Jeanette and Vivian ?

[AtLarge]

Jeanette must have too much money. Up two games the first day. 5 games ahead at midnight last night. 7 x $2450 a game and decides to play and break even. Sure, she could have won more, but she was extremely tired and probably in a great deal of pain. Bad decision for both ladies, Vivian could not win no matter what. Go figure.

Actually, it was 4 ahead at midnight last night rather than 5 ahead. Game number 46 started before midnight and ended at 12:04 AM. At that point, the score was 25-21 in Jeanette's favor, making her 4 ahead for the session.

By rights, Jeanette could have ended it right there, taken $4,900 for the first session's 2-ahead win plus $9,800 for the second session's 4-ahead win, and gone home (or to any backers) with $14,700.

Instead, she agreed to let Vivian continue playing, but ending at the earlier of two more hours or 6 games ahead from that point. If Jeanette went 6-ahead from that point it would take her to the original limit of 10-ahead for the day; if Vivian went 6 ahead from that point it would take her to 2 ahead for the day and even for the two days combined. So JL essentially said let's play a 6-ahead set for $14,700 but pro-rate it if no one gets there within two hours. She gave Vivian an opportunity to win (or lose) $14,700 from where she was stuck after the original two-day bet had expired. Pretty sporty, right? They were essentially playing a 6-ahead set, subject to a two-hour limit (which went a bit longer than that) for double or nothing.

It's only in retrospect that we can call it a good bet or bad bet for one or the other of the players. I just think it was a "fair" bet.

 

[DRW]

JL vs VV

Actually, it was 4 ahead at midnight last night rather than 5 ahead. Game number 46 started before midnight and ended at 12:04 AM. At that point, the score was 25-21 in Jeanette's favor, making her 4 ahead for the session.

By rights, Jeanette could have ended it right there, taken $4,900 for the first session's 2-ahead win plus $9,800 for the second session's 4-ahead win, and gone home (or to any backers) with $14,700.

Instead, she agreed to let Vivian continue playing, but ending at the earlier of two more hours or 6 games ahead from that point. If Jeanette went 6-ahead from that point it would take her to the original limit of 10-ahead for the day; if Vivian went 6 ahead from that point it would take her to 2 ahead for the day and even for the two days combined. So JL essentially said let's play a 6-ahead set for $14,700 but pro-rate it if no one gets there within two hours. She gave Vivian an opportunity to win (or lose) $14,700 from where she was stuck after the original two-day bet had expired. Pretty sporty, right? They were essentially playing a 6-ahead set, subject to a two-hour limit (which went a bit longer than that) for double or nothing.

It's only in retrospect that we can call it a good bet or bad bet for one or the other of the players. I just think it was a "fair" bet.

Thanks for the correction. 18 hours of watching is almost as tiring as playing. I agree, Jeanette was more than fair. Alot of people on the chat felt otherwise. Most I'm sure were betting on Vivian or just do like Jeanette personaly.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

So how did they finish at the end of day 2??

VV up 2 right??

 

[1on1pooltournys]

So how did they finish at the end of day 2??

VV up 2 right??

Yes........

 

[satman]

I forgot

satman:

Didn't get to see the stream due to the unfortunate "job thing" getting in the way (evening/night hours). I gathered that JL and VV ended it "even," but your comment above raises an eyebrow -- what happened in (or during) the chat? And, was the chat shutdown mid-way (or not offered at all on a subsequent day)?

I wish I could've watched the stream / attended the chat -- at least I could've attempted to extinguish a few flames with some of my patented dry levity.

-Sean

I had forgotten about them playing, and was watching tv. I finally logged in, and everything was pretty good. Probably watched, and chatted for about 45 minutes. I had to leave for a bit, and when I got back, the chat was turned off. I watched for a bit, and they turned it back on, probably hoping the buttheads had left, since they couldn't cause trouble. About 10 minutes or so was all it lasted. They were just making all kinds of rude comments. Not necessarily trying to start an argument with anyone. A very classless act from whoever it was, and ruined the chat for all of us.

 

[watchez]

At the place I hang out whenever I see these 10 ahead or similar matches I always say the winner is 'Henry' who is the owner of the room who collects the table time.

