Best Chalk??? I wanna change.

Dawgie said:
Blue diamond isn't "hype". I can't tell you from about 4 months experience using BD. I'd never go back after having used this chalk. I'm serious.

Question ~ Where can I buy BD other than a entire case?

Just to give you a little history to this chalk change _ I saw a guy pull out the BD at the Expo last March. I thought I'd try it and I was sold. It is truly different. Unfortunately I only bought one box. I have a little left but am looking for maybe half dozen boxes.
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You can order blue diamond chalk here. You can get as many boxes as they have in stock.
 
jazz_jg said:
If you use master chalk use the dark blue chalk its less talky then the green.
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I agree. I just recently started using the blue Master chalk, and I was very surprised by how much of a difference there is between the green and the blue. One would think that they would be the same, but blue Master goes on smoother and is less messy than green Master.
 
With all the rage about the Blue Diamond chalk I thought I would try some,so I bought some from Troy the other day.Let me tell you,this chalk is no joke.It go's on smooth and effortlessly and lasts forever!Your hands doesn't get as dirty also.Blue Diamond is the best chalk I've ever tried and I've done them all.In closing I would say that everybody needs to try this stuff,you won't be disappointed.;)
 
CreeDo said:
Pre-flag vs. post-flag master's chalk is a myth. A rep from Tweeten Fibre Co. (the manufacturer) says all they changed was the graphic on the paper around the chalk. The chalk is the EXACT SAME.
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Sorry, but I don't think we will never find out what is really going on simply by asking the companies involved. (Even with pretty please, sugar on the top an' everything.)

Tweeten appear to follow the same theory as Saluc/Aramith when it comes to public relations - They have very obviously made changes in their products over the years but do not want to admit to it. I guess they think that consumers could expect actual responses to their complaints or requests to change it back to how it used to be. So they just keep telling us nothing has changed and please go away. Also any real information released could be used by their competitors against them.

There is no question in my direct experience that there has been a change either in formulation and/or manufacturing process of Master's Blue. When I first came to the USA 11 years ago most all the Master's Blue was a lighter blue color and noticably smoother in texture, and tended to apply a bit faster and leave a thicker layer of chalk on the tip. (Not always a good thing BTW) At some point (and I personally think it happened before the flag was put on the label, so in a sense the Tweeten rep may have been telling the partial truth) they switched to the current version, which is a darker shade of blue and is a bit more gritty and less smooth in application.

I generally purchase Gross boxes of Masters and could see no change of the labels or packaging. I've never had a box that contained a mixture, only one or the other. Other people I've spoken to (and contributors here) have noted this change too. Given that boxes of chalk can sit on warehouse shelves for months or years it has taken a while for all the older, ligher blue stock to work it's way out of the system. I haven't personally seen any for years out here in darkest Southern California but other regions may vary.

If I had to guess I'd say Tweeten worked out a small change in formulation and/or manufacturing process for Master's Blue that saved them money. They enacted this change silently and continued selling the same product under the same name for the same price. They still have a very large market share so clearly this tactic works for them. On this basis it is entirely possible the "new" super chalks are simply revisions of their older forumulations of Master's Blue. You'd have to assume there are some kind of contractual agreements in place to stop Tweeten simply marketing a "super" chalk of their own at half the price or they'd have done it by now. Of course they could also be getting a cut of the sales revenue from these other chalks for all we know.
 
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I have never tried Blue Diamond chalk, and I can honestly say that I probably wont try it. I like Master chalk just fine, and even though the BD may be better, I cant see paying that much for chalk that is marginally better than Master. Its not gonna improve my game by any significant amount, so I cant justify the insulting high price. If you like it and use thats great, but I cant see myself paying 1400% more for chalk.




Joe
 
snipershot said:
I have never tried Blue Diamond chalk, and I can honestly say that I probably wont try it. I like Master chalk just fine, and even though the BD may be better, I cant see paying that much for chalk that is marginally better than Master. Its not gonna improve my game by any significant amount, so I cant justify the insulting high price. If you like it and use thats great, but I cant see myself paying 1400% more for chalk.




Joe
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Each to thier own.
 
Celtic said:
Blue Diamond chalk is better, period. It is more like a "paste" then master chalk and holds to the tip ALOT better. Where master chalk will sometimes have issues staying in contact with anything less then a perfectly spiked tip the Blue Diamond is alot more capable of sticking to the tip even when it has sections that might not have the spiked porous surface that master chalk requires.

If you are any sort of a decent pool player who can cash in tournaments you need to keep in mind that one single miscue can cost you hundreds, and perhaps even thousands of dollars in winnings and if spending $3.50 on a cube of chalk can remove a few miscues from your game it is going to more then pay for itself in no time.
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Have you ever known of any capable or better player who miscued
due to his use of Master chalk - I think not.

All this ASSUMMING you will miscue less because it goes on 'better'
is pointless - the ONLY way you will be less prone to miscue is
if the coeificient of friction is higher.

Can we get some factage?

Dale
 
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AuntyDan said:
Sorry, but I don't think we will never find out what is really going on simply by asking the companies involved. (Even with pretty please, sugar on the top an' everything.)

