John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????

[bagofpaper]

Quinten,
It is apparent that you are better at some things than John. But you really can't make a general statement that you are a better pool player than John. That would mean that you could play all pool games better than John. You may play eight ball better than John and that is still a maybe. But you have to quit saying you are a better pool player than John. It just doesn't make any sense to say that unless you have played him or are willing to play him all of those other pool games.

For the record, I'm sure you are a very fine snooker player and a good pool player, especially at 8 ball. Everyone has talent, some more than others. John, like you, has gone for long periods of time without picking up a pool stick. You can't say that you have more talent at pool unless you play him all of the pool games.

Anyway, as easy-e said, this match won't come off and that's a pity. It would be fun to sweat the two of you in a match or two.

JoeyA

Exactly, if American pool is so easy Quinten come on over to VA in the fall and snap off a US Open title. That gives you 6-7 months to learn 9 ball. I'd give you generous 200:1 odds on doing that. You'll get to play plenty of Americans who suck and when you go two and out we can all chuckle and remember what a fool you are.

The only time I've watched you play was on the IPT against Daryl Appleton and you whined like a little girl when you missed or something got yourself bent out of shape and simply beat yourself. Poor Daryl looked embarrassed taking candy from a baby.

John won't play unless it's a lock?! Please! Where the hell were you guys when he played Harriman and lost 1P by 1 game and ten ball by 2. Shit.. Harriman would wipe the floor with this POS in any game.

This whole discussion is getting pretty idiotic.

End of rant.

 

[bagofpaper]

The better pattern player and strategist WILL win.

Watch Efren play Mika Immonen in the Accustats 8 ball invitational. Race to 8 eight ball alternate break. What decided that match? Let's see Mika Immonen scratching on the break allowing Efren to run out and tie the match and Efren pocketing the 8 on the break on the hill. 8 ball on a 9 ft table.. strategy? Please! How much 8 ball have you watched?

Watch the IPT. When players get interviewed what's the only thing on their mind? Let's see.. how the break is going. 99% of those interviews discussed the importance of the break.

Time to smoke a cigarette.

 

[Reaper114]

yeah 30ks is alot of cash to most people and i dont doubt that for a second! and no you dont get to see many matchs for that type of cash everyday! it would definately be nice to see these two agree on something but john wont give an inch, quentins has offered to play 9ball as part of a set of games but no john only wants to play 30 ahead, now i cant this happening i cant see quentin agreeing to it bcus thats probably the worst format he could possibly play, if it was me id want excitement/ buzz not a match where id have to grind out a result that could take a week! id fall asleep too! quentin even said somewhere the time it could or would take by the time he won wouldnt be worth it and would shoot himself if he did agree to it or something on those lines lol

 

[Poolplaya9]

I disagree, Quentin may not be able to play due to work obligations but when he stats he is the favorite in 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball and straight pool he is talking as of today and not after 4-6 months of tuning up. John has done a lot in his career and deserves some respect. Quentin?s comments irritate me as you can see, so I don?t see why you are trying to roll out the red carpet for this guy. I see your point, after 4-6 months Quentin may make the game competitive which may be true. He seems to have a lot of talent to go along with a very big mouth.

You apparently have not read this or the other thread very well. From the very beginning Quentin has always maintained that his claims were based on needing to wait a few months to get away from work, and then needing practice time. He could not have been more clear, so why do you keep insisting that he should play immediately, and without practice? Here is every line from both threads where he ever addressed the timeframe for his claims.

ok i did not really want to get into a barking match online cause i wont be coming to america for ay least 4 months

I am not like other snooker players I can play any game with a little time.