I think that J.L and Vivian`s match will be in the history books and the winners will be Monica & Helena when the room gets advertised and sales go up.

Ding Ding - we have a winner.

Johnny, tell him what he has won.

 

[UrackmIcrackm]

A very classless act from whoever it was, and ruined the chat for all of us.

I've only watched the az stream once or twice and never tried to use the chat. I always assumed you had to be an az member to sign in and chat, is that not the case?

Does anyone know who the guilty parties are? They should be outed and shamed for the immature idiots that they are. Being anonymous on the internet breeds ignorance & immaturity. Grown men & women will revert back to middle school antics and giggle as if they are the most clever & funniest people in the world. They're really just annoying children in adult bodies.

 

[8ballchump]

I've only watched the az stream once or twice and never tried to use the chat. I always assumed you had to be an az member to sign in and chat, is that not the case?

Does anyone know who the guilty parties are? They should be outed and shamed for the immature idiots that they are. Being anonymous on the internet breeds ignorance & immaturity. Grown men & women will revert back to middle school antics and giggle as if they are the most clever & funniest people in the world. They're really just annoying children in adult bodies.

I also had logged on and couldn't stomach the crap going on. I actually was interested in having my 11 yr old daughter sit down with me to watch the match and chat with Robin (er....to my daughter - that's Drakes Mom!). That quickly went away. I am glad that the chat was disabled.

I did put much thought into *who* could have been the guilty parties. I thought for a very long time before coming to the realization that I really couldn't figure out the names of the parties, but I could DEFINITELY figure out WHY they were doing it.......

These surely are ones that have gotten beaten by.....drum roll.....GIRLS! LADIES! WOMEN! They have been outplayed by the fairer sex. They are probably the chest-thumpers that have to try to downplay women in order to make themselves appear that they can play. To their credit they must realize how poorly they play because they have learned the various ways to not expose themselves and therefore hide from the challenges that would most certainly pop up.....

On the "other" side of the issue, they are obviously those that are not able for whatever reason, to get or keep a date. Little man syndrome, ED, can't deliver, been to prison one time too many - or just downright not old enough.....or too old?? Any number of reasons, but obviously have issues that cause them to not be able to 1) play pool well or 2) get women.

As I said, I don't know *who* but I feel certain I know *why*......

Here Kitty, Kitty......

 

[Roy Steffensen]

I didn't watch when the chat was down, but if it was half as bad as people say it was, I hope Jerry Forsyth knows who is responsible, and can give them a warning if they are AZ-members.

 

[1on1pooltournys]

AZ needs to figure out how to ban the person's IP address like TAR and Ustream does. The problem is that is was most certainly the same person getting into the chat under a different nickname every time. I didn't watch the end of the set but do remember some people getting banned earlier in the evening and reappearing under a different nickname. Their sentence structure (couldn't type one) was the same as previous names that were banned. I hope this gets resolved.

 

[rackem]

I didn't watch when the chat was down, but if it was half as bad as people say it was, I hope Jerry Forsyth knows who is responsible, and can give them a warning if they are AZ-members.

Warning! I don't want to say what I think should be done to them.

Is there a way to make chat available to AZ members only?
Just have us log into chat with our screen names and password.

Maybe chat should even be Club Members only.
That might get some who have not yet joined to come on board and help :help: support AZbilliard forum. :thumbup2:
I mean $35 a year is not a lot to pay to help bring us more streams and uninterupted chat. JMHO.

 

[TheMarsMan]

Warning! I don't want to say what I think should be done to them.

Is there a way to make chat available to AZ members only?
Just have us log into chat with our screen names and password.

Maybe chat should even be Club Members only.
That might get some who have not yet joined to come on board and help :help: support AZbilliard forum. :thumbup2:
I mean $35 a year is not a lot to pay to help bring us more streams and uninterupted chat. JMHO.

Great Idea!!!

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Warning! I don't want to say what I think should be done to them.

Is there a way to make chat available to AZ members only?
Just have us log into chat with our screen names and password.

Maybe chat should even be Club Members only.
That might get some who have not yet joined to come on board and help :help: support AZbilliard forum. :thumbup2:
I mean $35 a year is not a lot to pay to help bring us more streams and uninterupted chat. JMHO.

