Wowww,
A flag , patriotism, symbolism, shudda cudda wudda......
Think I even seen mention offa Walmart shot-gun in here !!:grin::grin:
Was God mentioned yet ??
<------ sits back, opens a beer and watches,.......![]()
Here have some Popcorn. I believe it hasn't been mentioned.![]()
You know what? I can't do anything about it and I'm not going to get worked up about it. We all go through life and make different connections with different things. To some, the flag is something you, maybe, pledged allegiance to at school or is something on top of the MTV Award or something to be mocked.
For me, it reminds me of being sworn in to serve my country and give my life if necessary to protect my fellow citizens. It brings back memories of being crammed into a hanger on a cold Christmas eve while serving overseas, with a giant flag on the back wall, when Lee Greenwood came in on a USO tour and sang,"I'm Proud to be an American." And, it also brings back memories of standing next to the flag draped caskets of an entire B-52 crew who went down shortly after takeoff at my base in Sacramento and watching the flags being carefully folded and presented to the families.
Sarah Palin, patriotism, popcorn, whatever. You all knock yourselves out and make fun all you want.
Lou Figueroa
You know what? I can't do anything about it and I'm not going to get worked up about it. We all go through life and make different connections with different things. To some, the flag is something you, maybe, pledged allegiance to at school or is something on top of the MTV Award or something to be mocked.
For me, it reminds me of being sworn in to serve my country and give my life if necessary to protect my fellow citizens. It brings back memories of being crammed into a hanger on a cold Christmas eve while serving overseas, with a giant flag on the back wall, when Lee Greenwood came in on a USO tour and sang,"I'm Proud to be an American." And, it also brings back memories of standing next to the flag draped caskets of an entire B-52 crew who went down shortly after takeoff at my base in Sacramento and watching the flags being carefully folded and presented to the families.
Sarah Palin, patriotism, popcorn, whatever. You all knock yourselves out and make fun all you want.
Lou Figueroa
I think the attitudes being displayed here are a signifier of what's going on in this country. As you can see, I rarely post, but these remarks got me thinking. People have no pride in their country anymore, simple as that. I agree that signing the flag is not a horrendous offense, but no, it's not right and it is disrespectful.
Many of you say, "who cares"? You should. We all are so wrapped up in how something affects "me" that we no longer consider what that event means to anyone else. Who cares, right?
You're right, it's a piece of cloth. But it's a piece of cloth that represents this nation and its people, its ideals and values. Maybe it's because we've become a nation of self-centered narcissists and our national ideals and values have disappeared that we no longer care for our country and therefore our flag.
I don't think signing it is a reason to have them arrested, or to even get a little riled up over, but it's just my opinion that no, it should not have been done and people should not be so flippant about it.
I dont think its cool to sign a flag. I am positive there is no malice there just what I would politely say is ignorance of proper etiquette. People don't know what they don't know.
I also don't like American flag bikini's, towels, or anything else that makes it look like a flag is being used for something other than its intended purpose. I don't get worked up about it but it does make me kind of sad that so many people don't know the history of that symbol and all that it has taken to give them the freedom to be so cavalier with it.
I apologize if someone has already brought this up......but:
What if the Your-a-peein team won it all, and then they all signed an American flag as some sort of poke at us....
Just a piece of fabric?
Since I served this country in the United States Marine Corps,
I think I have a perspective on what it means to respect the flag, and be willing
to give your life to protect the rights of everyone who wishes to exercise their
right to free speech. It doesn't mean I agree with some of the bullsh*t that has
been spewed about in this thread. Although it's painfully obvious that some of you
do not understand what the flag has stood for for hundreds of years, and what it
is supposed to continue to stand for, that will never change. For anyone to have
such a flippant attitude and say that times change and now it's doesn't mean what
it once did, well Sir...you're full of sh*t, plain and simple. I don't agree with the
signing of the flag, but I can assure you, those guys did not sign it out of disrespect.
If my tired eyes read it right, Johnny Archer's name was at the top of the list. I know
Johnny, and have spent time with him, and that is what all of us should strive to be
like what it comes to being a gentleman. So I'm sure he had no intentions of disrespecting
our flag, as did the others. But I for one, would not have signed it, but I'm also not
one to lead a lynch-mob to tar and feather them...
It's sad to me that no one spoke up , it's sad to me that maybe if someone was on site who had an opinion about it they may have kept silent as not to offend "the pros" .To me it's just a sign of how bad we have gotten away from whats important in the name of being politically correct.It's just more evidence of how politically correct and un patriotic our country has gotten.I really have a burning desire to sell my toyota tomorrow and get something made in AMERICA ......it matters. For the sake of players signing a flag I am sure it was not meant to be as tacky as it was or even meant in any disrespect.It's only a piece of cloth but we all know a country's flag has considerable meaning. And so, as *guidelines,* there are various "codes" pertaining to how an American flag should be treated.
IF it was indeed an American flag, I honestly doubt any kind of disrespect was intended by the players. And most "civilians" are not as familiar with the proper handling of a US flag as those who have served in government and the military typically are. However, by generally accepted standards, signing it or defacing it in any way would be wrong.
I'm a vet -- did my 20 in the USAF. My hair did not burst into flames when I read about this. But it did bother me nonetheless. What I would suggest -- if it's a US flag -- that someone inform the players and that they discontinue what they are doing and dispose of the flag properly.
They're representing our country. At the minimum they could show our flag proper respect.
Lou Figueroa
So you're going to sell your car to show patriotism? Good for you. How about stopping for a minute and be proud to be human? Japanese built that car you have, they are just as human as the Americans you want to reward by buying American. Grow up, and stop letting insignificant instances drive your life.It's sad to me that no one spoke up , it's sad to me that maybe if someone was on site who had an opinion about it they may have kept silent as not to offend "the pros" .To me it's just a sign of how bad we have gotten away from whats important in the name of being politically correct.It's just more evidence of how politically correct and un patriotic our country has gotten.I really have a burning desire to sell my toyota tomorrow and get something made in AMERICA ......it matters. For the sake of players signing a flag I am sure it was not meant to be as tacky as it was or even meant in any disrespect.
Lou, thank you Sir for serving our country and to all who served THANK YOU.
I am not military but have had enough friends and family over the years who are to get a lump in my throat when I see our countries flag displayed and treated properly and a sad heart when I see it disrespected for any reason.