blue circle and red circle CB's-IMPORTANT INFO

Fatboy

Fatboy

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I have been wanting to settle this in my mind for many years, as of right now I have awalys said the red circle and blue weigh the same-the only difference is the red circle is made of a more elastic polymer therefore bounces more-making it easier to draw your rock and harder to follow. I have said this for years and years. If you hold one of each up and drop them the red awalys bounces higher.


I was surfing the net looking for a scale to weigh cue on, i'm going to have a few cues for sale comming up. I'm going to reduce the number of cues I own but increase the level of cues I own over the next couple years, I needed a scale to weigh them on so if someone should ask I could answere.(No Szamboti's are going to be offered underany circumstances)


Back to Balls, I got my scales in today and I really like them I did'ny get analitical balances that cost $5,000 but I didnt get the 99 cent dope dealer scales either. I bought AWS American Weigh Scales-made in China of course. Model AMW-1000.


I have a whole lot of both CB's here to weigh, some are visiably smaller from use they are so old and some new out of the box, blue and red circle.


I got my scales out put little foam feet on the top of the scales that weigh .5 grams, Zeroed the scales. the balls rest real nice and dont move-so I'm confident I set up a consistant enviormant to weigh my balls.


The results:

New CB's weigh more than old used ones, and the color of the circle has nothing to do with the weight of the CB, thus giving me more imperical evidence that its the resin/polymer not weight that effects the diffeerence in play of the red circle and blue circle.


also I weighed all the balls in my set of the new Tournment Balls and most of them weighed exactly the same amount, I'm to sleepy tonight to put up numbers from this preliminary experment. When I get back to Vegas in a week I will weigh the balls and post them up here, I also have a few sets of never played with Centennials and I'm going to weigh them and post the numbers, I'll also take a pic of my rig I'm doing this with.


But for now we can be sure the red circle CB IS NOT LIGHTER THAN THE BLUE, it just meand you gotta work on your stroke if you want to draw the blue circle.:thumbup:

I feel like i'm in college wrighting a lab report up.LOL college
 
Fatboy said:
I have been wanting to settle this in my mind for many years, as of right now I have awalys said the red circle and blue weigh the same-the only difference is the red circle is made of a more elastic polymer therefore bounces more-making it easier to draw your rock and harder to follow. I have said this for years and years. If you hold one of each up and drop them the red awalys bounces higher.


I was surfing the net looking for a scale to weigh cue on, i'm going to have a few cues for sale comming up. I'm going to reduce the number of cues I own but increase the level of cues I own over the next couple years, I needed a scale to weigh them on so if someone should ask I could answere.(No Szamboti's are going to be offered underany circumstances)


Back to Balls, I got my scales in today and I really like them I did'ny get analitical balances that cost $5,000 but I didnt get the 99 cent dope dealer scales either. I bought AWS American Weigh Scales-made in China of course. Model AMW-1000.


I have a whole lot of both CB's here to weigh, some are visiably smaller from use they are so old and some new out of the box, blue and red circle.


I got my scales out put little foam feet on the top of the scales that weigh .5 grams, Zeroed the scales. the balls rest real nice and dont move-so I'm confident I set up a consistant enviormant to weigh my balls.


The results:

New CB's weigh more than old used ones, and the color of the circle has nothing to do with the weight of the CB, thus giving me more imperical evidence that its the resin/polymer not weight that effects the diffeerence in play of the red circle and blue circle.


also I weighed all the balls in my set of the new Tournment Balls and most of them weighed exactly the same amount, I'm to sleepy tonight to put up numbers from this preliminary experment. When I get back to Vegas in a week I will weigh the balls and post them up here, I also have a few sets of never played with Centennials and I'm going to weigh them and post the numbers, I'll also take a pic of my rig I'm doing this with.


But for now we can be sure the red circle CB IS NOT LIGHTER THAN THE BLUE, it just meand you gotta work on your stroke if you want to draw the blue circle.:thumbup:

I feel like i'm in college wrighting a lab report up.LOL college
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Actually, the red circle ball is indeed lighter. Weigh a few more, and youll find out.
Chuck
 
Wow....

I would of made a large wager the blue circle is definitely heavier than the red circle??


Weigh the Aramith measle ball compared to the Aramith red circle...I believe the measle is heavier....
 
Cool you decided to finally put it to the test.