Great Idea!!!

chat for club members :thumbup:

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

I was wondering, with so much money at stake and not their own money, what would prevent two less ethical players from throwing it and then splitting the pot? It must be a tempting thought...?

Nothing really keeps them from dumping off to their opponent but maybe the thought of who ever is staking them finding out and them losing a backer or even worse.......Sometimes it's funny to watch a match and one player play bad and everyone say they dumped, people have bad days.

In a normal race, someone will eventually win... with this as we saw, there can be hours of play and still no winner. I wonder if the backers were hoping for that?

Thats why they do the long races like on TAR or play an all around where there is 3 different sets or games so at least someone can win one of them. Even thought they broke even there were still loser's and it was all the people who went to the match and bet on it.

 

[jay helfert]

Warning! I don't want to say what I think should be done to them.

Is there a way to make chat available to AZ members only?
Just have us log into chat with our screen names and password.

Maybe chat should even be Club Members only.
That might get some who have not yet joined to come on board and help :help: support AZbilliard forum. :thumbup2:
I mean $35 a year is not a lot to pay to help bring us more streams and uninterupted chat. JMHO.

I'd go for this. I couldn't understand why I couldn't get into the chat room the other day. Now I know why.

 

[Johnnyt]

Warning! I don't want to say what I think should be done to them.

Is there a way to make chat available to AZ members only?
Just have us log into chat with our screen names and password.

Maybe chat should even be Club Members only.
That might get some who have not yet joined to come on board and help :help: support AZbilliard forum. :thumbup2:
I mean $35 a year is not a lot to pay to help bring us more streams and uninterupted chat. JMHO.

That is a great idea rackem. Jerry and Mike, get right on this. It's a win-win thing for all. Johnnyt

 

[mikeyfrost]

Nothing really keeps them from dumping off to their opponent but maybe the thought of who ever is staking them finding out and them losing a backer or even worse.......Sometimes it's funny to watch a match and one player play bad and everyone say they dumped, people have bad days.



Thats why they do the long races like on TAR or play an all around where there is 3 different sets or games so at least someone can win one of them. Even thought they broke even there were still loser's and it was all the people who went to the match and bet on it.

If you need a lesson in "Taking Off The Rail" watch this match. If you don't know what that phrase means, then you probably got taken off! I could just see people in there when JL is up 8 and up 7 askin who wants JL...I woulda made an assload of money if I was there!

 

[InTheCloudzzz]

If you need a lesson in "Taking Off The Rail" watch this match. If you don't know what that phrase means, then you probably got taken off! I could just see people in there when JL is up 8 and up 7 askin who wants JL...I woulda made an assload of money if I was there!

Yeah, it's amazing that there are people that go for that sucker bet. It's definitely a goldmine in the long run! Similiar to fading everyone in a dice game.

Ryan

 

[Jerry Forsyth]

I have written Livestream for a solution to the vulgar chat problem and have not as yet received a reply. Unfortunately, AZBilliards does not control the video chat room, Livestream does, so we cannot limit who may or may not enter the chat area. Hopefuly, Livestream will give us a solution to this problem. What bewildered me was that some of the obscene chatters did not even show up in my list of visitors that I have the power to ban. Others got in and out so fast that I could not get to their names in time. It really is disgusting that there are those who would ruin the chat room for all of the decent folks who would use it responsibly.

We will continue to pursue a solution to the problem.

 

[rackem]

I have written Livestream for a solution to the vulgar chat problem and have not as yet received a reply. Unfortunately, AZBilliards does not control the video chat room, Livestream does, so we cannot limit who may or may not enter the chat area. Hopefuly, Livestream will give us a solution to this problem. What bewildered me was that some of the obscene chatters did not even show up in my list of visitors that I have the power to ban. Others got in and out so fast that I could not get to their names in time. It really is disgusting that there are those who would ruin the chat room for all of the decent folks who would use it responsibly.

We will continue to pursue a solution to the problem.

Does AZ have control over who veiws the stream? Or since it is free is it open to anyone? What's the guess was it a Forum member, A banned member or just someone who gets their jollies by going to various Livestream chats and being vulgar? Chatroom Tagger so to speak.