They switched to saluc manufacturing them roughly 20 years ago. Prior different manufacturing and formula.
That formula and ball predates modern simonios cloth. All mud cloth or bar box cloth! FYI
Kd
Cyclops vs brunswick & aramith
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That formula and ball predates modern simonios cloth. All mud cloth or bar box cloth! FYI
Kd
...But Lou is right though...
Imo This is also right...
"Personally, I thought the Cyclops balls played great, especially on the bar tables. I think the cue ball plays a hair light. However, I don't think anyone can argue that the tolerances are tighter with Cyclop than with any other ball. Pretty much every set is within 1 gram. That is pretty damn good in my book. "
Some 'Pros' need a new excuses to explain away their 'lack of recent competitive genuineness'. Age/slowing mental processes/ life etc can be a ***** for people not willing to accept the obvious. What better excuse to attack a new product than to not look in the mirror. Personally I think the traditional ball color Cyclop set are awesome. The CB definitely plays (feels) lighter for about 10 minutes (not to much different than humidity/temp issues) but like playing with a different butt it seems to all blend when your stroke 'settles in'.
The only 'roll off' issues I've seen are table mechanic problems... thread grain pulled uneven, table level issues, seam issues etc. The balls are definitely round and go where i shoot them (usually in a hole :smile
all esle being the same. Thanks goes to Greg et al at Diamond for stepping up and trying to make our sport better for more people to enjoy.
Now if we can just get the 9 ball rules fixed... NO PISS IN'S... there is no room in professional level play for this nonsense... THAT is really what leaves a bad taste in EVERYONE'S mouth about pool tournaments AND great action matches... If you need a REAL reason to not play... this is it. Like the equipment, THE SPORT needs to mature. Stop supporting bad pool. Stop rewarding players for 'poor performance'... Change the rules/ Change the game before all is lost due to 'lack of respect' for the game itself.
Randy
Imo This is also right...
"Personally, I thought the Cyclops balls played great, especially on the bar tables. I think the cue ball plays a hair light. However, I don't think anyone can argue that the tolerances are tighter with Cyclop than with any other ball. Pretty much every set is within 1 gram. That is pretty damn good in my book. "
Some 'Pros' need a new excuses to explain away their 'lack of recent competitive genuineness'. Age/slowing mental processes/ life etc can be a ***** for people not willing to accept the obvious. What better excuse to attack a new product than to not look in the mirror. Personally I think the traditional ball color Cyclop set are awesome. The CB definitely plays (feels) lighter for about 10 minutes (not to much different than humidity/temp issues) but like playing with a different butt it seems to all blend when your stroke 'settles in'.
The only 'roll off' issues I've seen are table mechanic problems... thread grain pulled uneven, table level issues, seam issues etc. The balls are definitely round and go where i shoot them (usually in a hole :smile
all esle being the same. Thanks goes to Greg et al at Diamond for stepping up and trying to make our sport better for more people to enjoy. Now if we can just get the 9 ball rules fixed... NO PISS IN'S... there is no room in professional level play for this nonsense... THAT is really what leaves a bad taste in EVERYONE'S mouth about pool tournaments AND great action matches... If you need a REAL reason to not play... this is it. Like the equipment, THE SPORT needs to mature. Stop supporting bad pool. Stop rewarding players for 'poor performance'... Change the rules/ Change the game before all is lost due to 'lack of respect' for the game itself.
Randy
Yes, they banked crazy short AND they rolled off cross table on the end rails because they didn't build in enough support for the slate.
But they fixed it.
And if there are issue with Cyclop balls those will get fix too. But keep in mind that the big issue to date has been about skids and skids are caused by high friction at the contact point, usually by a chalk mark between the CB and OB. Also keep in mind that there are way more players nowadays using high adhesion chalk that practically goes on like lipstick and so there is more chalk on the CB today than in past years. And, there is also the issue of phenolic break tips which are super hard and over time can start to rough up the CB, also causing more friction. None of this is peculiar to Cyclop balls, but because they are being used more frequently in more tournaments, guys are mistakenly ascribing a problem to the balls when it's actually something else.