Tweeten appear to follow the same theory as Saluc/Aramith when it comes to public relations - They have very obviously made changes in their products over the years but do not want to admit to it. I guess they think that consumers could expect actual responses to their complaints or requests to change it back to how it used to be. So they just keep telling us nothing has changed and please go away. Also any real information released could be used by their competitors against them.

There is no question in my direct experience that there has been a change either in formulation and/or manufacturing process of Master's Blue. When I first came to the USA 11 years ago most all the Master's Blue was a lighter blue color and noticably smoother in texture, and tended to apply a bit faster and leave a thicker layer of chalk on the tip. (Not always a good thing BTW) At some point (and I personally think it happened before the flag was put on the label, so in a sense the Tweeten rep may have been telling the partial truth) they switched to the current version, which is a darker shade of blue and is a bit more gritty and less smooth in application.

I generally purchase Gross boxes of Masters and could see no change of the labels or packaging. I've never had a box that contained a mixture, only one or the other. Other people I've spoken to (and contributors here) have noted this change too. Given that boxes of chalk can sit on warehouse shelves for months or years it has taken a while for all the older, ligher blue stock to work it's way out of the system. I haven't personally seen any for years out here in darkest Southern California but other regions may vary.

If I had to guess I'd say Tweeten worked out a small change in formulation and/or manufacturing process for Master's Blue that saved them money. They enacted this change silently and continued selling the same product under the same name for the same price. They still have a very large market share so clearly this tactic works for them. On this basis it is entirely possible the "new" super chalks are simply revisions of their older forumulations of Master's Blue. You'd have to assume there are some kind of contractual agreements in place to stop Tweeten simply marketing a "super" chalk of their own at half the price or they'd have done it by now. Of course they could also be getting a cut of the sales revenue from these other chalks for all we know.
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Aunt,

You make many very good points.
I bought 2 gross boxes of Masters Blue in the early 90s.
Far be it from me to impune anyones veracity, but...
No one will ever convince me the current blue is just
the same as the older blue - there is an obvious diference
'where the rubber meets the road', so to speak.

Dale
 
I tried some NIR chalk over the weekend (thanks to Poolhustler) and it's very messy and about the same performance as Master...no real cueing advantage of using it... but it is expensive, around $3/cube. I ordered some BD from Troy (koinnkid) and I'll try it too, but I'm not holding my breath. First hand knowledge is good...
:p
 
Freddie O, I didn't want to like it!!! I just received my BD chalk from DGEM.
Well, it really isn't all hype my man. I barely had to reapply. I was chalking up after every rack of 9 ball. I don't generally miscue a lot, so it hard to talk about that. But, it did feel a little bit stickier which I like. After a play a while with the Master my hand is very dirty between my middle finger and ring finger. With the BD it was so minimal. I'm gonna stick with the BD. If you're chalking up 80% less than with the Masters the money spent will not be an issue.
Freddie O, you want my Masters???
 
atthecat said:
Freddie O, I didn't want to like it!!! I just received my BD chalk from DGEM.
Well, it really isn't all hype my man. I barely had to reapply. I was chalking up after every rack of 9 ball. I don't generally miscue a lot, so it hard to talk about that. But, it did feel a little bit stickier which I like. After a play a while with the Master my hand is very dirty between my middle finger and ring finger. With the BD it was so minimal. I'm gonna stick with the BD. If you're chalking up 80% less than with the Masters the money spent will not be an issue.
Freddie O, you want my Masters???
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Hey i'm glad you liked the chalk. If you want to be thrifty, you can always use masters chalk for practicing, then bluediamond for playing matches. :thumbup:
 
Best Chalk??? I wanna change.

> As long as the cubes are fairly fresh,I don't have a problem with the "new" Master chalk.

That being said,the "old" was indeed better. PDCUE made an excellent analogy about that.

I wouldn't mind having some Triangle blue if someone has some to spare,I can't get any locally.

I've been using chalk from the same 2 gross I bought from the PBTA office in 1995,that being a different formulation of National Tournament Chalk with the PBTA logo on it. This is NOT to be confused with the crap in the red wrapper with gold lettering. I've seen this same stuff with an APA logo,as well as a Camel logo. It's just a hair softer than the "old" Master,so it covers a little better,and doesn't seem to be as bad about getting mushy in humid conditions. That makes it twice as good to the "new" Master to me. It's different,and some people just can't accept it,unless they TRY it. I get opponents that see it and think it's some cheapo crap and want to throw it away,set it off to the side,etc,so I have to keep an eye on it. Anyone that's ever tried it with an open mind wants some of it too. Tommy D.
 
I was a little freaked out by the mention of lead possibly being in the BD so I emailed Longoni. Here is there response. What does every one make of this??? Hummmmmmmmm.

Dear Sir,
we checked the producer details and from these document we can see that the lead presence is not specified.

Thanks in advance,
Pierluigi Longoni
 
I just bought some Blue Diamond Chalk a little over a month ago and I play pool everyday sometimes up to 6 hours. I can not wear down that Blue Diamond Chalk!!! I have even let other player use it and I am still on the same cube. No wonder it cost so much...it last forever. It is buy far the best that I have ever used and keeps my miscues to a minimum. I have to get way outside of the cb to miscue. That Blue Diamond is the STUFF!!!
 
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