I dunno that you need to weigh several of them as rivercity suggested. In fact I think weighing too many is a problem. The only fair test is to take one freshly-purchased red and one freshly-purchased blue and weigh them. That way nobody can say the age or wear and tear has anything to do with it.
 
Unless they changed their mixture the Red circle is lighter. I weighed several new of each about ten years ago. The Blue averaged about 5 grams more. Its not very much and makes a little difference to me but it really effects some players. I prefer the blue for 14-1 and one hole and the Red for 9 or 10 ball. Actually just a good set of balls (not worn out) with either CB works for me.

Rod
 
This test was done by someone on here a year or two ago. I can't think of his name right now but his Avatar is him standing next to his Harley (Big dude). I believe he has a Diamond Pro-Am in a finished garage. Maybe lives in Washington state. Johnnyt
 
Interesting, Fatboy, but irrelevant. In these hard times most of us don't have the cash to buy multiple cue balls in the search for the perfect game:(.

Personally, I traded my cow for a magic cue ball.
 
Scaramouche said:
Interesting, Fatboy, but irrelevant. In these hard times most of us don't have the cash to buy multiple cue balls in the search for the perfect game:(.

Personally, I traded my cow for a magic cue ball.
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I have a lot of QB's but no scale. I've been out of that business for many years:eek:. Johnnyt
 
Fatboy said:
The results: New CB's weigh more than old used ones, and the color of the circle has nothing to do with the weight of the CB, thus giving me more imperical evidence that its the resin/polymer not weight that effects the diffeerence in play of the red circle and blue circle.
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Good test, FB. Like you, I believe that it's the surface polymer that influences the sensitivity of the CB.

I don't hear much talk about the blue circle. It would be interesting to have a test comparison between the Red Circle, Super Aramith, and the Measles cueballs.

The CBs with the snowy white finish seem to me to have the surface polymer that accounts for the "workability" of the ball. I see that more often in the Measles CB. The ones with the creamier color seem less sensitive, and as a result, heavier.

This subject comes up at least once every year. You'd think by now that we'd have definitive answers!:D Perhaps Bob J. or Dr. Dave have some actual facts available for us.

Doc
 
Maniac said:
In the seven hour period since the thread was opened, it has 253 views. I think SOMEONE cares!!!

Maniac
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That has something to do with Fatboy's past Mail order days of writing catchy phrases and getting people to "ACT NOW"/ click on thread LOL. He's good at it. Johnnyt
 
Remember, your momma's so fat...

that when she sits around the house, SHE SITS A_R_O_U_N_D THE HOUSE?

Okay, okay, here's one more for sitting around the house:

You know you got too much time on your hands when you sit around your house weighing your balls... :grin-square:

Just sayin'.

Best,
Brian kc

P.S. Here's where I will sincerely say thanks for the cb weight and polymer characteristics info as I had little knowledge about these. Did know old blue was heavier but that's about it. :)
 
victorcubed said:
Who cares? Things like this will only effect your game if you think it will.
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Things will AFFECT your game whether you like it or not.

Years ago i gambled at a room that opened in 1958.
They still had some of the original balls.
I made a proposition bet with a player who felt like you.
I used an old worn down object ball as a cue ball against
a new ball for a draw shot.
The other guy had to reverse the balls for his draw shot.
We had a long draw contest for $20 a shot.
He lost his last $380.
He now has a lot of respect for conditions.
 
Fatboy said:
I
... If you hold one of each up and drop them the red awalys bounces higher.

... the balls rest real nice and dont move-so I'm confident I set up a consistant enviormant to weigh my balls

...LOL college
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Balls are overrated, but you gotta have em.
 
Or

pt109 said:
Things will AFFECT your game whether you like it or not.

Years ago i gambled at a room that opened in 1958.
They still had some of the original balls.
I made a proposition bet with a player who felt like you.
I used an old worn down object ball as a cue ball against
a new ball for a draw shot.
The other guy had to reverse the balls for his draw shot.
We had a long draw contest for $20 a shot.
He lost his last $380.
He now has a lot of respect for conditions.
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your draw stroke. Maybe some of both.

Good story.
 
Cue balls

The surface of the white colored CB is rougher (which allows it to hold chalk marks easier and takes english more than the cream colored CB, which has to have a slicker surface). IMO

PS: I don't think one new ball is lighter than the other new ball, but a slicker CB WILL roll further on the surface AND applied english will NOT take as much on the slick CB.


gulfportdoc said:
Good test, FB. Like you, I believe that it's the surface polymer that influences the sensitivity of the CB.

