More ugly pool politics! Simply sickening to put Barry in this spot. Please read his press release on the AZ home page. Well said imo.
ABP/US Open - So what is the next move??
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I may be all wet in this, but the writing I see on the wall is this- Dragon Promotions (aka CW) is trying to get Barry ticked off enough to say "screw it" and stop putting on the U.S. 9 ball open. If he can do that, then he feels he is free to take over the "title" for his organization. Question is, is Barry and the rest of the pros going to allow CW to pull off his little coup?
I don't think the name would be abandoned...sold, perhaps.
That is really what proves the ABP is just hot air...no re$ource$.
IMO that's a bingo. C W is on a mission to take over pool, and will if not stopped now. Johnnyt
I've only be cognizant of the greater pool world for the past year and a half, but nothing the ABP says in their press releases has made them look very good. Leaving all these things to the 11th hour screams dirty pool (pardon the pun.)
I hope the Berhmans (sorry for the guess at the spelling) withstand the nonsense and keep putting on the US Open. I was going to buy some DVDs of this years World 14.1 but probably not now...
I hope the Berhmans (sorry for the guess at the spelling) withstand the nonsense and keep putting on the US Open. I was going to buy some DVDs of this years World 14.1 but probably not now...
Banks
Banned
Would make sense of him getting in bed with that PHI promoter that helped hamstring the 10-ball event. Now he wants to do the same thing to the US Open. The only problem is that he can't hold up the tables, just some players.
Ok BB i got you sorry my brain is slow today!!!
It means that in some countries, the NOC (National Olympic Committee) will support top athletes in any sport recognized by the IOC (International Olympic Committee). In the Netherlands, I believe the top four ranked pool players each receives a stipend of 2000 euros per month (about $2600) and has access to training facilities including a climate-controlled practice room.
The Spanish National Olympic Committee has youth billiard camps that have produced some world champions.
In order for the players to get travel money, I think most NOCs require the event to be officially sanctioned within the IOC hierarchy.
How about not seeding ABP players if they hold the line, in perpetuity.
OK, gonna risk looking dumb here, can someone explain all of this to me like I'm five?
Barry puts on the open. Charlie puts on his own tournaments and there's a scheduling conflict and nobody likes him cuz he broke into a hotel room and fondled a woman. They both put out press releases. There's something about sanctioning, but I have no idea what that's all about.
What's the gist of all this? Everyone's mad at charlie because he scheduled a tournament that conflicts with the US Open? And claimed one of pool's various 3-letter-entities gave his event some sort of formal sanction when they actually didn't?
Was there more to it? It seems like a lot of uproar over a scheduling conflict... do we know for sure it was timed to wreck the US open and there's not some more innocent explanation? And does the sanctioning stuff really matter? Are people actually mad that nobody paid money for this special formal sanction that nobody cares about?
Barry puts on the open. Charlie puts on his own tournaments and there's a scheduling conflict and nobody likes him cuz he broke into a hotel room and fondled a woman. They both put out press releases. There's something about sanctioning, but I have no idea what that's all about.
What's the gist of all this? Everyone's mad at charlie because he scheduled a tournament that conflicts with the US Open? And claimed one of pool's various 3-letter-entities gave his event some sort of formal sanction when they actually didn't?
Was there more to it? It seems like a lot of uproar over a scheduling conflict... do we know for sure it was timed to wreck the US open and there's not some more innocent explanation? And does the sanctioning stuff really matter? Are people actually mad that nobody paid money for this special formal sanction that nobody cares about?
By Barry Behrman - 2012-10-05
the press release this morning from the ABP has put us in a very difficult position that unfortunately endangers the future of the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championships. Many of the players from the 25 or more countries that attend the U.S. Open are dependent upon WPA sanctioning of our event in order to acquire the funds required to travel to the United States. If we lose the WPA sanctioning we would lose the ability to feature these great international players. I have been informed that the WPA will only accept co-sanctioning from the home federation of the country in which an event is held. The WPA does not accept co-sanctions. As accepting a sanction from the ABP would force the WPA to pull their sanction of the U.S. Open
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OK, gonna risk looking dumb here, can someone explain all of this to me like I'm five?
Barry puts on the open. Charlie puts on his own tournaments and there's a scheduling conflict and nobody likes him cuz he broke into a hotel room and fondled a woman. They both put out press releases. There's something about sanctioning, but I have no idea what that's all about.
What's the gist of all this? Everyone's mad at charlie because he scheduled a tournament that conflicts with the US Open? And claimed one of pool's various 3-letter-entities gave his event some sort of formal sanction when they actually didn't?
Was there more to it? It seems like a lot of uproar over a scheduling conflict... do we know for sure it was timed to wreck the US open and there's not some more innocent explanation? And does the sanctioning stuff really matter? Are people actually mad that nobody paid money for this special formal sanction that nobody cares about.
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Maybe I missed the boat, but I don't think that scheduling has anything to do with it, or very little as far as I see things. It is more that CW's is trying to say that the ABP's point system is going to be used to seed the ABP players, which is untrue. Also him trying to give the appearance that in someway his (CW) ABP is sanctioning the event in some way, which would also be untrue. Because as the WPA has stated any event that they sanction will only be sanctioned by them, and the home federation, no one else or they (WPA) will pull their sanction.