You really think if I start playing for a few months in America or the philipines you can beat me lmao start saving your money cause when I come to the states sometime this year you will have an opportunity to win a lot from me.

i will play john smidt and some of the other players for sure when i start playing again. like i said i dont have the time or interest to learn games with no money or interest like one pocket, banks, but i will play 8 ball. learn some 10 ball and john and i will play for some money 5-10k most likely between june and the end of the year.

im not saying i can compete at 9 ball i cant with the break, but 8 ball and some other games i can if I spend a little time playing them

we can organise exact date in around 4 months time as im flat out with work at the moment, and that gives you plenty of time to practise

if john is making so many good breaks at snooker this should be a good test 4 months for him to improve

i will play when im finished working in 4 or 5 months time as i will have to buy a pool cue first and then spend a few weeks playing. we can work out exect dates in near future.

ill play 8 ball because I know it and I can practise for a week and beat you

10 ball i never played but with a week in philipines which is were ill go before playing john i fancy being at worst 55% fav

i think i can turn up with a weeks practise and use any old pool cue and still win at 9 ball against john let alone if i get a cue i like and go to philipines and practise with some good players.

As you can see, he has always maintained that he needed time before he could get away from work, and then needed practice time. Even John understood all of this as evidenced by this quote, so I don't know why you or John or anyone else is trying to twist this around to get him to play immediately when he has been clear this whole time that his challenges and claims were not talking about today.

i would think you will have a tough time beating me at say 14.1 with only 3 months practice.its harder than 8ball trustme.i think you are super talented and could be a monster poolplayer and already are.i just wish you would understand that its taken guys like me years to play all the pool games at pro level and when you say im overrated and with a few months practice you can play me even,that makes me say come on and bet high.

And I am not laying out the red carpet for this guy, just trying to keep things factual and unbiased, regardless of who that favors. For the record, I happen to like John and think he is tremendously talented, and have much more respect for him as a person than Quentin whom I have very little respect for. I would be pulling for John if they matched up because I think John is a better person, and because John would be representing the US. I agree that Quentin seems to be an a$$, which he admits to. That doesn't change the facts about what has transpired.

You can't let your like or dislike for someone cloud the truth of the facts. The truth here is that Quentin has bent over backwards and done somersaults to make a game happen, and John doesn't want any part of it because he is not sure he can win. I wish John would just come out and say that he is not confident that he can win their match up and therefore has to pass on the offer, instead of continuing to make excuses and avoid making a fair match. Then there would be nothing more to say about the whole issue.

 

[derekdisco]

yeah 30ks is alot of cash to most people and i dont doubt that for a second! and no you dont get to see many matchs for that type of cash everyday! it would definately be nice to see these two agree on something but john wont give an inch, quentins has offered to play 9ball as part of a set of games but no john only wants to play 30 ahead, now i cant this happening i cant see quentin agreeing to it bcus thats probably the worst format he could possibly play, if it was me id want excitement/ buzz not a match where id have to grind out a result that could take a week! id fall asleep too! quentin even said somewhere the time it could or would take by the time he won wouldnt be worth it and would shoot himself if he did agree to it or something on those lines lol

Im not really sure how John can make it more clear. Hes counter offered with playing any of these games. . 9 ball , 10 ball, bank pool, 14.1, 1 pocket, 8 ball. that looks like a big mix of games to me. Mr. Hann wants to play a big set of 8 ball. John dosnt. John wants to play 9 ball 30 ahead, and Quintan dosnt. If I were put in charge of this match, and the amount were around 30k, I would set up the match to where there were no doubts about who the better player was at the end. So I'd say play a 20 ahead 9 ball, 15 ahead 8 ball, and if the sets split, play a race to 50 ten ball for all the cheese.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Watch Efren play Mika Immonen in the Accustats 8 ball invitational. Race to 8 eight ball alternate break. What decided that match? Let's see Mika Immonen scratching on the break allowing Efren to run out and tie the match and Efren pocketing the 8 on the break on the hill. 8 ball on a 9 ft table.. strategy? Please! How much 8 ball have you watched?

Watch the IPT. When players get interviewed what's the only thing on their mind? Let's see.. how the break is going. 99% of those interviews discussed the importance of the break.

Time to smoke a cigarette.

