Are there Gentleman Gamblers?

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3RAILKICK

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I don't gamble. I have no clue.

My observation is that most gambling sessions involve a negotiating stage where all of ones family, posse, pets, personal appearance, penis length and alleged relations with farm animals comes into play.

And this is the friendly pre-match sparring that precedes establishing a spot, if any(if it isn't stealing-we can't bet), the money(amount,who and where it's held) the race, the location, the table, the start time,(and who pays the table time), jump cues allowed-or not, or how often, 3 fouls, push out, time out breaks, shot clocks and on and on and on.

OK. Now there is a game. It get gets played awhile-then it gets renegotiated, revisiting the original array of name calling topics plus a few new ones.

Then come(again?) the slow play, the stick dropping, coughing, the nod to signal the waitress walking/skid to a halt, the rack slamming, the balls bouncing off the slate, the bad/good roll counting score. And on and on and on.

Is all this done to assure a fair(evenly unfair) game? Should lawyers be involved? Is it a measure of your game or your ability to match up that requires this derogatory-ese skill set.

When the match is over- are these warriors all lovey dovey, or do they seemingly still hate each other, and their families, and posses, pets, and farm animals?

Is is just that we must be 'criminals' to be cool?

Are there no gentleman gamblers? Make a game without all the drama, play the match, adjust as needed. Conclude, pay. Discuss rematch timing and terms.

I just don't understand the modern 'model' that appears based primarily on insulting and degrading the opponent. Has it always been such?

As mentioned, I am clueless. I don't gamble.

Since I don't gamble, maybe I don't need to understand.
 
3RAILKICK said:
I don't gamble. I have no clue.

My observation is that most gambling sessions involve a negotiating stage where all of ones family, posse, pets, personal appearance, penis length and alleged relations with farm animals comes into play.

And this is the friendly pre-match sparring that precedes establishing a spot, if any(if it isn't stealing-we can't bet), the money(amount,who and where it's held) the race, the location, the table, the start time,(and who pays the table time), jump cues allowed-or not, or how often, 3 fouls, push out, time out breaks, shot clocks and on and on and on.

OK. Now there is a game. It get gets played awhile-then it gets renegotiated, revisiting the original array of name calling topics plus a few new ones.

Then come(again?) the slow play, the stick dropping, coughing, the nod to signal the waitress walking/skid to a halt, the rack slamming, the balls bouncing off the slate, the bad/good roll counting score. And on and on and on.

Is all this done to assure a fair(evenly unfair) game? Should lawyers be involved? Is it a measure of your game or your ability to match up that requires this derogatory-ese skill set.

When the match is over- are these warriors all lovey dovey, or do they seemingly still hate each other, and their families, and posses, pets, and farm animals?

Is is just that we must be 'criminals' to be cool?

Are there no gentleman gamblers? Make a game without all the drama, play the match, adjust as needed. Conclude, pay. Discuss rematch timing and terms.

I just don't understand the modern 'model' that appears based primarily on insulting and degrading the opponent. Has it always been such?

As mentioned, I am clueless. I don't gamble.

Since I don't gamble, maybe I don't need to understand.
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I think you are very accurate, you don't understand at all!!
 
Well, your fist statement was the only one that was correct, you don't have a clue. I just came from the tournament in Tuscaloosa, and i played for 500.00 a game, my buddy was also playing for 500.00 a game, I was staking two differnt people playing 500.00 sets, along with betting several people on the side, and not one cross word was ever said. Everyone was standup gamblers!
 
Whre do you live sir-no need to make games like that

whomever you decide to match up with there must be reason that you think you can win-tolerate nothing be a gentleman and if your opponent cant
find yourself a different opponent
 
i play a few people for big $$$ and its damn near social, $10,000 sets, $1000/game 1hole etc. I only play people who are gentalmen. I wouldnt ever get into a pissing contest argument for action-it aint worth it. You just have to pick your spots. I lost a pile of $$$ 2 months ago and am reorganizing my self as a result.
 
Yes there are, Ive known many gamblers who were as honorable as anyone I've ever met. They will try to negotiate the best game possible as they are trying to make a profit. Anyone who who doesn't try to negotiate the best game is known as a 'sucker'.
 
spktur said:
Yes there are, Ive known many gamblers who were as honorable as anyone I've ever met. They will try to negotiate the best game possible as they are trying to make a profit. Anyone who who doesn't try to negotiate the best game is known as a 'sucker'.
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This, if you take the first thing offered you probably just gave them the nuts.
 
There are gentlemen gamblers out there. You just dont hear much about them because there is rarely any drama. Several of them post here.
 
All the negotiating before the first break is fun to spectate, but not so fun to be directly involved with. It depends on the personality of the players IMO. I have witnessed some of the most amusing barking ever over the years. Most of trhe time it was the better player trying to humiliate the lesser player into playing. It seemed the better the players know eachother, the more "personal" it gets.

If I'm playing, I rarely if ever ask for weight, or for that matter give it out. I'd rather step up, play, and see what happens.

G.
 
3RAILKICK said:
Are there no gentleman gamblers? Make a game without all the drama, play the match, adjust as needed.
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Specific to this sentence,,,,,no, There's always drama, there's always whining, there's always griping in the end. And that's if a game is made because many times they're too concerned with getting an edge. Logically, of course, a good game should be a 50-50 affair but that would be too much work. If a player is +2 over another, he'll try to negotiate an even game. He doesn't want to work hard.
 
I made all my games asking one question. Do you want to play? Then we discussed the lenght and price of the game. I never played people that wanted to scream and hollar for an hour before they made a game. I knew they were creaps and it would have bothered me if I lost any kind of money to them. It was there loss.
 
