Bonus Ball

[Fast Lenny]

If an employee at a Hilton told you to go **** yourself.....wouldn't you think twice about staying there? If Greg Sullivan or a diamond employee did the same, people would associate their behavior with Diamond products.

Like it or not, once you publicly associate yourself with a company, your actions are directly linked to this company.....officially or not.

After you publicly announce your professional affiliations you can no longer go around "talking like normal people" and expect no consequences.

If you're going to go around telling people to **** themselves, you should probably do so without people knowing who you work for.

This is why reputable companies have policies against this. Dana White is the president and part owner of the UFC.....that's a huge difference. He's suspended employees for making statements that made the company look bad.

But, like I said......keep talking guys, I'm sure people will be flocking to spend money after telling the customers to have sexual relations with themselves.

I sent you a PM with an apology for the name calling, you sir have publicly insulted me and your name calling on here publicly has been much worse over the years. You stated you hate Bonus Ball and are always posting negative about it and now are saying we lost your business, come on really? I do not want to argue with you but it gets old when its the same people stirring the pot.

First you disliked us being silent and then you disliked us posting on here to stop misinformation like you stating its been delayed a year. Sorry but if you want to insult my position for being a cameraman then I felt the need to insult you back, simple as that not everyone on here is multi-millionaires but most are working stiffs. Everyone knows who I am on here, but you make post with no name or backbone to it. I try to contribute positively to pool and have done so time and time again by streaming for FREE, donating money/product to causes, and being a solid member on the forum. I would suggest being a better forum member before coming on here trying to tell people how to act.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Think I have to side with va on this one. There are a handful of users here that I would love to tell to go &%^% themselves.

I just can't.

Mike

My apologies Mike, I did it via rep privately because of his insults. It is obvious the negativity oozes off this guy from his post over the years. Stepping away now and putting a muzzle on myself because I cannot post my opinions, input and countering misinformation as a forum member since I am an employee according to vapoolplayer.

 

[nathandumoulin]

Think I have to side with va on this one. There are a handful of users here that I would love to tell to go &%^% themselves.

I just can't.

Mike

lol, it definitely wasn't a good idea on Lenny's part, but I'm somewhat envious that he did it anyway.

On a side note, maybe we can get a sub forum for telling each other to go &^$@ each other? I could probably hit 5,000 posts pretty quickly if I had the proper outlet for it.

 

[azhousepro]

Lenny, it isn't even so much that you are "an employee" of bonus ball.

Personally, I think that if someone is going to step out of the "just a fan" mode and make an effort to be someone in this industry, then they need to behave as if they are representing this industry.

I feel that way about tour directors, cue makers, case makers, pro players, streamers, webmasters, pro shop operators, etc.

Just my opinion though. I could be wrong.

If someone thinks I am wrong, they can &%^% themselves.

Mike

 

[vapoolplayer]

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[azhousepro]

You may be on to something there.

Mike

lol, it definitely wasn't a good idea on Lenny's part, but I'm somewhat envious that he did it anyway.

On a side note, maybe we can get a sub forum for telling each other to go &^$@ each other? I could probably hit 5,000 posts pretty quickly if I had the proper outlet for it.

 

[vapoolplayer]

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[punter]

It seems to me BB was more convincing after he went postal, than before....hey, I'm a student of human moves.

And I think BB can flake on and off with the best of them.:grin-square:

 

[JB Cases]

Lenny, it isn't even so much that you are "an employee" of bonus ball.

Personally, I think that if someone is going to step out of the "just a fan" mode and make an effort to be someone in this industry, then they need to behave as if they are representing this industry.

I feel that way about tour directors, cue makers, case makers, pro players, streamers, webmasters, pro shop operators, etc.

Just my opinion though. I could be wrong.

If someone thinks I am wrong, they can &%^% themselves.

Mike

Agree but it's tough tough tough action in a place where not all libel and slander and defamation is treated equally.

It takes exceptional willpower to stay calm and professional in the face of unrelenting attacks.

I guess for me having had to fade all this and having been unprofessional myself more times than I can count it comes down to personal ability to withstand it. I realize that no one is going to protect me from malicious comments by people with nothing to lose.

So all I can do is try really hard to stay professional and calm and give them nothing to use against me. It's still tough but it works if you can do it.

That said I have been venting unprofessionally elsewhere.

The complete lack of respect some people have for others that allows them to lie and defame high profile members is sad but it's part of being on a forum. The fact that the vast majority of members here seem to be really cool and decent people far outweighs the "bad apple" minority for me.

My advice for all people in the business is that you can't have it both ways. You can't just be "one of the guys" and express yourself coarsely as you would at the corner bar on a public forum. You have to keep a certain level of decorum because you and the companies you represent are high-profile targets. Holding yourself above the fray with some degree of stoicism pays huge dividends.

Take it from someone who had to learn this the hard way. Be yourself at pro-karaoke after a few shots in the pool room and be professional on the forums.