Glad to see you've watched a couple of 8-ball games in the last 2 years. How about old PBT or Camel Tour stuff from the 90s? Winner breaks, Efren won pretty much every 8-ball tourney he entered. Look at the names that win the 8-ball titles. They're names you'd recognize. Mika was a world 9-ball champ. Thorsten as well. Efren is a demi-god with a pool cue.

Perhaps the greatest 8-ball player would be Jimmy Reid. He was great at all the games - 9-ball, 1P, and even American Snooker. Come to think of it, Mike Sigel was pretty good at 8-ball on the world stage. He could play some good 9-ball too.

Tell me, in which game is the break more important - 8 or 9 ball? If you say 8-ball, go back to your cigarette. Think of how many break and runs we saw this year at the world championships with the soft break. I've never seen anybody put a 6 or 7 pack on someone playing 8-ball.

 

[Dave Mackay]

Tell me, in which game is the break more important - 8 or 9 ball? If you say 8-ball, go back to your cigarette. Think of how many break and runs we saw this year at the world championships with the soft break. I've never seen anybody put a 6 or 7 pack on someone playing 8-ball.

I have seen players do this. Once was against me when a player who had not been playing for quite some time and was using a new cue for the first time ran a 6pack at IPT rules on me. He is a good 9ball and 8ball player and from watching him and other players i think that one of the biggest factors in 8ball has to be the break if you don't get a good one then you ain't going to win.

 

[Wolf_Blass]

So the general opinion is that Schmidt has bottled this challenge. Thought so, it was never going to happen really, I mean as soon as he said he wouldn't play 8-ball it was quite obvious that this was going nowhere. If he won't play on the equipment that he has been brought up on against a guy that has only played a hundred or so competitive frames on it then that is pretty sad.

All that remains now is for Schimdt to apologise to Hann for being a timewaster.

 

[bagofpaper]

Glad to see you've watched a couple of 8-ball games in the last 2 years. How about old PBT or Camel Tour stuff from the 90s? Winner breaks, Efren won pretty much every 8-ball tourney he entered. Look at the names that win the 8-ball titles. They're names you'd recognize. Mika was a world 9-ball champ. Thorsten as well. Efren is a demi-god with a pool cue.

Perhaps the greatest 8-ball player would be Jimmy Reid. He was great at all the games - 9-ball, 1P, and even American Snooker. Come to think of it, Mike Sigel was pretty good at 8-ball on the world stage. He could play some good 9-ball too.

Tell me, in which game is the break more important - 8 or 9 ball? If you say 8-ball, go back to your cigarette. Think of how many break and runs we saw this year at the world championships with the soft break. I've never seen anybody put a 6 or 7 pack on someone playing 8-ball.

I'm glad you're glad that I have watched a couple of 8 ball games in the last two years.. I was using one example, Efren and Mika in 2000(2001? more than 2 years ago BTW), that is quite common in most 8 ball matches. Whoever has more production on the break will win. Scratch on the break and you lose. In fact, if you scratch on the break in 8 ball it can be worse than scratching on the break in 9 ball.. there are more options for running the rack out in most circumstances.

Yeah, the names of the winners of all big events are usually names you'd recognize. Especially if you are a die-hard pool fan. I'm not sure what your point is..

I have watched some of the PBT 8 ball matches in the 90's.. And I still think the break in 8 ball is just as important as the break in 9 ball. So I'll stick with my cigarette.. In both games if you can't consistently make a ball on the break you are going to lose to someone who can and has equal ability. That is if you can't safe break.

This past WPC was a joke in terms of the break. At least until the finals and the pressure was on. During and after the WPC, there were about 10 threads discussing the soft break and how it did or didn't ruin 9 ball at the pro level.

Read my previous post regarding Efren's 8 ball skills. His run out ability above and beyond anyone else's but if he couldn't make a ball on the break it wouldn't make a bit of a difference. He'd lose most matches.

