Let's Talk About Shane's Gambling Problem . . .

How do you know Shane was playing with his money? Most casinos have people that play with house money. Most gamblers do not like to be the only one at the table.
 
Toncam said:
I have heard that he is a pal of Jordans so this comes as no surprise. Jordan is in another league though, restaurant workers, cocktail waitresses, bartenders, he gives up nothing to no one.

I have heard from people in Chicago that hes that way in some restaurants where they kiss his ass and he gives up zero to the working people.
And they look up to this slob ?
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My nephew was parking cars at a wealthy party a few years ago and didn't get a tip from a guy whose money makes Jordan look like a chump.
 
Thats really sad when you think about it. You hear of many Stars that make much less and tip 100's.

When you think that in the time that it takes Jordan and many others to actually take a 100 out of their pocket and hand it over, they've actually made more more money for just breathing. So whats a 100 to them. Zero.
 
alstl said:
My nephew was parking cars at a wealthy party a few years ago and didn't get a tip from a guy whose money makes Jordan look like a chump.
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I was at a wedding in the Hollywood hills 5-6 years ago and, trust me, I was by far the brokest mother there.... When the valet came with our car I handed him a $20, he looks at me funny and says "Thanks!!!" then lowers his voice and says "Figures, I've been running up and down this hill all night getting foreign cars and one of the only tips I get is from a guy driving an American car.....".
 
Saw, thats one of the ways that super rich people use to let people that they figure are not up to their standards in place. It means nothing in the long run.

Only people that are not sure of their own place in life use these tactics.

Its just a phony ploy. I doubt that they are truly happy.
 
1on1pooltournys said:
I thought Shane was too nitty to go off in a casino? I'm being dead serious too. He's really kind of nitty in my opinion. I've gambled with him a couple different times. But then again I know a lot of nitty people that won't bet their alive at the poolroom but blow their dough left and right at the casinos. Really kind of strange. :thumbup:
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Being a nit about casino gambling is otherwise known as intelligence.
 
alstl said:
My nephew was parking cars at a wealthy party a few years ago and didn't get a tip from a guy whose money makes Jordan look like a chump.
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skunky low life bastard-how can you not help a struggling guy when you will never be able to spend your money. I wish there was an afterlife for these guys but no such luck
 
But there is No Stroke. If you think that they are not being judged in this life for their actions, please reconsider.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Thats really sad when you think about it. You hear of many Stars that make much less and tip 100's.

When you think that in the time that it takes Jordan and many others to actually take a 100 out of their pocket and hand it over, they've actually made more more money for just breathing. So whats a 100 to them. Zero.
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This makes me feel a lot better about the pool world, Terry.
Efren will give a hotel maid a hundred if she looks sad.
Grady was terrific also.
 
jay helfert said:
It happened at the Sands in Reno. I won't tell the whole story here, but we did get the casino (a small one with only one crap table) stuck pretty good where they had to refill the table with fresh money. We had them in a bad spot where they could only lose. If the dice got cold we would only quit. If they stayed hot we would nail them good. They knew this and found an excuse to shut down the game. TRUE STORY!

As for Shane he is a close friend of mine who I have given financial advice to on several occasions. This includes advising him in the purchase of a four unit property some time back. I want to see him do good and have some financial security in the future. I've seen too many pool players end up broke and basically destitute when they got older. Some very well known players of my generation ended up in pretty bad shape when they got old and weren't winning anymore and lost their sponsorship deals.

Shane is a young man who has done fairly well for himself over the last few years. He is not rich by any means and he must take care to insure his future after pool. It is one thing to have fun gambling with small amounts of money that you can afford to lose. It's entirely another to gamble with amounts that could endanger your present and future security.

I've seen the high costs that gambling addictions can lead to; broken marriages, lost homes, failed businesses and lives destroyed. If you don't think this can happen you are either uninformed or foolish. It can be casino gambling, horse racing, video poker, sports betting, live poker or can take many other forms. Bottom line, if gambling at something gets out of control, your entire life is in trouble. Gambling has destroyed many lives, just like alcohol and drugs. I could do an entire dialogue on the dangers and damage that the proliferation of casinos across America is doing. But that is not what this forum and this thread is about.

