A real creep

i was only able to watch most of the first game. grady missed some shots that surprised me as did his opponent. i not sure that either was in top form.

i think that grady should return (fully rested) and try to win his money/pride back.
 
knock.....

maybe Grady should have used the action room and tried to get a line on the guy first. actually, going back to Grady, years ago he gave a buddy of mine 9-7 and i think it was 4 ahead for 200. well my buddy was beating him and grady was complaining how these people want spots and blah blah blah. well my buddy ended up breaking down and calling it even. thats complete BS grady made the game and he should have taken it like a man.
 
What's the problem?

I don't see the problem,Grady.

First, pool cues have been disallowed as carry-ons in airplanes for several years now. When the rule was first announced, I was all set to formally complain and that same week a guy got killed by a cue and it made the news. So if that set you off, and made you grumpy, it was unreasonable on your part.

Second, a world-class, professional, celebrrity such as yourself does not "get robbed" in any poolroom; you have been around the block a few thousand times, and when you make a game you know the risk. Gambling ain't charity.

Drip those crocodile tears somewhere else. :crying:

RL
 
Fast Lenny said:
I get pleasure from winning and playing well, sometimes I play well and win and sometimes I play well and lose, sometime I play bad and win or lose. The best pleasure for me in pool and gambling/playing is both players playing a great match.
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Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs....

"Gloria Clemente"
 
BRKNRUN said:
Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs....

"Gloria Clemente"
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So in essence, we do nothing while we are doing it all ;)??? Your quoted post makes EVERYONE equal on a pool table, and if you've ever seen ME play, you gotta know that this cannot be true :o!!!

Maniac
 
BRKNRUN said:
Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs....

"Gloria Clemente"
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That's the 1st WMCJ quote I have ever seen on AZB!! Rep coming!
 
Grady said:
We played two races to three for $500. He beat me 3 to 1 and 3 to 0. My expenses were $1,000; so I was already laying 4 to 3 on the money. With the extra $1,000 I lost to the owner, if I lose it's $5,000 and if I win I only win $1,000. Nice odds, huh?
NOW if he had said, "Grady, I'm a good player. I don't think you can spot me." That would have been different.
Listen, I'm not gonna argue this on the internet. If you don't understand my position, the rightness therein, I can't be friends with you. Why wasn't my desire to not gamble and just practice honored? I certainly don't feel that I was treated like an honored guest.
If you owned a country club and Tom watson appeared and asked to play 9 holes of golf just for practice, I promise the entire staff and members would leap at the opportunity and not cheap hustle him in any manner.
He embarrassed and humiliated me and I didn't like it one bit. This episode may retire me from gambling. With guys like this it's just not fun anymore.
This is all I have to say on this matter.
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You were suckered Grady. Just face it!!!! What a crybaby you are.

I tell you what - I am going to get your tape I bought (Money Pool) and throw it in the trash can.
 
I conclude that there are more gamblers that are willing to match up with Grady now.:thumbup:
 
a few days have mellowed me.

First off I don't Know Grady personally. I don't know any
of the celebrities that I have admired over the years personally.
That may be why it was so easy to condemn him. Maybe his
thoughts on the event were truly his perception of what went
down. His worst sin was that he went public. He should have known that we would never have thought bad of him because he lost. That would have
made him closer to being one of us thus more human.

That being said, an analogy pops into my head:

Tony Soprano and his crew grew up with Pussy and loved the guy and he could do no wrong , he was above suspicion + plus he was a good earner. But he got caught by the feds doing something he was not supposed to be doing, dealing drugs, and the feds flipped him. The crew find out and agonized over what to do. They decide that no matter what their feelings they have to whack him. And do it collectively. They take him on the boat , they all shoot at once, then dump Pussy overboard to sleep with the fishes.

The big difference here is that Grady is still here. And ,frankly ,I want him back in the crew. He doesn't have to demonstrate greatness to me anymore. He's been there and done that. He effed up once and acted like a nit , publicly. My feelings have evolved to this way of thinking:

Most of us spend our pool lives acting like nits more that like players. Grady's life has been the opposite. He has spent his life acting more like a player that like a nit. By a long shot.
I think he was wrong on this event, but ,( and this does not mean doodly sheit to anybody but me, and certainly nothing to Grady),
I hope he is going to be around a long time and I would welcome him back into the family with figurative open arms.
By the way Klink , if you read this, thanks for the REDDIE. It made me reevaluate things.
 
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Who beat GRADY, JIMMY or GRADY?

GRADY, if you had played at your average or above average 2010 speed would you have booked a winner? If you had waited a day or so to decompress from travel would you have played better?

Your run at or near the top in your selected discipline lasted longer than most, it must have been a hell of a ride, and, continue to take pride in your performance at the table in addition to your myriad of other pool related accomplishments.

Ratchet down the stress you subject yourself to, focus on your health and continue to share your "story" with us.

Take care, Adam
 
lfigueroa said:
I'm going to get out of line. Not for the first time, but here goes anyway.

