Autographing the American Flag at the Mosconi Cup???

I think it's ok for them to sign the American flag. If Sarah Palin can do it and get away with it, it should be okay for these guys also. And there's lots of signed flags out there.
 
This thread might just have it all

Wowww,

A flag , patriotism, symbolism, shudda cudda wudda......
Think I even seen mention offa Walmart shot-gun in here !!:grin::grin:

Was God mentioned yet ??

<------ sits back, opens a beer and watches,....... :cool:
 
Wowww,

A flag , patriotism, symbolism, shudda cudda wudda......
Think I even seen mention offa Walmart shot-gun in here !!:grin::grin:

Was God mentioned yet ??

<------ sits back, opens a beer and watches,....... :cool:

Here have some Popcorn. I believe it hasn't been mentioned. :)
 
I don't care, personally. I just wouldn't fly it outside my house. It would go on the wall in my future gameroom.
 
Here have some Popcorn. I believe it hasn't been mentioned. :)

Well ,Imma moderate when it comes to idealogical issues. Tend to see it from both sides Usually. That doesn't mean I won't take one side or another though.

<------ creaks back in e-z lounger :cool: ,......................

"hey,............. there's no butter on this pop-corn !" :frown:



Ummmmmm, on 2nd thought .................. Nevermind ! :eek:
 
It was a small replica flag like you can buy at the dollar store on a stick so you can wave it on special occasions.

I have a Canadian flag that I tape to the mirror of my Harley and go for a Canada Day ride.

These days you have Pakistanis burning, trampling and wiping their bums on the American flag. That is classless.

Team USA signing a small replica flag, I'd like to have it.

It is defacing it but in a good way, they weren't disrespecting it.

More of a crime to let a flag touch the ground.
 
You know what? I can't do anything about it and I'm not going to get worked up about it. We all go through life and make different connections with different things. To some, the flag is something you, maybe, pledged allegiance to at school or is something on top of the MTV Award or something to be mocked.

For me, it reminds me of being sworn in to serve my country and give my life if necessary to protect my fellow citizens. It brings back memories of being crammed into a hanger on a cold Christmas eve while serving overseas, with a giant flag on the back wall, when Lee Greenwood came in on a USO tour and sang,"I'm Proud to be an American." And, it also brings back memories of standing next to the flag draped caskets of an entire B-52 crew who went down shortly after takeoff at my base in Sacramento and watching the flags being carefully folded and presented to the families.

Sarah Palin, patriotism, popcorn, whatever. You all knock yourselves out and make fun all you want.

Lou Figueroa
 
You know what? I can't do anything about it and I'm not going to get worked up about it. We all go through life and make different connections with different things. To some, the flag is something you, maybe, pledged allegiance to at school or is something on top of the MTV Award or something to be mocked.

For me, it reminds me of being sworn in to serve my country and give my life if necessary to protect my fellow citizens. It brings back memories of being crammed into a hanger on a cold Christmas eve while serving overseas, with a giant flag on the back wall, when Lee Greenwood came in on a USO tour and sang,"I'm Proud to be an American." And, it also brings back memories of standing next to the flag draped caskets of an entire B-52 crew who went down shortly after takeoff at my base in Sacramento and watching the flags being carefully folded and presented to the families.

Sarah Palin, patriotism, popcorn, whatever. You all knock yourselves out and make fun all you want.

Lou Figueroa

I didn't say I agreed with it Lou. Thank you for your service to our country.
 
Well said, and no disrespect

You know what? I can't do anything about it and I'm not going to get worked up about it. We all go through life and make different connections with different things. To some, the flag is something you, maybe, pledged allegiance to at school or is something on top of the MTV Award or something to be mocked.

For me, it reminds me of being sworn in to serve my country and give my life if necessary to protect my fellow citizens. It brings back memories of being crammed into a hanger on a cold Christmas eve while serving overseas, with a giant flag on the back wall, when Lee Greenwood came in on a USO tour and sang,"I'm Proud to be an American." And, it also brings back memories of standing next to the flag draped caskets of an entire B-52 crew who went down shortly after takeoff at my base in Sacramento and watching the flags being carefully folded and presented to the families.

Sarah Palin, patriotism, popcorn, whatever. You all knock yourselves out and make fun all you want.

Lou Figueroa

I meant no disrespect with regard to sitting down and watching the thread,I am sure the OP meant same when he euphamistisally offered popcorn. I only meant to make light of the many varied opinions over the issue.

