Best US player: Archer or SVB?

thats the game i'd like to see too. Wu is brutal, SVB would have his hands full, they both would for that matter,

i also want to see alex and yang tee it up. winner of both matches for the title of baddest man on the planet.
 
Just for the record, JA did not win the Swanee this year. He did win it in 2008 when he beat "Big Wave" Dave Hemmah in the final. Mitch Ellerman won it this year, beating Oscar Dominguez for the title.


Cool...thanks for the clarification! :)
I pulled the info off his web-site...and it was a little confusing...it had 2008 beside the tournament but showed the date as like early February 2009 or something like that...so I'm still not sure what that meant...lol
 
Cool...thanks for the clarification! :)
I pulled the info off his web-site...and it was a little confusing...it had 2008 beside the tournament but showed the date as like early February 2009 or something like that...so I'm still not sure what that meant...lol

The date is wrong (2/09), the year is correct (2008). The 12th Swanee won by JA took place Feb. 9-10, 2008:

http://www.playbca.com/Events/Other...rial/TournamentResults/tabid/491/Default.aspx

Here's this year's results (Feb. 7-8, 2009):

http://www.playbca.com/portals/0/swanson/09swaneewin.pdf
 
i also want to see alex and yang tee it up. winner of both matches for the title of baddest man on the planet.

Orcullo normally tortures Alex from what I have heard. And we all know what Yang does to Orcullo.

IMO Yang already has the title, and if anyone wants it they have to play him to take it from him.
 
I agree. Ching Shun Yang's got the title, and to be the champ....you have to beat the champ!

I would love to see Yang in a "pit like" environment like last years DCC when Shane played Efren. I don't really think it would affect his game at all, but I would still love to see it. 300 spectators is a dark, hot, overcrowded room, A slightly broken in table with not perfectly polished balls. Tons of distractions, no refs, etc. I love the players that can handle the heat...
 
I would love to see Yang in a "pit like" environment like last years DCC when Shane played Efren. I don't really think it would affect his game at all, but I would still love to see it. 300 spectators is a dark, hot, overcrowded room, A slightly broken in table with not perfectly polished balls. Tons of distractions, no refs, etc. I love the players that can handle the heat...

The problem is who is gonna back "the other guy"? I don't think anyone really wants to play Yang atm for big cash in a long set. The guy that everyone else ducks tried him twice and lost...
 
He's tougher than he looks!

I would love to see Yang in a "pit like" environment like last years DCC when Shane played Efren. I don't really think it would affect his game at all, but I would still love to see it. 300 spectators is a dark, hot, overcrowded room, A slightly broken in table with not perfectly polished balls. Tons of distractions, no refs, etc. I love the players that can handle the heat...

Ian,
Like you, I don't think that enviroment would affect Yang's speed at all. Personally, I think the most pressure Yang feels is in the WPC's where he's been expected to win for years now. Especially in 2005 when they were held in his hometown of Kaohsiung, Taiwan (Chinese Taipei). In his homeland, he's known as the "Son of Pool"!

A few other things to keep in mind concerning Yang's mindset...
1. He grew up fatherless and found a "mentor" as well an instructor in the great Fong Pang Chao. Having "The Stone Faced Killer" as your coach has to have toughened him up!

2. Yang has played numerous challenge matches in the Philippines for years and there, the "pit action" is every bit as rabid as it is in the DCC.
Only the conditions in the Philippines are worse than they are at the DCC.

3. I believe that Yang relishes his role as the "Money King", aka best money player in the world because it sort of gives him some dignity in the pool world because of all the pressure that's been upon him for years now as the "best player never to have won the World Championship". That unfortunate mantle used to belong to Django, but I believe it's been passed down to Yang. And as long as he keeps winning, his status in pooldom as today's best money player stays intact.
 
I don't normally bump my own threads that are nearly a year old, but I would like to see some perspectives from the new people. Also, the established posters may have a different opinion now that many months have passed...

What do you guys think?
 
I have...

I agree 100% with everything that's been said here so far... JA is all of what you guys say and so is Shane. As for the gambling comparison, I've seen Johnny match up about 30 or so times since I started playing this game in 1992. I've seen him give ENORMOUS weight to great players and make them all look like APA 6s. I've never seen Johnny lose a match for the dough, sets yes but he always got there before they quit. I think Johnny is the best player America ever produced also, but I also believe Shane has everything it takes to be the next Archer(IF there ever is another). odviously Corey has the talent but I think we all know it takes alot more than just that, damn shame too because I really think Corey has more talent than ANYONE american or otherwise...