Grady Mathews is a living pool legend. His accomplishments and contributions to the sport are immeasurable. I guarantee you, that if you have watched any of the matches he commentated on for Accu-Stats, you probably learned something that has helped your game, won you a match, or made you some dough.

Grady is from a different era, that perhaps sadly, no longer exists in pool. And it's tough to let that go. In addition, I'm guessing the vast majority of you here know that Grady is now looking at things through a prism colored by recent events that would have brought most of us to our knees.

All of you will do and write your comments as you see fit. And that's as it should be. But, just maybe, before you post a demeaning post in this thread, no matter how deserved you think it might be, maybe you'll let it slide just this once.

Lou Figueroa
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Grady is a legend for sure, but this is far from the first time Grady has done this. Sure, we should show him some respect, but that does not give him a right to come on here and be a dick!
 
12310bch said:
First off I don't Know Grady personally. I don't know any
of the celebrities that I have admired over the years personally.
That may be why it was so easy to condemn him. Maybe his
thoughts on the event were truly his perception of what went
down. His worst sin was that he went public. He should have known that we would never have thought bad of him because he lost. That would have
made him closer to being one of us thus more human.

That being said, an analogy pops into my head:

Tony Soprano and his crew grew up with Pussy and loved the guy and he could do no wrong , he was above suspicion + plus he was a good earner. But he got caught by the feds doing something he was not supposed to be doing, dealing drugs, and the feds flipped him. The crew find out and agonized over what to do. They decide that no matter what their feelings they have to whack him. And do it collectively. They take him on the boat , they all shoot at once, then dump Pussy overboard to sleep with the fishes.

The big difference here is that Grady is still here. And ,frankly ,I want him back in the crew. He doesn't have to demonstrate greatness to me anymore. He's been there and done that. He effed up once and acted like a nit , publicly. My feelings have evolved to this way of thinking:

Most of us spend our pool lives acting like nits more that like players. Grady's life has been the opposite. He has spent his life acting more like a player that like a nit. By a long shot.
I think he was wrong on this event, but ,( and this does not mean doodly sheit to anybody but me, and certainly nothing to Grady),
I hope he is going to be around a long time and I would welcome him back into the family with figurative open arms.
By the way Klink , if you read this, thanks for the REDDIE. It made me reevaluate things.
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I would give you rep back but it won't let me.

In no way do I think Grady was in the right in his original post. I think he may have had the wrong impression of some of the people involved and may have been taken advantage of.

I just think we should respect our elders,our past champions and any other person who also shows respect for others. I acted out emotionally when I saw the way this thread unfolded and I apologize. I think there are many valid points being made. I just wish they were not done publicly.
 
mlalum said:
The worst thing about this forum is the regular justification for brutal actions due to some code of the jungle or pool culture.

No where in the civilized world would you invite an elderly gentlemen of some historic note into your house for an event that you promoted as a big time deal and allow him to be humiliated and busted in like the first couple hours he's there. (and by the owner of the house no less!)

I don't care if he's cranky and has done some questionable things in his past. He's a 67-year-old man in mediocre health. I hope your grandfather doesn't accidently walk into Kolby's some day and say the wrong thing and people happily take his money.

I know Lenny to be a fine young man with nothing but the best intentions. But he to gets caught up in this pool culture too where no matter what you do don't knock somebody's action or intervene when a brutal act is about to happen. That's just how it is. He asked for it.

To say well we didn't know how Grady plays, etc., is not valid.

There aren't five people in the State of Arizona that can play Jimmy even. Everyone at Kolby's has seen John Henderson play and knows he can't stand up to Jimmy or anywhere close now. I'm sure he could when he was young. Jimmy is an experienced, big-time gambler. Grady had no chance.

There were people in Kolbys that had the the power/ability to say to Jimmy and or Grady hey let's wait on this. You're/he's our guest. You got a big event tomorrow. You just got off the plane. Let's just hit some balls around. Jimmy you're probably way better than Grady so let's just cool it for now. In a civiliezed world that's what would have happened. Anybody running a big time event would have known to protect their guest of honor and dissuaded him from participating in a blow out.

But that's the pool culture I guess.

So it's horrible what Grady said after the fact? I guess when you get older you'll undertstand that when elderly people get humiliated in public they lash out. Actually almost everyone does whether it's justifiable or not.

If Grady comes off the road looking for action that's one thing. But if he's there as your guest you owe him some respect and responsibility.

So did Grady deserve what he got because he's some sort of bad guy? I say no. And shame on those who do.
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I agree with your observations and respect what you say. For one of the very rare times Grady was in the blind and should of been respected and treated differently for the player that he once was with the warrior heart that unfortunately he still has. With that said there comes a time when Grady should of evaluated his position and adjusted accordingly or backed up and regrouped.

I think that both the owner of Kolby's and Grady himself were at fault for obvious reasons, and at one time either one could have stopped the developing problem before it escalated. Lets call it a missunderstanding and let it go, but learn from the experience.

Bill Incardona < who respects both sides.
 
I learned all I needed to about Grady during his speech at Derby last year during the one pocket hall of fame inductions.
 
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