You trumped my later response as I'll have to say it now I guess. I thought of 4 examples from my life about this, and ALL OF THEM are symbolic. So I guess it means that it's all about one's personal perspective, which this great counntry defends, supports, and cherishes.
My opinion vs someone else's , vs someone else, yet all mean the same.
In this light, I'd like to know what a Marine that served in Fallujah, Iraq and lost half of his leg would think about the issue.

I know of a flag that has writing all over it , and is displayed PROUDLY inside at the entrance of a bar not so far from home here.
 
Since I served this country in the United States Marine Corps,
I think I have a perspective on what it means to respect the flag, and be willing
to give your life to protect the rights of everyone who wishes to exercise their
right to free speech. It doesn't mean I agree with some of the bullsh*t that has
been spewed about in this thread. Although it's painfully obvious that some of you
do not understand what the flag has stood for for hundreds of years, and what it
is supposed to continue to stand for, that will never change. For anyone to have
such a flippant attitude and say that times change and now it's doesn't mean what
it once did, well Sir...you're full of sh*t, plain and simple. I don't agree with the
signing of the flag, but I can assure you, those guys did not sign it out of disrespect.
If my tired eyes read it right, Johnny Archer's name was at the top of the list. I know
Johnny, and have spent time with him, and that is what all of us should strive to be
like what it comes to being a gentleman. So I'm sure he had no intentions of disrespecting
our flag, as did the others. But I for one, would not have signed it, but I'm also not
one to lead a lynch-mob to tar and feather them...
 
On another note:

That's some very nice "property" you have there ! :cool:

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The brunette in your avatar ain so bad either.
 
I dont think its cool to sign a flag. I am positive there is no malice there just what I would politely say is ignorance of proper etiquette. People don't know what they don't know.

I also don't like American flag bikini's, towels, or anything else that makes it look like a flag is being used for something other than its intended purpose. I don't get worked up about it but it does make me kind of sad that so many people don't know the history of that symbol and all that it has taken to give them the freedom to be so cavalier with it.
 
I think the attitudes being displayed here are a signifier of what's going on in this country. As you can see, I rarely post, but these remarks got me thinking. People have no pride in their country anymore, simple as that. I agree that signing the flag is not a horrendous offense, but no, it's not right and it is disrespectful.

Many of you say, "who cares"? You should. We all are so wrapped up in how something affects "me" that we no longer consider what that event means to anyone else. Who cares, right?

You're right, it's a piece of cloth. But it's a piece of cloth that represents this nation and its people, its ideals and values. Maybe it's because we've become a nation of self-centered narcissists and our national ideals and values have disappeared that we no longer care for our country and therefore our flag.

I don't think signing it is a reason to have them arrested, or to even get a little riled up over, but it's just my opinion that no, it should not have been done and people should not be so flippant about it.



Well said.



I try to observe the code, ever since I was a Scout. My family tries to observe the code. We honor the idea and ideal it represents. One need not if one wishes not to though.

Some feel that the flag represents something they don't like, as in the government, and hence feel justified in acting out in some way against it or violating the Code. It represents the People, the Union....IMHO.


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I dont think its cool to sign a flag. I am positive there is no malice there just what I would politely say is ignorance of proper etiquette. People don't know what they don't know.

I also don't like American flag bikini's, towels, or anything else that makes it look like a flag is being used for something other than its intended purpose. I don't get worked up about it but it does make me kind of sad that so many people don't know the history of that symbol and all that it has taken to give them the freedom to be so cavalier with it.

I was going to post my opinion but this covers it about perfectly.
 
I apologize if someone has already brought this up......but:

What if the Your-a-peein team won it all, and then they all signed an American flag as some sort of poke at us....

Just a piece of fabric?

Well....that's the POINT! Disrespect is....as disrespect does. Even a salute can be given either respectfully or disrespectfully as anyone who has ever been in the services knows full well.

Americans are competing in the Mosconi...FOR AMERICA and the players signing our flag respectfully as a momento of that event is FINE!

And next time the Star Spangled Banner plays, I going to remove my hat with my LEFT hand just to pimp the morons who made the rule that we should use our right hand!!!!