As far as the scheduling goes it sucks even more what CW's is doing because he is the one caused his tournament and the Open to almost overlap and Barry was already making arrangements to made this work out for both parties, then CW comes out with this new press release.
Originally Posted by CreeDo View Post
OK, gonna risk looking dumb here, can someone explain all of this to me like I'm five?
Barry puts on the open. Charlie puts on his own tournaments and there's a scheduling conflict and nobody likes him cuz he broke into a hotel room and fondled a woman. They both put out press releases. There's something about sanctioning, but I have no idea what that's all about.
What's the gist of all this? Everyone's mad at charlie because he scheduled a tournament that conflicts with the US Open? And claimed one of pool's various 3-letter-entities gave his event some sort of formal sanction when they actually didn't?
Was there more to it? It seems like a lot of uproar over a scheduling conflict... do we know for sure it was timed to wreck the US open and there's not some more innocent explanation? And does the sanctioning stuff really matter? Are people actually mad that nobody paid money for this special formal sanction that nobody cares about.
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Maybe I missed the boat, but I don't think that scheduling has anything to do with it, or very little as far as I see things. It is more that CW's is trying to say that the ABP's point system is going to be used to seed the ABP players, which is untrue. Also him trying to give the appearance that in someway his (CW) ABP is sanctioning the event in some way, which would also be untrue. Because as the WPA has stated any event that they sanction will only be sanctioned by them, and the home federation, no one else or they (WPA) will pull their sanction.
As far as the scheduling goes it sucks even more what CW's is doing because he is the one caused his tournament and the Open to almost overlap and Barry was already making arrangements to made this work out for both parties, then CW comes out with this new press release.
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This like all things in life is about MONEY!!!
The ABP wants to control the SELECTION process and the RANKING process!!! The question is WHY??? Very easy answer MONEY!!! The Mosconi Cup pays MONEY!!! The US OPEN pays money and seeding players makes it much easier for ABP elite to make MORE MONEY then if they have a tuff road to the MONEY!!!
The ABP wants to go to the Mosconi Cup Producers and say their Ranking system is the correct one to use in the selection process!!! Thus, the players that are busting butt in the BCA points board can be denied the selections/money!!!
The seeding percentages and data can ALWAYS be manipulated to provide a desired outcome. What I am not hearing is what it is about the BCA rankings the ABP find objectionable and why???
They found it so objectionable that they had to release the numerous press releases less than a month from the US Open and less than 2 months from the announcement of the Mosconi Cup Selections.
Usually the formula and percentages are posted prior to any matches in fairness to all. But, in this case they are awarding them AFTER THE FACT!!! The tournaments used to create the ABP rankings have already been played!!! Except, the us open that they are AGGRESSIVELLY Lobbying to seed using the ABP formula!!!
Additionally, they included the 2 events in New Orleans in their calculations and those events are very spur of the moment and NOT points events for BCA rankings and calculations.
Numerous ABP elite are grasping at straws for points and adding these two events toward the calculation would make it possible for them to be selected. But, BCA already published the events and point structure. So, ABP wants the BCA calculations dropped and theirs adopted!!!
I hope this helped???
KD
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Just tell the abp players to stay home and stick to your guns. Prob solved.
Two gongs to midnight they'll show up anyways because they're bluffing and nutless.
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Two gongs to midnight they'll show up anyways because they're bluffing and nutless.
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Crown a US Open champion with or without them. Better yet...ban all abp players. Let's see how long it takes for abp to disintegrate.
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Yep, Barry tried to work with them and they are trying to make a sucker out of him. He needs to eliminate ABPs influence on the US Open.
Issue refunds, stat.
Exactly. This ABP crap is getting old. ABP....don't show. It just means the green jacket won't go to you.
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The management of the US Open should have contacted ABP directly prior to the press release, so they would at least save face. And mention the negotiations to resolve the sanctioning issue with the involved parties.
As for negotiations the US Open management is on the defensive, it is doubtful they will have any creative ideas. An obvious result is the press release, a cry for help.
The US Open management is clearly unable to manage a situation privately. It is like they want to make it sound like the players don't know the rules for sanctioning and co-sanctioning. The only people those regulations sound new to is Barry Behrman. He got backed into a corner because he let the ABP strong arm him.
The ABP is very aggressive with their negotiating tactics. We already know from previous years the ABP is willing to wait for last minute decisions. Will it be a repeat this year?
As for negotiations the US Open management is on the defensive, it is doubtful they will have any creative ideas. An obvious result is the press release, a cry for help.
The US Open management is clearly unable to manage a situation privately. It is like they want to make it sound like the players don't know the rules for sanctioning and co-sanctioning. The only people those regulations sound new to is Barry Behrman. He got backed into a corner because he let the ABP strong arm him.
The ABP is very aggressive with their negotiating tactics. We already know from previous years the ABP is willing to wait for last minute decisions. Will it be a repeat this year?