Get Marlon Manalo or any top 8 ball player with a good break to play 8 ball on WPC equipment and see how many racks he can string if playing well.. I bet it's not too shy of 6 or 7.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Im not really sure how John can make it more clear. Hes counter offered with playing any of these games. . 9 ball , 10 ball, bank pool, 14.1, 1 pocket, 8 ball. that looks like a big mix of games to me.
He countered with 100% American games, on American equipment, that he has played and/or been exposed to his whole career, and that Quinten has never played or even been exposed to, or may have played a couple of times. Quinten has played American 8 ball two times, 9 ball about seven times, and the rest of them zero times. Tell me again how this sounded like a fair offer?

Mr. Hann wants to play a big set of American 8 ball.
The only game that neither player has much experience with, although the edge would have to go to John for playing time and exposure to this game. Quentin is willing to play it on foreign soil, and on equipment that favors his opponent. Sounds MORE than fair on his part.

John dosnt.
Because he wants a lock.

John wants to play 9 ball 30 ahead, and Quintan dosnt.
Because John spent his whole career playing this game on this equipment, and Quentin has hardly played it and certainly doesn't have the break for it. Besides, John doesn't even want to play this game unless it is played in the next month. Quentin has to be out of stroke and not yet had a chance to learn the game for John to want to play. Tell me again how this all sounds fair?

If I were put in charge of this match, and the amount were around 30k, I would set up the match to where there were no doubts about who the better player was at the end. So I'd say play a 20 ahead 9 ball, 15 ahead American 8 ball, and if the sets split, play a race to 50 ten ball for all the cheese.
Wow, three out of three are American games, on American equipment, that John has extensive experience with, and that Quentin has almost no experience with. Tell me again how this sounds fair?

Quinten spent his career playing precisely two games, snooker and English 8 ball, neither of which are on American equipment. John only wants to play games that Quentin doesn't know, and on equipment that Quentin has no experience on. And even then he only wants to do it before Quentin has a chance to get in stroke or to learn those games.

I want to know what is wrong with Quentin's offer of "someone else suggested another challenge 2 of johns games 2 of mine why not 3 of johns game 2 of mine maybe 8/9/10 ball on american tables and snooker and english 8 ball?" That offer was closer to being balanced that any other multi-game format that has been thrown out there even though it still in fact favors John. But hey, if Quentin is willing to give the edge to John, why isn't John jumping on it?

 

[cad1illac]

That's apples and oranges....both those players are evenly matched as they both play all three games well. Suddenly John liked 8 balld a lot when he played in the IPT, and now he doesn't like it? It's Johns way of backing out. These two playing 8 ball is very fair with all things considered and that has been admitted by almost everyone. Quinten is giving away a lot with all things considered and making a lot less even if he wins with all the travel and prep involved. I don't know Quinten but he has stepped up like few people in recent memory. Where else can John make 30K for a weeks work. John would not play Shane 3 years ago at Derby City ( 9 ball even for 10K ) when no one had heard of Shane and he wasn't half the player he is now.

 

[cad1illac]

Just to clarify, John and Danny are evenly matched

 

[StevenPWaldon]

He's already booked to play Harriman, which I think is a harder match. I can't fault him for not trying to commit himself to too much. If Schmidt beats Harriman, there's a chance for this to come together.

The reality is that John doesn't have tens of thousands of dollars to gamble with. Very very few players do, and most of it is with the help of backers. When your livelihood is on the line, it's a different ballgame. This could be his mortgage on the line.

So the general opinion is that Schmidt has bottled this challenge. Thought so, it was never going to happen really, I mean as soon as he said he wouldn't play 8-ball it was quite obvious that this was going nowhere. If he won't play on the equipment that he has been brought up on against a guy that has only played a hundred or so competitive frames on it then that is pretty sad.

All that remains now is for Schimdt to apologise to Hann for being a timewaster.

