"Fatboy" Productions presents...(very serious post pls read)

[tucson9ball]

Pool

It sounds like your business savvy is thinking outside the box. I like that. If you can get things going I think it will be great. If you treat it like a business and it makes money well........thats an added bonus. If players can pay there entries and be guaranteed to receive winnings they will come. Players will turn out for big tournaments if they know the money is good.
If you are the President of this Co. then I beleive most folks would expect you to be paid. Nobody works for free. I wish you all the luck on this venture, great idea so far.:thumbup:

 

[JoeW]

I guess you could say there was something wrong with Forest Gump or the fellow in Sling Blade. Evaluations of people in one area relative to another area are not worth making or

"You can't judge a book by its cover."

I have tested more than one person with 160+ IQ serving a life sentence !

 

[tanco]

I Know Dana real good, had dinnere with him many many times, remember I owned a boxing radio show for years, I paid and still do very careful attention to what he created-and UFC sucks now-its fake as WWF wrestling but that sells too.

Care to elaborate on the UFC being fake? I asked you this in the past when you made this claim but you did not answer.

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

I guess you could say there was something wrong with Forest Gump or the fellow in Sling Blade. Evaluations of people in one area relative to another area are not worth making or

"You can't judge a book by its cover."

You certainly can't rule Fatboy out.
Why, I remember Fatboy from a previous role: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2rf9KKuxQI

Doug

 

[Luxury]

There are many of us that believe you are the "Chosen One". I know you can pull it off. Be sure to use my idea of a Johnny Archer/Shanelle Lorraine vs Earl Strickland/omgwtf scotch double challenge match for the cash.

Remember it doesn't have to always be about traditional tournaments.

 

["T"]

If you can make any money at it, then great!!

If you can jumpstart a model that can work for you and everyone involved, then not only will it be a huge success for you, but a huge success for the game.

If you throw a lot of dollars at it, and through no ones fault, you're the only one who wind up losing, you actually may be doing more harm to the game than good, no matter how much fun you had.

Now if someone threw a party once in a while, with a big hyped matchup, with a dozen or so specially invited guests, top notch camera crew, to something like pool's version of the Playboy mansion,(The proverbial grotto would instead be an impeccably maintained 9' Diamond Pro, lol) maybe you might have something that that would help you, the game, and no one else would be able to duplicate it?

Ahh, just ramblin'

Good Luck!

 

[TATE]

Chris with all due respect what I'm going to d oisnt going to be a small biz, I stopped doing them years ago. public companys have no problems with being public, should Ido something its size will land in the middle-and As I stated its iopen to the principlals not the audience.

Well, profit is good and if you can make it a profitable venture, and everybody is happy with the outcome, whatever you make should be fine. I hope you shoot for the stars, celebrities and big name sponsors.

Chris

 

[ironman]

Peer,

I understand where you're coming from. Fatboy's command of the englsh language (or spelling) may not be that great. But he has a love for the game played at it's highest level. Thats is a proven fact. If he is willing to take a gamble on Pro-pool being successful, why would anyone knock it ?
Are you saying he has no chance to succeed ? He will give it a better shot than KT did, and I think he will be honest in his dealings with everybody.

Dick

PS. And Peer, I admire you for your succeses in America, but please don't put someone down, for trying his best, to improve our sport.

Dick

Ain't it the truth. We have had enough of the smooth talking bullshit artist.

 

[Neil]

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[WoodyJ]

More power to you big guy and best of luck in your endeavor.

The primary thought I've got at this time is to wonder how you are going to get people to want to watch your events on TV/internet (both free and pay per view like the UFC model and like the poker channels on TV and the corresponding free internet gaming sites with the pros playing cyber games with you). Seems to me you need to draw the TV/internet audience in so they have something they want to watch/play:

(1) Pool tournaments themselves (boring for bangers who don't want to improve their own pool game and a snooze fest for normal non-pool people -- thus, not enough interest alone!).

(2) Reality show like the UFC house for up and coming pros (would give people who want to improve their real skills drills and exercises to work on themselves -- like the top pros are coaching their teams of up and comers to do on TV).

(3) Let people who don't play real pool also compete with on-line pool arcade matches with their computers and the internet.

(4) Give people chips (real or cyberspace) and let them bet on the real matches. That way the real entrants could make money on the side-bets also. That would keep everyone interested in all the matches and their outcomes and just because you win the real tournament doesn't mean that you would walk away with the most money (yeah, you might be required to bet on yourself when you play so you don't purposefully take a dive in a match; but, if you were forced to bet on all matches someone who didn't do as well as you could still walk away with more $ at the end of the tournament).

