One time, I shot a ball into a place on the pool table where there was no pocket and it remained on the table. It that what you all refer to as a "miss"? That happened to me once a couple of years ago...
Diamond Rails Causing Balls to Miss?
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I've never played on a GC, but I love the Diamond tables. IMO it makes you up your game a little bit by putting a premium on speed and accuracy. I don't think a table can make you miss, after all is said and done you are the one that missed the shot. Play the shot properly and you shouldn't miss.
The other side of this is that if you make a conscious mental note that the table is tough, and you are going to miss if you do this or that...... it can be a self fulfilling prophecy. Focus on pocketing the balls and taking them off the table with the correct angle to easily get to the next ball and the game will be a bit easier on you mentally.
Its like going into a fight thinking about how tough your opponent is and how bad you are going to get hurt if you do the wrong thing. Its counter productive to your cause.
Thinking solely about doing the right thing and winning seems to be harder for some folks than others though. :grin-square:
Chuck
Its like going into a fight thinking about how tough your opponent is and how bad you are going to get hurt if you do the wrong thing. Its counter productive to your cause.
Thinking solely about doing the right thing and winning seems to be harder for some folks than others though. :grin-square:
Chuck
This thread is over a year old, lol, wtf? :grin:
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You should watch the video of Fast Lenny playin one hole and running 12 balls out. Im pretty sure the dude knows how to play shots properly, lol. He wasnt talking about the table being tougher, he was talking about them playing different, which they do. We just had all new Diamond rubber put on the GC2s at my union hall, and they play totally different than they did with the Brunswick rubber. Banking on Diamond rails compared to banking on 30 year old sponge rails will have you scratching your head for at least a few days until you get used to it. Then, when I go play on the GCs at the pool hall, its the same scenario, not harder or tighter, just different.
Joe
Diamond rails
I keep having a problem with balls down the rail frozen or just off the rail on Diamonds. If the ball touches the rail near the pocket even at pocket speed it bobbles, if I hit it with spin when frozen on rail with enough stroke to get to the other end it bobbles even when hit perfectly, If I shoot the ball into the facing, even with correct spin to help it go in it pops out I also noticed if I shoot hard at a straight in ball and it goes center pocket , that pops out also. Are all of these normal Diamond actions or could the tables be set up incorrectly, it's not just one but several ?
I keep having a problem with balls down the rail frozen or just off the rail on Diamonds. If the ball touches the rail near the pocket even at pocket speed it bobbles, if I hit it with spin when frozen on rail with enough stroke to get to the other end it bobbles even when hit perfectly, If I shoot the ball into the facing, even with correct spin to help it go in it pops out I also noticed if I shoot hard at a straight in ball and it goes center pocket , that pops out also. Are all of these normal Diamond actions or could the tables be set up incorrectly, it's not just one but several ?
Line 4 balls up in a row frozen to the rail, shoot the 4 ball combination as hard as you want, if the first ball goes into the pocket and stays down...then the problem is you, and not the table!
Diamond Rails
Thanks, I respect your knowledge sir. How about the straight in shot that pops back out.I have had it happen with a good stroke and not shooting hard at all ? Is it possible the ball got airborne a bit {dirt chalk etc} and is hitting the pocket on an imperceptable bounce?
Line 4 balls up in a row frozen to the rail, shoot the 4 ball combination as hard as you want, if the first ball goes into the pocket and stays down...then the problem is you, and not the table!
Thanks, I respect your knowledge sir. How about the straight in shot that pops back out.I have had it happen with a good stroke and not shooting hard at all ? Is it possible the ball got airborne a bit {dirt chalk etc} and is hitting the pocket on an imperceptable bounce?
If you were shooting with extreme draw with a hard stroke...yes the cue ball is airborne at the moment it comes into contact with the object ball, causing it to be airborne as well, hitting the back of the pocket high and coming back out.
Try the same shot with follow english and see if the ball pops back out, it won't...because its not airborne
If you were shooting with extreme draw with a hard stroke...yes the cue ball is airborne at the moment it comes into contact with the object ball, causing it to be airborne as well, hitting the back of the pocket high and coming back out.
Try the same shot with follow english and see if the ball pops back out, it won't...because its not airborne
I have another question. I have played on some Diamond bar tables here in AZ that the balls jump off the rails at almost any speed? what causes this?
I would guess rails too low. Johnnyt
They came from diamond and havent had the rails done yet. At first they were fine and played good, now it seems like they gain speed off the rail and hop lol.
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I remember Earl Strickland and I having a conversation at the 2003 Derby City Classic in Louisville about this very topic of Diamond rails.
He was practicing for the banks tournament. He stated that the only way he could succeed in a bank shot was to bank it a half-inch shorter than he would on a GC. According to Earl, the Diamond tables bank a half-inch short.
I'm not sure about this theory myself, so please don't kill the messenger. I'm just relaying what Earl said about the Diamond tables and banking balls. Interestingly, Lou F. claimed the exact same thing as Earl in a post written on another bulletin board that same year.
If in doubt....just aim for center pocket
A friend of mine used to refer to Gandy's as an "in-rail" table and GC's as "out-rail" tables. He said to aim for the for the long rail just before the corner pocket when cutting the ball down the down the long rail (on the Gandy's). And with the GC's, cut the ball more toward the short rail without touching the long rail. So, I told him the Diamond's are neither of those, so they must be center pocket tables.
I'd love to answer that question, as I do know the answer
but I'm not at liberty to disclose that...at this time....Diamond has addressed the issue with my consulting...and has made some changes lets put it that way