I care about Shane Van Boening! And we have talked about this very thing more than once. He is not just another pool player to me. He is someone whose well being is important to me. Just like in any work environment we develop closer relationships with certain people. I am very close to several pool players and other individuals in the sport who I care about. If I were to see any of them messing up I would speak to them about it. I would hope that they might do the same for me.

As a pool commentator I feel it is my job to discuss issues which may affect a player's performance. I will draw the line in certain situations which I feel may be inappropriate and not in others where I feel a mention is fair game. I have seen no less than Johnny Miller talking about a player who may have gotten a little too inebriated the night before, and how it affected his play the next day. And the personal (and sometimes very public) problems of many star athletes are fodder for commentators when they feel it affects how they perform. Tiger got chewed up by the media and the TV commentators for years about his private affairs. How all this affected his golf game was a hot topic for a long time, and still is to a certain degree.

I know from personal experience that a big loss the night before will play on your mind the next day, and affect you in whatever you have to do. I have lost small amounts playing poker many times (a few hundred) and I can shake it off. But when I've gone off for a big number (thousands), I'm not at my best for a day or two. It weighs on my mind for a while afterwards. It can have the same affect on a champion pool player, making it hard to focus and concentrate on the task at hand.

I won't make any excuses for my comments, even though I'd rather not get into it any more on here. Shane is my friend and he may not be happy about this thread and he may be unhappy with me as well. Regardless I hope for his sake he takes it all to heart and gives a lot of thought to what he is doing with his hard earned money. Nothing I've said here I wouldn't (and haven't) said to his face.
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Keep Talking to him Jay-After he scars a few times which he will, he may just listen. no one in his bracket should ever be doing the numbers he is . It will end bad .Most say to themselves-when i recover the 30G i lost, ill quit and they chase it til its 70G's and chase and chase. I remember a guy that lost 10K rolling dice on the back of a car when he was 20. Came from a rich family that finally had to disown him- He chased for 20 years-went into GA for a while and then went back at it. He is about the only good friend that i havent heard a thing about in 20 years and im pretty sure i know why.
 
pt109 said:
This makes me feel a lot better about the pool world, Terry.
Efren will give a hotel maid a hundred if she looks sad.
Grady was terrific also.
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See, now thats class !! Knock around guys like that who know how to take care of others. I enjoy hearing stuff like that.
I could floor you guys with story after story about creeps and what i have seen and encountered, would make you shake your head but i will save it for another time.
 
I dealt cards for 8 years, 3 of them in the high limit room. The people with the most money are not always the one's who tip best.

I have made plenty from those that have lots of money and plenty from those that do,

Some people just don't tip.

Off with their heads.
 
I could floor you guys with story after story about creeps and what i have seen and encountered, would make you shake your head but i will save it for another time.
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Ya know, stories like those would and wouldn't be good to hear, if you know what I mean.

I used to work part time in our Provincial Gov Protocol Office for a friend that was basically second in command.

She would tell me stories of abuse of the tax payers money by politicians that would make you sick.

Some times it was almost to the point of asking not to hear any more.

I know, same but different.
 
I'm not pointing fingers at any one player but if you've been around poolrooms, dog and horse tracks, card rooms, or casinos you know the ones that have a gambling problem can't be trusted when money is involved. Every jock or horse or dog trainer I bought tips from had gambling problems. Gambling problems breed crime. If you play pro in any sport and you have gambling problem it's only a matter of time before you fix games, dump fights and fix other one on one sports. What I'm trying to say here is that if you truly have a gambling problem you can't be trusted.

I came from the streets and docks of NY and have known and did business with many a problem gambler. A very big % of them hit bottom or much worse in the end. Just like a junkie needs to stick a needle in his/her body twice or more a day, the problem gambler needs that rush of the gamble everyday and needs to bet higher and higher and bet what he can't afford to lose to get the same rush he needs. Johnnyt
 
pt109 said:
...Efren will give a hotel maid a hundred if she looks sad.
Grady was terrific also.
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I never knew that you were supposed to leave a tip for the maids in hotel rooms when you leave. Keith is the one who clued me in on that. Now we leave a few bucks. It's not much, but at least it shows appreciation.