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Since I served this country in the United States Marine Corps,
I think I have a perspective on what it means to respect the flag, and be willing
to give your life to protect the rights of everyone who wishes to exercise their
right to free speech. It doesn't mean I agree with some of the bullsh*t that has
been spewed about in this thread. Although it's painfully obvious that some of you
do not understand what the flag has stood for for hundreds of years, and what it
is supposed to continue to stand for, that will never change. For anyone to have
such a flippant attitude and say that times change and now it's doesn't mean what
it once did, well Sir...you're full of sh*t, plain and simple. I don't agree with the
signing of the flag, but I can assure you, those guys did not sign it out of disrespect.
If my tired eyes read it right, Johnny Archer's name was at the top of the list. I know
Johnny, and have spent time with him, and that is what all of us should strive to be
like what it comes to being a gentleman. So I'm sure he had no intentions of disrespecting
our flag, as did the others. But I for one, would not have signed it, but I'm also not
one to lead a lynch-mob to tar and feather them...

And...of course...you deleted/erased or otherwise destroyed the graphic files...film or other storage medium used to photograph U.S. currency right?

That's the LAW....Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Section 411, Title 31, U.S. Code of Federal Regulations.

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Just jerkin' your chain and I appreciate your service.

But I assure you that those of us who have had IMMEDIATE family members give their lives in their country's service understand what American freedom is as clearly and indellibly as anyone else.

EagleMan
 
Signing the flag was a bad idea that was poorly thought out.There are other ways to generate interest in the competition.
 
It's sad

It's only a piece of cloth but we all know a country's flag has considerable meaning. And so, as *guidelines,* there are various "codes" pertaining to how an American flag should be treated.

IF it was indeed an American flag, I honestly doubt any kind of disrespect was intended by the players. And most "civilians" are not as familiar with the proper handling of a US flag as those who have served in government and the military typically are. However, by generally accepted standards, signing it or defacing it in any way would be wrong.

I'm a vet -- did my 20 in the USAF. My hair did not burst into flames when I read about this. But it did bother me nonetheless. What I would suggest -- if it's a US flag -- that someone inform the players and that they discontinue what they are doing and dispose of the flag properly.

They're representing our country. At the minimum they could show our flag proper respect.

Lou Figueroa
It's sad to me that no one spoke up , it's sad to me that maybe if someone was on site who had an opinion about it they may have kept silent as not to offend "the pros" .To me it's just a sign of how bad we have gotten away from whats important in the name of being politically correct.It's just more evidence of how politically correct and un patriotic our country has gotten.I really have a burning desire to sell my toyota tomorrow and get something made in AMERICA ......it matters. For the sake of players signing a flag I am sure it was not meant to be as tacky as it was or even meant in any disrespect.
Lou, thank you Sir for serving our country and to all who served THANK YOU.
I am not military but have had enough friends and family over the years who are to get a lump in my throat when I see our countries flag displayed and treated properly and a sad heart when I see it disrespected for any reason.
 
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It's sad to me that no one spoke up , it's sad to me that maybe if someone was on site who had an opinion about it they may have kept silent as not to offend "the pros" .To me it's just a sign of how bad we have gotten away from whats important in the name of being politically correct.It's just more evidence of how politically correct and un patriotic our country has gotten.I really have a burning desire to sell my toyota tomorrow and get something made in AMERICA ......it matters. For the sake of players signing a flag I am sure it was not meant to be as tacky as it was or even meant in any disrespect.
Lou, thank you Sir for serving our country and to all who served THANK YOU.
I am not military but have had enough friends and family over the years who are to get a lump in my throat when I see our countries flag displayed and treated properly and a sad heart when I see it disrespected for any reason.
So you're going to sell your car to show patriotism? Good for you. How about stopping for a minute and be proud to be human? Japanese built that car you have, they are just as human as the Americans you want to reward by buying American. Grow up, and stop letting insignificant instances drive your life.

"I'm an American, I'm gonna go buy an American car!"

Do you buy everything else in your possession from American manufacturers? What about your shoes, your wrist watch, the coffee in your kitchen, or the TV in your livingroom? Stop thinking so negatively about how Americans show their patriotism. Just because I don't think that writing on a flag isn't a horrendous act doesn't mean I'm not proud to be American. I don't have show my pride with cash, I show it by supporting troops, by voting, by being politically involved, and by educating myself.

You go ahead and buy that new Ford or Chevy. I'm sure that $25,000 will SURELY outweigh the tens of thousands of dollars you have UNPATRIOTICALLY spent on Chinese goods.
 
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