 

[derekdisco]

That's apples and oranges....both those players are evenly matched as they both play all three games well. Suddenly John liked 8 balld a lot when he played in the IPT, and now he doesn't like it? It's Johns way of backing out. These two playing 8 ball is very fair with all things considered and that has been admitted by almost everyone. Quinten is giving away a lot with all things considered and making a lot less even if he wins with all the travel and prep involved. I don't know Quinten but he has stepped up like few people in recent memory. Where else can John make 30K for a weeks work. John would not play Shane 3 years ago at Derby City ( 9 ball even for 10K ) when no one had heard of Shane and he wasn't half the player he is now.

Who wouldnt like 8 ball when the ipt was paying out 6 figures????

 

[JohnPT]

We need a pinch hitter in place of John.

 

[Jaden]

There is a simple difference here.......

I want to know what is wrong with Quentin's offer of "someone else suggested another challenge 2 of johns games 2 of mine why not 3 of johns game 2 of mine maybe 8/9/10 ball on american tables and snooker and english 8 ball?" That offer was closer to being balanced that any other multi-game format that has been thrown out there even though it still in fact favors John. But hey, if Quentin is willing to give the edge to John, why isn't John jumping on it?

There is a simple difference here and that is, John wasn't the one saying that there isn't any Ausie or Brit jackoff that can possibly ever beat him. Quentin comes off as a pretentious asshole and I have been and will focus on practicing my snooker game and if I ever have achance to play quentin, (his own game) cheaply enough that I can afford it, I WILL.

I've only been practicing snooker for a few days and I"m averaging between 20 and 30 point breaks an inning when I'm not practicing my safety play and I'm not doing bad at potting the long starting pots either. I don't even know if that's in the realm of being a decent snooker player as I've never seen it played on a high level. The highest break I've ever had was 68, but I wouldn't consider myself a good player until after I get a century break.

I'm just getting sooo tired of brits and Quentin coming on here and saying how easy it would be for them to come and dominate American pool but that we (Americans) have no chance against them at snooker. I'm not going to say that anyone in the world isn't capable of doing anything, because that's a good way to end up with your foot in your mouth and none of you should either. If it's soo easy for him to come and dominate, then why is he backpedaling and saying that he'll only play eightball. Again, this is because of him stating how easily he could trash John and other Great American players, so if it's so easy then play the dominant American game of Nineball, and let's see how easily he could dominate????

My guess is that he'll try and do exactly what you're trying to do and try and turn it around as though John is backpedaling.

I seem to remember David offering him a big point spot in 14.1???? why doesn't he practice that for a week and come play David or John in that.

Or hell, I'm sure if he's that good in a week, that in a month of practice he should be able to beat John's high run of 403????

This is becoming idiotic, but I don't mind because it gives me the drive to seriously take up snooker.

Jaden

 

[Jaden]

If you believe his crap about not playing for ears then you're a fool....

Quentin's argument has never been that right now today he could beat you in all these games that he does not even have any experience in, and while he is out of stroke after not playing for years. He was clear about this. His claim has always been that he is a better cueist and has more talent than you. 4-6 months practice time to learn new games and get back in stroke seems very reasonable. He has also offered to play you a bunch of different ways and has been way more than reasonable about what he is willing to give up. If you think you have as much talent and ability as he does then take one of those games. If not, just say I don't think it's a good game for me. But to insist on only playing him a game he doesn't know and only right now while he is out of stroke is weak.

Of course you have an edge right now. What pro wouldn't have an edge over someone that has not played in years and who has no experience with the games you want to play? It is both fair and reasonable for him to be able to take a reasonable amount of time to get in stroke and learn whatever game is to be played, plus he needed a few months because of his work schedule. I mean after all you will have that same time period to practice and sharpen your knowledge in those same games too. The only way he could ever beat you at any of your games after only a few months practice time would be if he were a better player with more talent.

I can't even remember how many times I've heard a pool player trying to match up say that they haven't played in (insert any amount of time) to try and match up better. If you for one second believe that Qunetin truly hasn't played since his ban, then I'll sell you London bridge, all you have to do is pay to have it moved from Arizona....