Also, Keith said when he stayed at hotels regularly, he would pay the maids to wash his clothes for him. He's give them 10 or 20 bucks, and they were happy as clams to do it.

Just thought I'd pass on a little hotel etiquette I learned from a former rolling stone.:grin-square:
 
Johnnyt said:
I'm not pointing fingers at any one player but if you've been around poolrooms, dog and horse tracks, card rooms, or casinos you know the ones that have a gambling problem can't be trusted when money is involved. Every jock or horse or dog trainer I bought tips from had gambling problems. Gambling problems breed crime. If you play pro in any sport and you have gambling problem it's only a matter of time before you fix games, dump fights and fix other one on one sports. What I'm trying to say here is that if you truly have a gambling problem you can't be trusted.

I came from the streets and docks of NY and have known and did business with many a problem gambler. A very big % of them hit bottom or much worse in the end. Just like a junkie needs to stick a needle in his/her body twice or more a day, the problem gambler needs that rush of the gamble everyday and needs to bet higher and higher and bet what he can't afford to lose to get the same rush he needs. Johnnyt
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Absoluetly John, no question they cant be trusted.
You remember Roosevelt Raceway, they used to have the Trotters there ? Well, it was either the late 60,s or early 70,s and someone who is very close to me was a very big horse and numbers guy, his boss gave him an astonishing 18 out of 21 winners at Roosevelt over the course of 3 months time.

And he didnt do it by superior handicapping skills either, lol. He just told this person not to load up too heavy at the track and to use outside BM,s to keep the price higher.
Roosevelt was always rampant with corruption back then, this is no secret at all.
After about a year a few guys went away because of this move, i wonder how many of them were jockeys who were in over their heads with gambling, and they ALL gambled.

The friend of mine in question never gave me a figure as to how much he took down with this one, but i know it wasnt small in any way.
Cant trust anything that eats and craps in sports betting, that pretty much says it all.
 
Johnnyt said:
I'm not pointing fingers at any one player but if you've been around poolrooms, dog and horse tracks, card rooms, or casinos you know the ones that have a gambling problem can't be trusted when money is involved. Every jock or horse or dog trainer I bought tips from had gambling problems. Gambling problems breed crime. If you play pro in any sport and you have gambling problem it's only a matter of time before you fix games, dump fights and fix other one on one sports. What I'm trying to say here is that if you truly have a gambling problem you can't be trusted.

I came from the streets and docks of NY and have known and did business with many a problem gambler. A very big % of them hit bottom or much worse in the end. Just like a junkie needs to stick a needle in his/her body twice or more a day, the problem gambler needs that rush of the gamble everyday and needs to bet higher and higher and bet what he can't afford to lose to get the same rush he needs. Johnnyt
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tap tap tap ! ! !

I've seen it, too. Absolutely true.

best,
brian kc
 
I just saw a very recent picture of Jose Parica at the OTB in a Vegas casino. The last time I saw Jose, it was in an OTB in a Vegas casino. :D

When we went to the Viking Tour Season Finale in Northfield, OH, Jose, Keith, and I went to a horsetrack nearby to bet the horses.

At the Derby City Classic, John Mataya, Harry Platis, Ronnie Allen, Keith, and myself went to a nearby OTB to bet the horses.

At the IPT King of the Hill Tournament in Orlando, FL, John T. (can't remember his last name), Danny D., Dee Adkins, Keith, and myself went to an OTB dog track.

At the Trumps 10-Ball Challenge, Dee Adkins, Keith, and myself hung out at an OTB. Dee hit big. He's pretty good at picking 'em and gave Keith and I a good tip that paid off.

I probably have a baseball cap from just about every horsetrack on the East Coast, from Florida up to New York.

Yeah, gambling is most definitely an occupational hazard for pool players. Me, I go into a track with a fixed amount I'm willing to lose, and when it's gone, I'm not betting one more penny.

Make no mistake about it, gambling is a disease. I have other addictions, like coffee which I'm trying to give up, but gambling is not one of them.
 
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