(5) Somehow recruit from the army of league players to do outreach work to local middle schools and high schools to draw kids into the sport (real and cyberspace). Billiards equipment sponsors would hopefully be persuaded to donate/sell cheap to schools/colleges. Get teams going from the schools.

 

[Blackjack]

I Know Dana real good had dinnere with him many many times, remember I owned a boxing radio show for years, I paid and still do very careful attention to what he created-and UFC sucks now-its fake as WWF wrestling but that sells too.

Just FTR... Wrestling is predetermined, not fake. When you land, it hurts. I have the scars, injuries, and nagging, lifelong, chronic pain to prove that.

Did you see Leben's face after Bisping got done with it? I'm not sure how they faked that, but if you say so ... lol

 

[Fatboy]

Just FTR... Wrestling is predetermined, not fake. When you land, it hurts. I have the scars, injuries, and nagging, lifelong, chronic pain to prove that.

Did you see Leben's face after Bisping got done with it? I'm not sure how they faked that, but if you say so ... lol

i have a friend who wrestled for WWE, i did his steroid planning, its not awalys predetermined-usually is.

 

[Ktown D]

i have a friend who wrestled for WWE, i did his steroid planning, its not awalys predetermined-usually is.

I have a buddy, John Condrone, who wrestled WCW for years and he told me how the gig went. Everyone knew who would win, but the way it goes down is up to the guys in the ring. I'm not arguing with you big guy, but if your buddy said the outcome isn't determined in advance he is misleading you.

The action and the pain is real but the drama is very much staged.

 

[swami4u]

Steve...Savvy businessman? Trudeau was, and is, a crook...plain and simple. His business tactics in other areas prove that beyond the shadow of a doubt. He never had any intentions of following through, for the benefit of the players. His ONLY goal was to sell off the IPT to an international gambling concern...and, no doubt, for a very comfortable profit for himself.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I don't know this guy, and have no reason to hate/doubt him in any way....
What i don't understand... i have seen pics of your home,cars, ect ect....
I have read over the years many post also....I like what i hear about
helping pool, running a super hall, running a super charged tournament, ect ect....And i believe these are all valid ideas, that he wants to do. I have no reason to doubt that. My question is why not just do it.....If your such a whale (used to deal cards in the Sin), what is 55,000$-65000? I have money in my family (none i see) but i do have some around.....these people are not sweating 55000-65000$ Not if it is something they truly love, and want to do. People with old 'type' money, with a passion, don't worry to much about how much....People that spent years with nothing, but sweat and tears and a idea, that built something positive for some type of history, never worried about how much....
If i had access to 65k now, there is no doubt in my mind i could start up
a truly great pro tour....So to me, if one has the means, with passion,
but is trying make a buck off something that could change billiards for the better, for future generations, they are full of it..... that is not how change will ever happen for pool. To me, the prize for my 65k investment, would be someone coming up to me in my 70's shaking my hand,
saying well done.....welcome to the billiards hall of fame....for changing pool as we knew it 40 years ago or so.....Can't really put a profit point on that type of passion. My advice to you on how to do it right.

Forget about making money off the game, look where that thinking has got pool these days.....Take a number, that you can lose without effecting your future, and put it up with a solid plan. Your reward will be in the future when people respect you for doing something original, and without gain......You can't put a profit on that...
If you can, your heart is not in the right place. Step aside, and let someone
without gain as the main objective have that future glory....

 

[swami4u]

Kinda interesting along the lines of my last post:

The founder of a very helpful, respected rehabilitation fellowship (AA)
at first wanted to make AA a busniess venture. He along with one other
helped hardened alcoholics get sober. They where on to something huge...
they had a 12 step program that actually was shown to do the imposable,
help a drunk not to drink...this was unheard back in that time.....
So the founder went looking for a loan to turn his idea, into a business.
He went to Rockefeller.......Asking for a loan of around 50k.....that was
chump change to the rich Rockefeller......

When he was called for a face to face meeting about his requested loan he was told "This might be the BEST investment opportunity that has ever crossed my desk, and i'm not going to give you the loan.....If you chose to make this a business venture, it will be corrupted then ruined for all future generations"

The fellowship to this day has remained non profit, anonymous....
and 100% self supported.


Bill W. Is a very respected person today....If he where to make it just another rehab business, yea he could of made some money.....At the cost of his now very large legacy.....
Whats more important...is the question that needs to be asked.....

 

[JimS]

i'm not doing it for the $$, but donmt believe if it isnt profitabble it wont survive for "love" only.

Do it for the love and the money will follow. It's the love that will cause it to be done right and the money will then appear. Look at the DCC as a possible example. Didn't that start as a labor of love with only minimal prospect of making any bucks? Didn't that act of love bring it to where it returns some money in addition to being the BEST.

Let the love prevail. Make your venture the BEST because the love demands it. The money will follow.