Lou Figueroa
Exactly. Not only the banking, but trying to get good position coming off the rail was murder, or trying slow roll the cue ball against a rail to play safe. I didn't like diamonds until they came out with the blue label........the red label 7 footers is like playing pin ball
By the way, I am the one that deemed the Cyclop set the Skittle set
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=4283259&highlight=skittle#post4283259
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=4283259&highlight=skittle#post4283259
RBC
Deceased
Exactly. Not only the banking, but trying to get good position coming off the rail was murder, or trying slow roll the cue ball against a rail to play safe. I didn't like diamonds until they came out with the blue label........the red label 7 footers is like playing pin ball
I can remember back many years ago at one of our local season ending tournaments. It was hosted at a hotel, and the diamonds were brought in. Along one wall, there were several tables that bounced crazy hard. If you hit the cue ball into the end rail with any speed, it would actually jump coming off the rail. After looking at it more closely, I saw that on these tables, the cloth was pulled too tight on the rails, pulling the nose of the rail rubber down too low. Once I knew what to look for, it was actually visible. I showed it to the guys who brought in the tables, and he tested it out for himself and agreed. He told me he would pass the information up to the guys at the factory.
About a year later, during one of the Derby City events, I went up north and toured the Diamond factory. During the tour, when we got to the area where they were recovering the rails, I asked about what I had seen at our tournament. Chad Scharlow, the VP of Diamond, was giving the tour and told me that when they heard of that issue, they researched it, verified the issue, and put in additional training to correct the problem and QC inspections to make sure it doesn't continue.
This is an example of how to properly identify, address, and solve a problem. It works very well and very quickly. If I had gone to facebook and blasted everyone involved, there would still be people blaming missed position on the yahoo at the factory that doesn't know how to put cloth on a rail. Even though the problem would have been fixed many years ago.
Royce
From a Wiki article posted by Bob Jewett, the Albany-Hyatt Billiard Ball Company went out of business in 1986, so the switch to Saluc as the manufacturer of Centennials probably occurred no later than that.
Diamond has been in business 30 years! The red label change to blue was only 3/4 years ago! 27/26 years of inaccurate playing conditions is acceptable???
Get them to acknowledge and fix has been the problem! Now, balls were not broke and they introduced experimental balls! Then get mad when people say there is something wrong with them in exactly the same manner they complained about the balls banking funny.
It has also been disclosed that the factory had the rail cloth installed too tight and lowered the cushion height to the wrong level!!!
So many problems! A poor pro walks into a "funny" playing table and get labeled "crazy."
To only have to wait 26 years for the factory to acknowledge the product they put out was in fact faulty!!! Ops!!! Vindicated on page 12 in some obscure publication no one ever heard of and on the extreme down low!
Why must their product be so different? I would buy diamond solely due to its support of pro pool! Using superspeed cushions cut at the same angle, green cloth and suluc balls is not a minus but a plus!
The marketing department should never trump the opinions of pro players with years of knowledge and experience like they do with the diamond company!
Kd
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I am glad to see there are others out there not drinking the blue cloth Kool-Aide. Way back in the history of human evolution we were hunter/gatherers. For the hunter to be successful and have food in his stomach he had to have good eyesight. This included being able to visualize movement within many varying shades of natural green color. Human evolution developed mans ability to see more different shades of green than any other color in the spectrum.
Actually this short article disputes that. Males excelled at picking out moving objects and females had better color contrast abilities.
Whatever the technical answers are, for my part I prefer playing on blue cloth everything appears brighter then playing on green cloth.
http://scitechdaily.com/females-distinguish-colors-better-while-men-excel-at-tracking-fast-moving-objects/
Whatever the technical answers are, for my part I prefer playing on blue cloth everything appears brighter then playing on green cloth.
http://scitechdaily.com/females-distinguish-colors-better-while-men-excel-at-tracking-fast-moving-objects/
Unfortunately, the Camel Tour didn't pay their prize money
Yes, they did have that additional prize fund. The relationship ended in a lawsuit that the PBTA reportedly won. I actually have a copy of the legal documents from the lawsuit, they're on my home computer.
