Deep pockets...is this unusual?
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sde said:
Seriously Deep! Maybe a little too deep, when a ball can be hidden in the jaws and you can't hit it with the cue ball on the long rail.
jay helfert said:
Thanks Jay for confirming what I had always thought. It does add a new dimension to the game when you can play safe by hanging a ball in the pocket!
The room where I play my league has 13 tables exactly like this with 3 more in storage that they set up for the APA cities.
Steve
I guess you won't be going rail first on any hangers, eh?!
Just running a ball down the rail would be tough without it rattleing in the pocket. Looks like you could almost park a Volkswagon on the shelf between the jaws.
When I played at Guppies, in Holland, Mi, all thier 7ft tables had the deep pocket cut.
and the 9ft's were the Pro-am's. And those where tough as hell trying to send a ball down the rail lol. I had nightmares about trying to send a ball down the rail, even when you think you'd hit the ball perfect, it would rattle.
But hey, it was fun playing on those tables.
and the 9ft's were the Pro-am's. And those where tough as hell trying to send a ball down the rail lol. I had nightmares about trying to send a ball down the rail, even when you think you'd hit the ball perfect, it would rattle.
But hey, it was fun playing on those tables.
dabarbr said:
I don't think either one of those balls, sitting by themselves, could be dug out of that pocket!
Scott Lee
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I know Mr. Lee. I was just kidding. This was always my complaint about the older Diamond tables. The only good deep pockets are the ones that you can sue.Scott Lee said:I don't think either one of those balls, sitting by themselves, could be dug out of that pocket!
Scott Lee
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cubc said:
Actually ball shot down the rail, even at warp speed, will go in as long as it stays on the rail. If a ball is more than an inch or so from the rail and a couple of feet from the pocket hits the rail before the pocket it will bobble and sit in the jaws if hit with speed.
The balls pictured are the extreme example, usually they are not in that deep, but even still it is impossible to hit them rail first. And if you can hit them rail first quite often the cue ball will hit the point, which makes playing position very difficult.
Everyone complained at first but now after 3 or 4 years people just accept it as the norm. Even the away teams do not pi$$ and moan as loudly as they once did.
Steve
slate depth
I'd sure like some more information on the location of these tables........We did have very deep shelves on our first 7 ft tables.......... What happened was I didn't take into account that when you make the pocket opening larger, this allows the ball to set deeper in the pockets due to the curved slate shelf. .......... When you place an object ball as deep as possible in the pocket against the facing and sight down the rail our spec is 40% of the ball must be visible......... Most of our tables sold are pro specs 4 1/2" and by increasing the pocket size for the 7 ft. tables reduced the amount of ball visible to about 30%, which makes it too difficult....But even saying that, We've never made a table that when the cue ball is frozen on the rail and the object ball is as deep as possible....that it couldn't be hit directly..... Would you sight down the rail on the 13 ball side and tell me how much ball is visible as I can't tell for sure with the tape measure in the picture. From the picture above it looks like it is more like 25% or less, just like to know....Also if the mechanic wishes to change the pocket depth and make it not so deep this is a relatively easy procedure; adding depth is much harder. He can call me at 812-989-6665 for instructions.......Greg/Diamond
I'd sure like some more information on the location of these tables........We did have very deep shelves on our first 7 ft tables.......... What happened was I didn't take into account that when you make the pocket opening larger, this allows the ball to set deeper in the pockets due to the curved slate shelf. .......... When you place an object ball as deep as possible in the pocket against the facing and sight down the rail our spec is 40% of the ball must be visible......... Most of our tables sold are pro specs 4 1/2" and by increasing the pocket size for the 7 ft. tables reduced the amount of ball visible to about 30%, which makes it too difficult....But even saying that, We've never made a table that when the cue ball is frozen on the rail and the object ball is as deep as possible....that it couldn't be hit directly..... Would you sight down the rail on the 13 ball side and tell me how much ball is visible as I can't tell for sure with the tape measure in the picture. From the picture above it looks like it is more like 25% or less, just like to know....Also if the mechanic wishes to change the pocket depth and make it not so deep this is a relatively easy procedure; adding depth is much harder. He can call me at 812-989-6665 for instructions.......Greg/Diamond
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Greg/Diamond said:
Greg...I think these tables are in or near Grand Rapids, MI. It's really great to have you as a resource here, available to answer questions, and/or address issues with your superior product. Hope things go very well with the Q Olympics!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Greg/Diamond said:
Thanks for the reply!
The tables are in "The Break Room", Grand Rapids, MI, 616-454-0899. I will give your number to the room owner tomorrow morning.
I will also take some pictures at different angles to try and show you % that you are looking for and post them after league on Tuesday night.
Steve
sate depthsl
Thank you for the information. I do remember these first 7 ft. tables. This brings up a good point and lesson that I learned which may be interesting to some AZers.........Whenever you change you're pocket opening size it also changes you're slate depth!!!
When I first made a 7ft it was my intension to make the pocket size just like my 9ft. which included the same slate depth. I was working with the APA (Terry Bell) and he believed that the pro spec pocket size would be too demanding for his players and hinder his ranking system. I agreed the pockets needed to be larger, but not as large as he wanted. He won out as I felt it very important to work with the APA and believed that in time the correct opening size would be determined.
As you can see in the above pictures the pocket opening from tip to tip is huge IMO. If you would place the balls allowing the line from tip to tip to bisect the stripes; also keeping each ball touching one tip we could see and you would measure the distance between the balls giving us the pocket size for this table.
Point is that if you reduced the pocket openings on this table the slate depth would be fine. But increasing the pocket openings will finally reach the point where the object balls set too far in the pocket.
sde said:
Thank you for the information. I do remember these first 7 ft. tables. This brings up a good point and lesson that I learned which may be interesting to some AZers.........Whenever you change you're pocket opening size it also changes you're slate depth!!!
When I first made a 7ft it was my intension to make the pocket size just like my 9ft. which included the same slate depth. I was working with the APA (Terry Bell) and he believed that the pro spec pocket size would be too demanding for his players and hinder his ranking system. I agreed the pockets needed to be larger, but not as large as he wanted. He won out as I felt it very important to work with the APA and believed that in time the correct opening size would be determined.
As you can see in the above pictures the pocket opening from tip to tip is huge IMO. If you would place the balls allowing the line from tip to tip to bisect the stripes; also keeping each ball touching one tip we could see and you would measure the distance between the balls giving us the pocket size for this table.
Point is that if you reduced the pocket openings on this table the slate depth would be fine. But increasing the pocket openings will finally reach the point where the object balls set too far in the pocket.
Pocket depth
That is what people do not understand. They all wonder why a 4.5" pocket plays tougher than a 4.25" pocket sometimes. The tighter you make the pocket the less pocket shelf you have left, so the pocket does not seem to be as deep.
Steve
That is what people do not understand. They all wonder why a 4.5" pocket plays tougher than a 4.25" pocket sometimes. The tighter you make the pocket the less pocket shelf you have left, so the pocket does not seem to be as deep.
Steve