Not to take anything away from Johnny, but he was giving up the eight to Francisco Galindo in the mid nineties at Franciscos room and lost 30G's to him.

Jaden
 
Right now in 10-Ball I would take SVB over any American on most tables. If they play in Marietta on JA's pet Olhausen then yes JA is the favorite. Other than that, I think SVB tears JA a new butt hole. Kid is just too good and does not rattle, even if there is lint on the table.
 
I don't normally bump my own threads that are nearly a year old, but I would like to see some perspectives from the new people. Also, the established posters may have a different opinion now that many months have passed...

What do you guys think?

I'll prolly get a million arguements from the shaniacs (don't get me wrong i love watching shane play) but i think archer is still the man in american pool. shane goes to other countries to play the best to get better, johnny doesnt need to he is already there. i asked johnny in an online chat ,mark cantrill put on for azb peeps, who he wanted to play a TAR match with and he said shane on any table with 4" pockets. big truck put the transcript on here somewhere ill see if i can find it.
 
I think Johnny has an advantage in most games, because of experience(except 10 ball because of Shanes break). I think right now the best player would have to be Archer but Shane isn't going to let it stay that way for very long because like many have said he has the best work ethic of any pool player out there and is constantly improving.

I think I heard something on this forum about these two matching up. Shane said he wouldn't play Johnny on a Gold Crown and Johnny said he wouldn't play Shane on a diamond....I could be remembering this wrong though

There's a Diamond 9ft ProAm in Johnny's room now, and there's a GC3 with 4 1/4" corner pockets at the Dakota Cue Club between 2 Diamond 9ft ProAms...in which Shane practices on the GC...so there's tables at both home locations for them to play on;)
 
Right now in 10-Ball I would take SVB over any American on most tables. If they play in Marietta on JA's pet Olhausen then yes JA is the favorite. Other than that, I think SVB tears JA a new butt hole. Kid is just too good and does not rattle, even if there is lint on the table.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen Shane run a bazillion racks in 10 ball, and I know how well he can dab it...But, do you really think Johnny would rattle? (Lint on the table notwithstanding?) :D

I think that youngster is in for the the fight of his life if he hooks up in a TAR format with Archer. Johnny's just been too good, for too long...my money's always on him.
 
I'm glad you bumped this thread. we need a new TAR match. Any coming up?

Not sure who I would bet on in this one. My heart says JA but after watching Shane come back against Donnie I'm just not sure.
 
I'm glad you bumped this thread. we need a new TAR match. Any coming up?

Not sure who I would bet on in this one. My heart says JA but after watching Shane come back against Donnie I'm just not sure.

i know it was a while back.... do you think archer would let alex pull out a 20 game comeback ( or whatever it was) like shane did. i know alex is a monster and everything, but i'd bet my soul archer wouldnt have gotten beat in that situation. that tips the scales for me and i know its super close.
 
Tourney play (9B) i like JA.

Any long rotation match for the cheese i like SVB,and, i also like SVB playing 1P

Str8 pool i like JA
 
i know it was a while back.... do you think archer would let alex pull out a 20 game comeback ( or whatever it was) like shane did. i know alex is a monster and everything, but i'd bet my soul archer wouldnt have gotten beat in that situation. that tips the scales for me and i know its super close.[/QUOT


imo JA wouldn't have gotten 20 games up...
 
Tourney play (9B) i like JA.

Any long rotation match for the cheese i like SVB,and, i also like SVB playing 1P

Str8 pool i like JA

You seem to think archer cant get there for the dough. breaks and runs 13 on busty in his younger years , runs through nevel like a 50 lb pallet of ex lax lol. i dont think gambling aspect even comes into play here. tourny id say its a pick em, for the cheese archer gets it.
 
i know it was a while back.... do you think archer would let alex pull out a 20 game comeback ( or whatever it was) like shane did. i know alex is a monster and everything, but i'd bet my soul archer wouldnt have gotten beat in that situation. that tips the scales for me and i know its super close.[/QUOT


imo JA wouldn't have gotten 20 games up...

i said if he were in that position. and archer is more than capable of putting a titanic beatdown on any human being.
 
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