 

[shankster8]

I don't know this guy, and have no reason to hate/doubt him in any way....
What i don't understand... i have seen pics of your home,cars, ect ect....
I have read over the years many post also....I like what i hear about
helping pool, running a super hall, running a super charged tournament, ect ect....And i believe these are all valid ideas, that he wants to do. I have no reason to doubt that. My question is why not just do it.....If your such a whale (used to deal cards in the Sin), what is 55,000$-65000? I have money in my family (none i see) but i do have some around.....these people are not sweating 55000-65000$ Not if it is something they truly love, and want to do. People with old 'type' money, with a passion, don't worry to much about how much....People that spent years with nothing, but sweat and tears and a idea, that built something positive for some type of history, never worried about how much....
If i had access to 65k now, there is no doubt in my mind i could start up
a truly great pro tour....So to me, if one has the means, with passion,
but is trying make a buck off something that could change billiards for the better, for future generations, they are full of it..... that is not how change will ever happen for pool. To me, the prize for my 65k investment, would be someone coming up to me in my 70's shaking my hand,
saying well done.....welcome to the billiards hall of fame....for changing pool as we knew it 40 years ago or so.....Can't really put a profit point on that type of passion. My advice to you on how to do it right.

Forget about making money off the game, look where that thinking has got pool these days.....Take a number, that you can lose without effecting your future, and put it up with a solid plan. Your reward will be in the future when people respect you for doing something original, and without gain......You can't put a profit on that...
If you can, your heart is not in the right place. Step aside, and let someone
without gain as the main objective have that future glory....

I must be missing something here. If Swami is saying that the investment to pull off Fatboy's plan approximates $60,000 then I don't see why Fatboy doesn't simply launch himself headlong into this, rather than worry about whether he can make enough money to get fatter (his words). What's the reason for two more years wait, which I think was forcasted earlier in this thread - Jay Helfert's efforts would produce a L.A. Open in the upcoming year with that amount of funding, I believe. Seems that if Fatboy is the character he portrays on AZB, with his nose flared out and being a betting machine etc. etc., then there's been adequate support thrown his way in this thread to launch him. At a minimum, seems he could help his friend Jay make the L.A. Open a reality. I noticed that Jay vigorously supported Fatboy in this thread.

The above is JMHO, and perhaps uninformed; so, please don't flame me. I'm just trying to help bring things down to earth, where things might actually happen. And, no, I don't have money, sorry.

 

[Johnnyt]

I must be missing something here. If Swami is saying that the investment to pull off Fatboy's plan approximates $60,000 then I don't see why Fatboy doesn't simply launch himself headlong into this, rather than worry about whether he can make enough money to get fatter (his words). What's the reason for two more years wait, which I think was forcasted earlier in this thread - Jay Helfert's efforts would produce a L.A. Open in the upcoming year with that amount of funding, I believe. Seems that if Fatboy is the character he portrays on AZB, with his nose flared out and being a betting machine etc. etc., then there's been adequate support thrown his way in this thread to launch him. At a minimum, seems he could help his friend Jay make the L.A. Open a reality. I noticed that Jay vigorously supported Fatboy in this thread.

The above is JMHO, and perhaps uninformed; so, please don't flame me. I'm just trying to help bring things down to earth, where things might actually happen. And, no, I don't have money, sorry.

I don't know where anyone got that it would only cost 60 grand to put one of his tournaments on. I see $450,000. Johnnyt

 

[shankster8]

I don't know where anyone got that it would only cost 60 grand to put one of his tournaments on. I see $450,000. Johnnyt

Thanks for the correction, that puts a whole different perspective on things. I jumped to conclusions after reading Swami's post, and should have reread the entire thread. Sorry if I contributed to confusion.

 

[ShootingArts]

a quiet house on a back road

I have a buddy, John Condrone, who wrestled WCW for years and he told me how the gig went. Everyone knew who would win, but the way it goes down is up to the guys in the ring. I'm not arguing with you big guy, but if your buddy said the outcome isn't determined in advance he is misleading you.

The action and the pain is real but the drama is very much staged.

Many years ago, long before it was admitted that pro wrestling events were staged shows rather than competitions, I kept my horses at a barn down a secluded country road. On that road was a plain subdivision style home in a row of similar homes. Passing by it twice a day or more often I noticed that it sometimes had many monster style trucks, high dollar cars, and a few more vehicles parked there. Since the owner of the barn and the home in front of the barn was the superintendent of the sheriff's narcotics division the obvious first guess was wrong. Turned out that this was where the wrestlers and the referees all met to work out the acts. I did see many of the wrestlers going in and out of the place and some of the vehicles that they showed the wrestlers arriving at the events in, confirming the report that I had from several people already.

Hu