Unfortunately, the Camel Tour didn't pay their prize money.....for the first 4 tournaments, how do you think this went over? Was it the pro's fault? Not at all, Jose Parica is still owed close to $50,000 after having the best overall performance.
Yes, they did have that additional prize fund. The relationship ended in a lawsuit that the PBTA reportedly won. I actually have a copy of the legal documents from the lawsuit, they're on my home computer.
Unfortunately, the Camel Tour didn't pay their prize money.....for the first 4 tournaments, how do you think this went over? Was it the pro's fault? Not at all, Jose Parica is still owed close to $50,000 after having the best overall performance.
Sorry sir, but you are mistaken in my opinion!
Here is why in this thread!!!
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=352450
I only looked into it because I have astigmatism and blue hurt my eyes more then the green!
KD
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If all PGA players played the exact same ball it would not change the results of any tournament one bit. Your argument here is completely flawed. They allow the players to play with their choice of ball BECAUSE of the money. It benefits the players and the tournaments because it puts more money into the game as a whole. Sponsorship money or donated equipment from cyclop is helping rooms/promoters host events and put money into the game!
The problem with pool is you are playing against someone else that is playing with the exact same balls as you so unfortunately for pool players the money goes to the venue for using certain equipment. Considering how thin the margins are for making a profit off of hosting an event you are damn right that little bit of money for using certain balls, tables, etc. In the end every little bit counts and in some cases Im sure the extra little bit of money you are referring to could be the difference between having the event at all.
Everyone is playing on the same table with the same balls so if you cant adjust to the conditions then maybe you should just quit or step up your game. Either way I could care less but at least come up with a valid point next time.
Did you even read and comprehend what the graph was depicting in the link you provided?
They were showing the ability to differentiate between colored wavelenghts of light under two conditions, bright and dark.
When in a darker environment the receptors for red and green turn off, and blue dominates.
That is what the graph shows. So how does this in any way prove that blue cloth is inferior to green?????
BTW the poll in your thread did not support your opinion either.
Need I mention that 8 - 10 percent of the male population is red-green colorblind. How does green cloth impact their color perception?
https://www.nde-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/PenetrantTest/Introduction/lightresponse.htm
They were showing the ability to differentiate between colored wavelenghts of light under two conditions, bright and dark.
When in a darker environment the receptors for red and green turn off, and blue dominates.
That is what the graph shows. So how does this in any way prove that blue cloth is inferior to green?????
BTW the poll in your thread did not support your opinion either.
Need I mention that 8 - 10 percent of the male population is red-green colorblind. How does green cloth impact their color perception?
https://www.nde-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/PenetrantTest/Introduction/lightresponse.htm
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Its a long thread and a lot of info. It does say green is superior! Others have been able to locate and discern that green is superior. I am Mobil and on phone which limits my response.
Kd
Well when you get to a computer read your research and thread again.
Twice as many members selected blue in your poll.
Twice as many members selected blue in your poll.
JC
Coos Cues
I'm a professional in identifying excuses. Been watching people blaming someone or something for their shortcomings for all of my 55 years. And it's getting worse.
JC
Wasn't that PBT's last year ? The year after that Camel took over .
If you were Camel, would have written a check payable to PBT ?
You know who the head of the PBT was.
I just looked at the graph that reads at 550 under normal and dark conditions the green spectrum above is at 100% while blue and other colors are at a much lower level near 70% for blue under normal light and 90% under dark conditions!
It does show and state green is superior based on the cones in the human eye!
The poll was posted prior to disclosure of the findings in the study. Many changed their mind after reading and investigating. Stated so in the thread!
Kd
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