 

[Banikane]

As an outsider looking in I must say BB seems like a pretty messed up organization. If any of my employees went off on any public forum acting like these morons they would be fired on the spot. Doesn't matter if they thought they were defending the company name.You don't need a signed paper to fire them for piss-poor conduct.

The best thing that could happen at this point is that whoever is in charge realizes they are not going to make any kind ROI and take the players they do have waiting to play and form a true mens tour. 8-ball would seem to draw the most interest. Even keep the team concept and have each team with its own set of home/away colored balls, so you could tell who was playing by the color of balls on the table. And similar to scotch doubles have a 4 to 8 man rotation like a baseball batting order, each shot is by the next player. That way the depth of the team matters.(a lot of people follow baseball and they could relate to this) That sounds way better than the orange/purple balls with pink felt and playing a game no one ever herd of-way to piss away a lot of money imo.

 

[PETROBOY]

What are the real hold ups of Bonus Ball now? Are all the permits in place? Is construction done? Where are the pictures of the venue? Many AZers followed dsorianos thread about his new pool room he built and we were all looking forward to his next update maybe posting pictures will help to bring some excitement to your product.

 

[azhousepro]

And I think part of the reason that John commented in this thread is because this is a conversation that he and I have had in the past.

Like I mentioned, I believe that people like John and myself and Lenny and a lot of others on this forum owe it to the game to hold themselves to a different level than the local guy on the corner (or this forum) who just wants to gripe about the game.

Because if those of us who are trying to do something positive don't treat the game with respect, then how can we expect anyone else to do so.

But I do understand where Lenny (and John) are coming from. There is always that idiot somewhere who gets his rocks off by trying to drag you down. John has those folks. Lenny has those folks. I imagine we all do.

Mike

Agree but it's tough tough tough action in a place where not all libel and slander and defamation is treated equally.

It takes exceptional willpower to stay calm and professional in the face of unrelenting attacks.

I guess for me having had to fade all this and having been unprofessional myself more times than I can count it comes down to personal ability to withstand it. I realize that no one is going to protect me from malicious comments by people with nothing to lose.

So all I can do is try really hard to stay professional and calm and give them nothing to use against me. It's still tough but it works if you can do it.

That said I have been venting unprofessionally elsewhere.

The complete lack of respect some people have for others that allows them to lie and defame high profile members is sad but it's part of being on a forum. The fact that the vast majority of members here seem to be really cool and decent people far outweighs the "bad apple" minority for me.

My advice for all people in the business is that you can't have it both ways. You can't just be "one of the guys" and express yourself coarsely as you would at the corner bar on a public forum. You have to keep a certain level of decorum because you and the companies you represent are high-profile targets. Holding yourself above the fray with some degree of stoicism pays huge dividends.

Take it from someone who had to learn this the hard way. Be yourself at pro-karaoke after a few shots in the pool room and be professional on the forums.

 

[azhousepro]

And I do not delete people from the forums for any reason. Well, almost any reason.

If you really want a "self ban", then change your email address on the forums to an address that doesn't exist. You will not be able to post until you reply to the email verification and you won't receive that since you entered a bogus email address.

But I don't delete accounts.

Mike

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Now to just make my list of users who can go &%^% themselves...

1. M.H.
2. F.L.G.
3. T.P.

Another outburst like this and I will ban you.

 

[JAM]

Lenny, it isn't even so much that you are "an employee" of bonus ball.

Personally, I think that if someone is going to step out of the "just a fan" mode and make an effort to be someone in this industry, then they need to behave as if they are representing this industry.

I feel that way about tour directors, cue makers, case makers, pro players, streamers, webmasters, pro shop operators, etc.

Just my opinion though. I could be wrong.

My thoughts have always been that industry members should not bash other industry members in this open forum, even though I have seen it happen more often than I'd like. :frown:

As well, some industry members very rarely, and sometimes never, post on AzBilliards Discussion Forum, and, in this regard, I understand why. Some have shared with me that they do read this forum, lurking, so to speak, but have never posted one word.

As I am sure most "regular" readers of this forum are aware, some industry members -- not all -- use this forum as an advertisement vehicle. It has been debated that this should not be allowed, yet some forum members who are industry members advertise here almost daily and are never criticized for doing so. Not sure why that is, why some get a free pass and others don't.

In today's pool world, industry members sponsor other industry members. I see this as people working together to promote the game/sport as a whole. Since I am *not* an industry member, my allegiance and interests lie more with the players themselves; in particular, the professional players, who have very little support. There are some who believe the pro players don't deserve it.

As Lou Butera once said, the industry members should be hosting a tour of tournaments, i.e., the Brunswick Open, Predator Championship, Diamond All-Around, Simonis Round Robin, Master's World Masters. Most events today have an industry member giving another industry member a chunk of money, and by the time it trickles down to the pro player, well, the industry members profit, and the pro player must win, place, or show to break even or come out ahead in the tournament. All the rest of the tournament competitors are stuck a dime or more before they hit the first ball. Even the tournament directors make more money than most pro players today at events.