I have not been a gambler in almost 10 years. Much of that is due to a specific lifestyle one must have to remain profitable (IMO), and about 10% of the reason is about the picture that you painted in the first post.

Those situations exist, but they are not the majority. That's just when you play with kids - IMO.

Gentleman gambler's abound! Only problem, they are the tougher/toughest to beat ;)
 
i've met 2. i've met plenty of gamblers that will play and bet without drama. but i've only met 2 that i'd consider gentlemen gamblers
 
I agree with Corey, normally the more of a gentleman the guy you are playing is the better he plays. It's easier to be a gentlemen when you don't lose very often.
It is unfortunate that all the negative stories are all you hear and read about.
And of course there are a few champion pool players that are just as strong at being a DOUCH BAG.
 
PLENTY of 'em out there....let the barkers bark, and just play someone who asks if you'd like to play. It is true that once players get past a certain age, a lot of the theatrics seem to go by the wayside. If you are looking to dip a toe in the money game side of pool just remember the lessons learned are usually MUCH more valuable than the few dollars that you might drop at first.....REALLY. WATCH your opponent, learn, play your best, and HAVE FUN...if you do happen to win, play a bit more, and if you are consistently winning, move on to better competition or offer a spot that will test your game. again...HAVE FUN :thumbup:
 
I thought Borana and OMGWTF were good examples. They stepped up without having "the triple nuts" or whatever, but just a general idea of how each other played. That to me seems like the proper definition of "having gamble." There was no barking, and each handled the results of the match gracefully.
 
LC3 said:
I thought Borana and OMGWTF were good examples. They stepped up without having "the triple nuts" or whatever, but just a general idea of how each other played. That to me seems like the proper definition of "having gamble." There was no barking, and each handled the results of the match gracefully.
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Thank You. Appreciate it :)
 
3RAILKICK said:
I don't gamble. I have no clue.

My observation is that most gambling sessions involve a negotiating stage where all of ones family, posse, pets, personal appearance, penis length and alleged relations with farm animals comes into play.

And this is the friendly pre-match sparring that precedes establishing a spot, if any(if it isn't stealing-we can't bet), the money(amount,who and where it's held) the race, the location, the table, the start time,(and who pays the table time), jump cues allowed-or not, or how often, 3 fouls, push out, time out breaks, shot clocks and on and on and on.

OK. Now there is a game. It get gets played awhile-then it gets renegotiated, revisiting the original array of name calling topics plus a few new ones.

Then come(again?) the slow play, the stick dropping, coughing, the nod to signal the waitress walking/skid to a halt, the rack slamming, the balls bouncing off the slate, the bad/good roll counting score. And on and on and on.

Is all this done to assure a fair(evenly unfair) game? Should lawyers be involved? Is it a measure of your game or your ability to match up that requires this derogatory-ese skill set.

When the match is over- are these warriors all lovey dovey, or do they seemingly still hate each other, and their families, and posses, pets, and farm animals?

Is is just that we must be 'criminals' to be cool?

Are there no gentleman gamblers? Make a game without all the drama, play the match, adjust as needed. Conclude, pay. Discuss rematch timing and terms.

I just don't understand the modern 'model' that appears based primarily on insulting and degrading the opponent. Has it always been such?

As mentioned, I am clueless. I don't gamble.

Since I don't gamble, maybe I don't need to understand.
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Why do you care if you do not gamble.
 
3RAILKICK said:
I don't gamble. I have no clue.

My observation is that most gambling sessions involve a negotiating stage where all of ones family, posse, pets, personal appearance, penis length and alleged relations with farm animals comes into play.

And this is the friendly pre-match sparring that precedes establishing a spot, if any(if it isn't stealing-we can't bet), the money(amount,who and where it's held) the race, the location, the table, the start time,(and who pays the table time), jump cues allowed-or not, or how often, 3 fouls, push out, time out breaks, shot clocks and on and on and on.

OK. Now there is a game. It get gets played awhile-then it gets renegotiated, revisiting the original array of name calling topics plus a few new ones.

Then come(again?) the slow play, the stick dropping, coughing, the nod to signal the waitress walking/skid to a halt, the rack slamming, the balls bouncing off the slate, the bad/good roll counting score. And on and on and on.

Is all this done to assure a fair(evenly unfair) game? Should lawyers be involved? Is it a measure of your game or your ability to match up that requires this derogatory-ese skill set.

When the match is over- are these warriors all lovey dovey, or do they seemingly still hate each other, and their families, and posses, pets, and farm animals?

Is is just that we must be 'criminals' to be cool?

Are there no gentleman gamblers? Make a game without all the drama, play the match, adjust as needed. Conclude, pay. Discuss rematch timing and terms.

I just don't understand the modern 'model' that appears based primarily on insulting and degrading the opponent. Has it always been such?

As mentioned, I am clueless. I don't gamble.

Since I don't gamble, maybe I don't need to understand.
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Ironically, all of the above mentioned items happen in our business world every minute of every day. Matching up is business, plain and simple, as we know, not all are good business men/women. For example, when you want someone to redo your roof on your house you look for someone with qualities you feel are important. Pool is life in a nutshell. You say you don't gamble, actually you do every day you walk out your front door. Modern models are built upon us as children seeing elders interact, keep in mind, most children are adults in large bodies with traits learned NOT in a pool room, but growing up watching others, and 99.99% of all children pick up good and bad habits from somewhere else than a pool room, unless your from Canada eh? :))
 
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