I don't hear much talk about the blue circle. It would be interesting to have a test comparison between the Red Circle, Super Aramith, and the Measles cueballs.

The CBs with the snowy white finish seem to me to have the surface polymer that accounts for the "workability" of the ball. I see that more often in the Measles CB. The ones with the creamier color seem less sensitive, and as a result, heavier.

This subject comes up at least once every year. You'd think by now that we'd have definitive answers!:D Perhaps Bob J. or Dr. Dave have some actual facts available for us.

Doc
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I thought the only difference between a blue circle and red circle was that the blue circle cue balls were shipped with Centennials. I'll see if I can find my source.
 
nancewayne said:
The surface of the white colored CB is rougher (which allows it to hold chalk marks easier and takes english more than the cream colored CB, which has to have a slicker surface). IMO

PS: I don't think one new ball is lighter than the other new ball, but a slicker CB WILL roll further on the surface AND applied english will NOT take as much on the slick CB.
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The balls were just out of the polisher and wiped down, I made sure they were clean.


I dont have time right now to weigh balls:grin-square:, but when I do sometime next week I'm going to weigh lots of them. I have a set of balls from the 40's new in the box, I'm going to take a picture of them and post it with the weight results, I'm curious how consistant the ball weights were back then.

I have 4 sets of Centennials all from the same batch that have never been opened, I'm going to weight all of them and build a spread sheet and see just how consistant they are. I have a pile of old centennial balls form unknown dates that are beat to hell and back and i will weigh those too.


I am just curious about this and it goes real fast the way I set up the scales.


The new Aramith tournemnt Balls that comes with a CB with a horrible black logo on it is amazing. When we got the balls we looked at that CB and tossed it in the CB drawer thinking it was a POS. About a week later I was board and thought about trying it, and instantly loved it. So my friend who plays alot better than me saw it and thought the same thing.....POS, he loves it. SVB came to town and he really likes it as well. Its the best CB I have ever played with it goes through the OB real nice, I weighed it and it was the heavist of all the CB's I weighed last night but not by much.


So I'm thinking that the elasticity of the polymer has the biggest effect on play and weight is second therefore not as important, I am going to look at this more. I had alot of phtsics, chem, lab classes in school-about the only clases I liked and paid any mind to. There is nothing scientific here as there are alot af variables but i'm going to do my best to come up with a conclusion about balls.
 
Fatboy said:
I have been wanting to settle this in my mind for many years, as of right now I have awalys said the red circle and blue weigh the same-the only difference is the red circle is made of a more elastic polymer therefore bounces more-making it easier to draw your rock and harder to follow. I have said this for years and years. If you hold one of each up and drop them the red awalys bounces higher.


I was surfing the net looking for a scale to weigh cue on, i'm going to have a few cues for sale comming up. I'm going to reduce the number of cues I own but increase the level of cues I own over the next couple years, I needed a scale to weigh them on so if someone should ask I could answere.(No Szamboti's are going to be offered underany circumstances)


Back to Balls, I got my scales in today and I really like them I did'ny get analitical balances that cost $5,000 but I didnt get the 99 cent dope dealer scales either. I bought AWS American Weigh Scales-made in China of course. Model AMW-1000.


I have a whole lot of both CB's here to weigh, some are visiably smaller from use they are so old and some new out of the box, blue and red circle.


I got my scales out put little foam feet on the top of the scales that weigh .5 grams, Zeroed the scales. the balls rest real nice and dont move-so I'm confident I set up a consistant enviormant to weigh my balls.


The results:

New CB's weigh more than old used ones, and the color of the circle has nothing to do with the weight of the CB, thus giving me more imperical evidence that its the resin/polymer not weight that effects the diffeerence in play of the red circle and blue circle.


also I weighed all the balls in my set of the new Tournment Balls and most of them weighed exactly the same amount, I'm to sleepy tonight to put up numbers from this preliminary experment. When I get back to Vegas in a week I will weigh the balls and post them up here, I also have a few sets of never played with Centennials and I'm going to weigh them and post the numbers, I'll also take a pic of my rig I'm doing this with.


But for now we can be sure the red circle CB IS NOT LIGHTER THAN THE BLUE, it just meand you gotta work on your stroke if you want to draw the blue circle.:thumbup:

I feel like i'm in college wrighting a lab report up.LOL college
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Soooo, how much for the Szams????

Scott
 
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