BB has limited itself to Canada and the United States with a game that is unfamiliar with the majority of pool aficionados. The IPT's platform was to use a game (8-ball) that indeed was familiar with pool aficonados, but they were going to take their tour on a global scale. Dead money, like the multiple millions of dollars Kevin Trudeau infused into pool, didn't work, so money ain't the answer.

The pro-caliber players are starving for a form of income in pool that will allow them to make ends meet. Just like the sacrifices the IPT players made investing themselves in Kevin Trudeau's vision, so too are the pro-caliber players today that are following the BB platform. Of course, those involved with BB behind the scenes want BB to succeed. In this regard, BB has a very tough road to hoe.

If someone thinks I am wrong, they can &%^% themselves.

The way I communicate this thought is to tell the offending party that they can shove it where the sun don't shine. It illustrates one's thoughts clearly, without using a curse word. :smile:

 

[lfigueroa]

Not everything has to be "official" or about Bonus Ball. We're real people, who before all this, we're also forum members. We posted like normal people prior, and will continue to post like normal people both during and after.

Dana White of the UFC says dumb shit all the time. He's a real guy, makes mistakes, and speaks his mind. There's nothing official about him. Not every company needs to be run by people in suits pretending that they're perfect.

The point is that not everything needs to be "official." However *something* does, so there's a point of reference within the discussion as to what's really going on. That has been lacking and is a problem, not for those of us running things through the AZ meat grinder, but for BB. Without some kind of "official word" all BB ends up with is bad, often times conflicting, info on the street and that does not help their cause. It also makes the operation look unprofessional, IMO.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Ghosst]

...if someone is going to make an effort to be someone in this industry, then they need to behave as if they are representing this industry.

Given the level of the players posting here, everyone should behave like they are representing the industry, because we do. The league players who lurk here, bar room players like PK, the casual observers; they all look up to us. We don't always shine.

It also makes the operation look unprofessional, IMO.

It hasn't looked anything but. The gimmicks were a turn off, but when someone posted, "neener, neener, we payed our players to sit, no one else has ever paid a pool player, so we rock!" it went downhill for me right there. The game itself isn't my cup of tea, but think of the number of sponsorships that could have been paid out with this 1.3 million that keeps getting thrown around and they could have done a lot more for the pool world. As it is, maybe Justin can pickup some used camera equipment for cheap.


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[justadub]

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Pulling "a Neil" on us?

 

[Black-Balled]

I actually was told the IPT prodigy, Kim Spies was now our PR spokesperson. Is this true? Is KT also joining the club!? IPT, Brittnay Blair, tables from

Asia and opening several companies to bring in shareholders to not lose control!

WOW, let's add, take over your executive vice-presidents shares! :angry: Come on!!! What a PR disaster from hell!

I just want a fair buy-out if your going to steal my shares, start up more corporations to raise funds and have anybody you want do my job. PLEASE, put the players money in trust!

That way, if you fail, I won't be part of the pain you are going to cause! This is my final plea to bring some peace in the corporate community.

I also want this to succeed! It was my hard work that got Larry to having this concept. His concepts never worked and that's why Bonus Ball sat on the shelf for years. I think I would enjoy

seeing it play out one season at least! I perfected the game and I ran all the test tournaments to mould the bugs out of it. I spent the time and a lot of it! I gave up 30 percent of

my shares to bring in the first two investors and Im a lot pissed off that he decided to try and grab my final 20 percent to people I have never met!


It is morally wrong if not illegal. Most won't argue that if any of this that I say is true. It is! Is that slander? :sorry:

10-6 really...Lenny can't be that bad! LOL Please Cleary, can you post me something funny to make my day! I love the your art work! How about a new logo for the

Tampa Bay Babooms!

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There is only one liar on this forum. That has to be me, but really am not a liar...I said I don't know if he has the money or not! He won't show me! Larry won't speak to me. Yes, he yelled at me for telling players I don't know if there is a million dollars there for you! He sent me a letter from his lawyer suing me into the ground. Nathan, Fast Eddie, Dan Lewis, Brittney, Dave McColl and anybody else who thinks they may have a job if this launches won't confirm he has the million dollars. Ask yourself this, what the hell is a 56 year old, well educated, great pool player standing up and being a dam liar! It is not something I need to do but Tommy Kennedy, Stevie Moore, Lee Brett, Brandon Shuff and many others are losing money here and hurting. It is dam well all I can stand! Players, ask for your cash in trust. Free great advice!

Eric...I could use your business and legal advice here....
barry@playbonusball.com

Thank you Jimmy G...**Threat removed my admin**

Barry has left us for a while due to threats and possibly libelous messages in this thread.

Now, everyone play nice.

Mike

 

[Banks]

Got any veggie sticks? I'm trying to lose a few pounds and could do without the buttery popcorn.

If I start up a pool forum league, will you be the first person to drop off my team, BB?