I believe this record was achieved on an 8 foot table...and there is nothing wrong with that of coarse. I would like to know your opinions of who you think could break this long time record. Please list only your absolute top 5 choices...Let's keep this one on the 9 foot table for exact purposes.
Mosconi's 526 record...Who could break it???
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Mike Sigel - I still think he would be the best
player in the world if he came back.
Thomas Engert - great player and has a high run of
491.
Efren Reyes - although not a 14.1 specialist has a
great all-around knowledge of cue-sports.
John Schmidt - I've never actually seen him play
14.1 but he has a high run over 400 and if his
14.1 is better than his 9-ball game then he would
have to be a top pick.
Johnny Archer - great all-time player. He's just
so consistent and focused.
player in the world if he came back.
Thomas Engert - great player and has a high run of
491.
Efren Reyes - although not a 14.1 specialist has a
great all-around knowledge of cue-sports.
John Schmidt - I've never actually seen him play
14.1 but he has a high run over 400 and if his
14.1 is better than his 9-ball game then he would
have to be a top pick.
Johnny Archer - great all-time player. He's just
so consistent and focused.
I listed my top 5 earlier. However, if a sufficient prize was offered I beleive there are dozens of guys out there that have the potential to do it. The trick is doing it under conditions where the achievement is verified by wittnesses and documented on film.
I wish they would have an event where all the prize money went to the player who breaks the record. A large number of tables could be set up with single players. The first to do it is the winner. The problem is that might take a while and the money would have to be sufficiently large to motivate the players.
I wish they would have an event where all the prize money went to the player who breaks the record. A large number of tables could be set up with single players. The first to do it is the winner. The problem is that might take a while and the money would have to be sufficiently large to motivate the players.
There is going to be some 14.1 high run competition going on at the Derby City Classic. It is in Louisville Jan 6-14. I don't know the details but from what I hear it is going to be exciting! I'm sure more info will be coming in near future.
Mark Griffin
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526
For starters it didn't really happen and it was on a 4 by 8, whatever it was. I tried to get a company to underwrite what most of us belive is close to the all time high run, 400. They wouldn't even consider it.
I was going to insure against somebody breaking it to the tune of a million bucks. Diamond smart tables, Simonis cloth, four and a half inch pockets,etc.
I suspect that most of why no company would underwrite this had to do with the Earl 10 rack run situation. It's a lot harder to run 400 than it is to run 10 racks on easy equipment, where a pro is allowed to rack his own balls!!!!
I still may do this for say a quarter of a million dollars someday.
For starters it didn't really happen and it was on a 4 by 8, whatever it was. I tried to get a company to underwrite what most of us belive is close to the all time high run, 400. They wouldn't even consider it.
I was going to insure against somebody breaking it to the tune of a million bucks. Diamond smart tables, Simonis cloth, four and a half inch pockets,etc.
I suspect that most of why no company would underwrite this had to do with the Earl 10 rack run situation. It's a lot harder to run 400 than it is to run 10 racks on easy equipment, where a pro is allowed to rack his own balls!!!!
I still may do this for say a quarter of a million dollars someday.
Grady said:
HEAR, HEAR! TAP, TAP, TAP!
Not taking a thing away from The Pearl, but incoming breakers SHOULD NOT be allowed to rack their own balls. It is quite well known within the pool community that there are some players who are EXPERT rack-riggers. It is rumored that one top American champion is, and I quote, "the BEST in the business" at rigging racks, always said with a wink-wink and a smile!
It's the same thing as playing poker with a marked deck of cards (IMO).
JAM
The 4x8 part is in the affidavit made at the time of the run. A link to the Smithsonian's on-line copy of the affidavit is item 22 on http://www.sfbilliards.com/misc.htmjhendri2 said:
The "did not happen" part might be based on some rumors that during the run at least one ball bounced from a pocket but was considered good. You need to weigh rumor against affidavit, I suppose. It is unfortunate that no one in the crowd had a video camera.
From the RSB FAQ, and probably from the UK billiards site:Boro Nut said:
The most consecutive pocketed balls was on a snooker (billiard) table
in England in 1890. William Peall made 721 consecutive red balls at
English billiards. That particular strategy is now outlawed.
in England in 1890. William Peall made 721 consecutive red balls at
English billiards. That particular strategy is now outlawed.
On anything but tight equipment, I suspect there are twenty candidates to break Mosconi's record, which is not really the record at all. I am among many that is quite certain that Mike Eufemia ran well over 600 and more than a few have attested to Babe Cranfeld having run over 700 in practice....twice!
OldHasBeen has posted about having seen the 4 x 8 on which Mosconi's run was made, and said [the pockets were so big, that the most impressive thing is that Willie never scratched].
On loose equipment, I believe Thorsten Hohmann, whom I believe to be the premier straight pool player in the world (though Tony Robles and John Schmidt could surely both give him a serious run for his money even in a long race). Thorsten, in my view, is the best straight pooler since Sigel and could run over 1,000 on easy equipment if he really wanted to.
On 4 1/2 inch equipment, however, I feel strongly that no player alive could break Mosconi's record. The three guys I suspect would be the top candidates would by Hohmann, Sigel, and Varner, but I just can't imagine a 500 ball run on a tight 4 1/2 x 9, even from these superhuman straight poolers.
And if we're using 4 1/4 inch pockets, even 300 is pretty hard to imagine.
OldHasBeen has posted about having seen the 4 x 8 on which Mosconi's run was made, and said [the pockets were so big, that the most impressive thing is that Willie never scratched].
On loose equipment, I believe Thorsten Hohmann, whom I believe to be the premier straight pool player in the world (though Tony Robles and John Schmidt could surely both give him a serious run for his money even in a long race). Thorsten, in my view, is the best straight pooler since Sigel and could run over 1,000 on easy equipment if he really wanted to.
On 4 1/2 inch equipment, however, I feel strongly that no player alive could break Mosconi's record. The three guys I suspect would be the top candidates would by Hohmann, Sigel, and Varner, but I just can't imagine a 500 ball run on a tight 4 1/2 x 9, even from these superhuman straight poolers.
And if we're using 4 1/4 inch pockets, even 300 is pretty hard to imagine.
Championship conditions
Surfer Rod played excellent 14.1 on the bar table but that's not championship conditions nor is a 4 by 8. Practice doesn't count either. It has to be tournament, gambling or exhibition play to be recognized.
We're becoming ridiculous by mentioning some names from yesteryear. Two gentlemen that were cited couln't play anywhere except their home room and one dogged it horribly in the world championship, even though that event has always featured cavernous, I repeat, cavernous pockets.
Do you all herein know what Ervolino would have done to any of these modern players playing Straight Pool on a four inch pocketed table for big money? Or Liscotti?
I rest my case.
"The Professor"
Surfer Rod played excellent 14.1 on the bar table but that's not championship conditions nor is a 4 by 8. Practice doesn't count either. It has to be tournament, gambling or exhibition play to be recognized.
We're becoming ridiculous by mentioning some names from yesteryear. Two gentlemen that were cited couln't play anywhere except their home room and one dogged it horribly in the world championship, even though that event has always featured cavernous, I repeat, cavernous pockets.
Do you all herein know what Ervolino would have done to any of these modern players playing Straight Pool on a four inch pocketed table for big money? Or Liscotti?
I rest my case.
"The Professor"