Jaden


p.s. The initial entry to this thread should say if you believe that he hasn't played for YEARS not ears. If Quwntin says that he hasn't ever played pool for ears, then I would be willing to believe him.

 

[memikey]

I don't even know if that's in the realm of being a decent snooker played as I've never seen it played on a high level.....

This is honestly not a knock, just an answer to what appears to be question of sorts which you seem to be asking. The answer is that a break of 68 after a short while is pretty good but to put it in some perspective there are several hundred children in Uk alone who have run centuries.

.....If you for one second believe that Quinten truly hasn't played since his ban I'll sell you London Bridge.....

As regards snooker there's no good reason to doubt that he hasn't played hardly at all since his ban.......he never played that much before his ban and is notoriously the world's laziest snooker player practice wise. As regards american pool you can take it the bank that he hasn't played much since his ban.....he hasn't played much in his entire life period. If he had done you can be pretty sure we'd have all heard about it, he's not shy

Who the hell would want London Bridge? It was a festering piece of crap about to fall down when you lot were stupid enough to buy it first time round

 

[Madcity]

Train Wreck

Watching this thread makes me feel like I just stopped to gawk at a train wreck.

But in the interest of keeping it going I propose 1 game of snooker then 1game of straight pool (125 points). Alternate games for say 2 grand a piece.

I'll bet on John.

 

[chamillionare]

i havent read much of this thread but just to throw some gas on the fire, how bout you and John come to my mansion-bit more than $2M and play with no one but you 2 guys and one of my security staff, I dont need to watch, we can tape it too. No excuses, no BS just snooker. I also have a perfect 9' Diamond as well. No excuses I have the perfect place to play no distractions.

well your house might be a bit more than 2 mil but i bet my dick is a bit more than yours wanna bet $$$$$$$

na im just joking thats a nice offer from you

funny thing was my first thought was to play at your place no pool room lurkers to shark me there which was a concern for me as its not real hard to get me going lol, and you got snooker/pool and its las vegas baby, although me with an easy won 30g in vegas might not be such a good idea

but it looks like nothing will happen now unless i play a game i never really played before or liked, and if i did play it would make me an idiot to try to give up so much when im not even playing anymore. even though i think im fav on talent alone and with no prep, but its too close and i could lose at those other games. maybe ill end up playing in future and ill take that risk but not now

maybe we could of worked out a deal ill give you my riley aristocrate sitting in my garage gathering dust if you help me wind up john and everyone else enough to take this bet. now it seems that there is obviously no snooker and probably no bet but i would of been happy to play 8 ball at your house

i dont care if there is 0 people or 20 and they can all be barricking for john as long as it is not too over the top im sure a good security man could control it anyways im used to being the underdog. as for the last 8 pages here after the shit day i had i feel like my head is gonna explode reading them all maybe ill reply another time.

im not much of a gambler i have not gambled since i started snooker at 17 i know 8 ball is a lock for me end of story it will pay for my vacation. but i wouldnt/couldnt start playing anything untill i stop working in minumum 4 months.

and to answer some of the other messages i dont have the time now or inclination to play everyone is in different situations i dont play anymore thats the truth. some people say why dont i practise and prove myself what for there is no money i dont mix in pool circles and the world is only a 100k and you need alot of luck in that game and 100k wont change my life its not even that much money,if they had one comp a month like that it would still be border line for me to play fulltime. there are things i miss in the game but for everyone of those there are 2 things i hate about the game of billiards its too hard a game to be involved in i think

i know how good i am and i know pretty much were i would be if i played all these american games, i knew were i would have stood in english 8 ball i knew were i stood in snooker too


anyways i tried to organise a game it did not work ill just have to re-retire again does thinking about playing count as a comeback

p.s ill still post for 8 ball if john changes his mind or someone backs him shit just ask me again in 4 or 5 months and ill probably be able to play with only 2 weeks notice