spirit that it is meant. Enjoy the finals today. Should be a good one. :cool:
 
My arguments are not just about what allen did or did not do. Its about the us open an event that is supposed to be a pinnacle in pool. Why players cant get good sponsors. Why no on wants to add money. Why you cant get legal odds on pool tournaments because promoters and refs and players chop the darn thing up. No sponsor or anyone in their right mind would get behind this nonsense.
 
Your dad made an error, he should have declined the spot, so don't get your panties in a wad, no one owes you guys anything, you have ROBBED the pool world for however long the SHITPO, I mean EXPO has been going.

Just for 1 event you take 75k in and pay the winner 5k. How much of that 75 a player goes into the prize pool? About 25, maybe 35 max, you guys wack about 50 to 65%, and have the balls to complain to everyone. You get an absurd amount from the vendors. You have cut the pro events down to peanuts, I could go on forever, but I'm sleepy.

Jay has done more for pool and players then you two could or have ever done.

I am one of those who said that I believe Allen did the wrong thing here and should have declined to participate in the US Open once the bracket was already finalized and publicly posted and have explained why I feel that way but... I completely fail to see how what Allen makes from his event has any bearing whatsoever on the incident that this thread is about and whether or not he did the right thing here. None.

Even looked at by itself, I see no issue with Allen's big yearly event or how much money he does or doesn't make from it. To my knowledge Allen hasn't misled anyone about the costs or payouts in his event. He has charged what he said he was going to charge, and he has paid out what he said he was going to pay out. Those that think it is a good deal, become vendors, or play in the tournament. Those that don't, don't. Pretty simple really. Nobody forces anybody who doesn't think it is a good deal to participate.

Unless Allen has lied or misled about costs or payouts I see no issue. How much he makes from the event is a non issue too. Pool isn't a charity, nor can we expect people to treat it as such and work for free, or for whatever small wage we would like to see them make. Every promoter is hoping to make money with their big tournaments, and more power to them if they do manage to do ok or even make great money as long as they aren't dishonest in the process.

For those that think promoters should make nothing or just small beans all I can say is there are plenty of job openings for promoters who want to do big pool tournaments as charity and not make money from them. Have at it. It is real easy to say that it should be done as charity when you aren't the guy doing it and investing all his time and risking all his money, but the funny thing is I have yet to see a single one of the people who have said this go and do that charity themselves. And before somebody says "well I run my weekly tournament for free" that isn't what we are talking about here, we are talking about big events like Allen's where you have hundreds of hours of time invested in making it happen as well as some serious expenses and the potential for taking a big monetary loss, and not just some local or even regional event which requires substantially less time investment with few expenses and little chance of losing any money.
 
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Lol, why so much butt-hurt? We get it, you disapprove. You've clearly expressed your disdain. You've only posted like 57 times to illustrate your point (no, I didn't count - just a guess). I don't know what else happened to make you so upset, but, I think I can speak for several of us, or at least - and maybe - just myself, when I say you've made your point.

Do you wanna talk about your feelings? We can have a chat if you like. I feel bad, you're spending so much time commenting about your contempt for this horrendous action and your undying support for Jay and his saintly behaviors.

Really, I'll be there if you need an ear to cry on. You're undoubtedly having troubles sleeping at night over this travesty of injustice.

Maybe drink some green tea and meditate, try and get some rest. It's good for you!


Not butt-hurt, I've lost that lovin' feeling, no need to chat, don't what to cry on your ear, I sleep like a baby, and I don't care for green tea. I do meditate now and then and I'm fully rested.

Now, to address the issue I think you were getting at, but couldn't describe in an intelligent, adult manner: I've been on the pool discussion forums for close to 20 years now and questions of ethics and morality in pool have always interested me. I tend to gravitate to and participate in those discussions. And to me, there are several questions of ethics at the core of this little US Open kerfuffle.

Ya'll seem to have missed that at the Hopkins household, and I note that amongst all your effusive concern for my well-being you failed to address my very simple point: why didn't your father -- who has been around pool forever -- respect the TD's decision? Particularly, after he knew the tournament board had been posted.

Lou Figueroa
 
Lol, why so much butt-hurt? We get it, you disapprove. You've clearly expressed your disdain. You've only posted like 57 times to illustrate your point (no, I didn't count - just a guess). I don't know what else happened to make you so upset, but, I think I can speak for several of us, or at least - and maybe - just myself, when I say you've made your point.

Do you wanna talk about your feelings? We can have a chat if you like. I feel bad, you're spending so much time commenting about your contempt for this horrendous action and your undying support for Jay and his saintly behaviors.

Really, I'll be there if you need an ear to cry on. You're undoubtedly having troubles sleeping at night over this travesty of injustice.

Maybe drink some green tea and meditate, try and get some rest. It's good for you!

I find it interesting that this post is all about attacking Lou.

Maybe you should go into politics. It seems to be a favorite play when they know that they have very little to say.

It is quite simple.

Barry Fu@ked up.
Allen Fu@cked up.
Jay did the right thing and got away from that Zoo.

Don
 
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