Olathe!!!! What A Joke!!!

[crosseyedjoe]

This type of post bullsh!t.

You are saying these 2 kids need fear to bodily harm because of what and from who?

What do mean "controlling the side betting"? The guys involved with each particular bet "control" that bet.I have never seen an all knowing all powerful "they" that controls all side bets in a room of 200 people.

Your post makes as much sense as me saying "You need watch your back because you post nonsense"

Huh, again huh?

I was responding to Jay, who maybe was intentionally ignoring the post I paraphrased.

Please read thru the relevant posts before making such accusation.


Yes, I saw your video feed in its entirety. Other than the "pass" it was all good because the rule wasn't really that clear.

 

[JAM]

Everyone who is running down McMinn, Banks and Dan Tull needs to stand down until they KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!!!

Orcollo did not have $3300 left. He had $300. How do I know? I was running the scoreboard and I TYPED IT IN!!! This really has no bearing on the point at hand but goes to show that false information has been put out.

I have the whole game on video. Dan and Eveyln came over and we pulled the tape and looked at it. Both decided that when McMinn passed the shot he was within the rules. I will post the video and anyone who thinks McMinn left Banks a "straight in" shot on the 1 is nuts. Banks made a great shot to stay out of an easy scratch.

A lot of people spent a lot of time effort and money to put on something that is new and exciting for pool. The LEAST everyone involved deserves is the benefit of the doubt until all the FACTS have been brought to light.

Both of these young players, played great pool over a LONG period of time against strong competition to get to the finals. Anyone who condemns them over what a poster, who up till now was held in little regard, needs to chill the hell out.

Everything was not perfect. The first attempt at something rarely is.

A few posters have brought some sense to this thread. Wait till you get all sides of the story before you get your torches and pitch forks out.

I am still on the road and will have the website fixed and video posted by tomorrow.

I knew I could count on you guys. Thanks for straightening this mess out.

You must be so tired after putting in all those hours to bring Olathe to people around the world.

Forget about the nonsense expressed on this forum and enjoy the rest of your trip back home. I will bet the scenery is beautiful this time of year. Thanks for everything.

JAM

 

[jwilliams]

In the "new" Diamond Ring Game rules, it will pass to the next player, to protect against this sort of thing.

Hi Jay...I was just wondering if you would explain a little more in depth how these rules are going to work?

I don't disagree at all that in a ring games current rule system it is pretty easy to chop someone up, but I would think that by passing to the next player it really wouldn't change anything.

Aren't you then just screwing the next guy if you force him to shoot a shot that you're hooked on? You would effectively be giving the original shooter another chance with only three guys (unless of course the guy you passed to lucks a ball in or something.) Plus I would think the guy you pass to would be rather unhappy because he's missing out on possibly getting an easier shot if the passer had shot and missed or something.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks!

 

[JCIN]

Huh, again huh?

I was responding to Jay, who maybe was intentionally ignoring the post I paraphrased.

Please read thru the relevant posts before making such accusation.

You are right joe. My bad. I apologize.

All this conspiracy crap gets me on edge.

 

[ALLENJK]

I must say that I'm sorry that all of this came about after such fantastic pool
was played all weekend. I had to leave after the first match ended on Sunday so I can't comment on what went on afterwords.

The one thing I can say , is that it was a very good format to watch & had to be very tiring for the players. I believe that most of us would make alot of mental errors after playing the amount of pool that these guys played that weekend.

P.S. - For those who didn't get to witness this all offensive weekend ( until the finals) you missed some incredable shots.

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

I Made An Honest Effort To Be Serious Here

Hi Jay...I was just wondering if you would explain a little more in depth how these rules are going to work?

I don't disagree at all that in a ring games current rule system it is pretty easy to chop someone up, but I would think that by passing to the next player it really wouldn't change anything.

Aren't you then just screwing the next guy if you force him to shoot a shot that you're hooked on? You would effectively be giving the original shooter another chance with only three guys (unless of course the guy you passed to lucks a ball in or something.) Plus I would think the guy you pass to would be rather unhappy because he's missing out on possibly getting an easier shot if the passer had shot and missed or something.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks!

No, you aren't missing anything here. Like "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", the "you must make an honest effort to make the ball" falls into the same realm. Just WHO can decide if a player has 'made an honest effort' ?
I think that many of the responders to these threads (3 or 4 of them now) have never played a ring game for money. The old timers that HAVE played in these types of games or bet on them or sweated them are mostly remaining silent, because this is how ring games have ALWAYS been played and most of the participants have been in this same position many times.
We don't live in a perfect world and we may never be able to judge an 'honest effort to make the ball'. It has been stated that Dennis O. (and others) was guilty of doing the same thing and it's much harder to judge an honest effort the better a players plays. Pro players know where the rock is going and shooting a shot that LOOKS like an honest effort and hiding the cueball is easier the better you play.
I'll keep reading and following the threads and you have my permission to wake me up when someone can figure out a way to determine the 'HONEST EFFORT' rule.
Doug
( carry on )



Edited to add: I'm surprised that we haven't heard from "Short Bus" Russ, so I looked and found that he hasn't posted in the last 10 days. Is he on the way home, to put his fortune in action ? Anyone have any info ?






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[crosseyedjoe]

Hi Jay...I was just wondering if you would explain a little more in depth how these rules are going to work?

I don't disagree at all that in a ring games current rule system it is pretty easy to chop someone up, but I would think that by passing to the next player it really wouldn't change anything.

Aren't you then just screwing the next guy if you force him to shoot a shot that you're hooked on? You would effectively be giving the original shooter another chance with only three guys (unless of course the guy you passed to lucks a ball in or something.) Plus I would think the guy you pass to would be rather unhappy because he's missing out on possibly getting an easier shot if the passer had shot and missed or something.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks!

I think what happened was that Mc had a choice between Jr and DO, so Mc chose a player that had lower chance of making the ball.

 

[jsp]

Everyone who is running down McMinn, Banks and Dan Tull needs to stand down until they KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!!!

Orcollo did not have $3300 left. He had $300. How do I know? I was running the scoreboard and I TYPED IT IN!!! This really has no bearing on the point at hand but goes to show that false information has been put out.

I have the whole game on video. Dan and Eveyln came over and we pulled the tape and looked at it. Both decided that when McMinn passed the shot he was within the rules. I will post the video and anyone who thinks McMinn left Banks a "straight in" shot on the 1 is nuts. Banks made a great shot to stay out of an easy scratch.

A lot of people spent a lot of time effort and money to put on something that is new and exciting for pool. The LEAST everyone involved deserves is the benefit of the doubt until all the FACTS have been brought to light.

Both of these young players, played great pool over a LONG period of time against strong competition to get to the finals. Anyone who condemns them over what a poster, who up till now was held in little regard, needs to chill the hell out.

Everything was not perfect. The first attempt at something rarely is.

A few posters have brought some sense to this thread. Wait till you get all sides of the story before you get your torches and pitch forks out.

I am still on the road and will have the website fixed and video posted by tomorrow.

With your side of the story, then I'd have to say that it seems perfectly reasonable for McMinn to pass up that shot.

You're right, we have to hear both sides of the story before passing judgment. Thanks for clearing things up.

 

[Scottster]

LMFAO, what a charade. A guy, whom 90% of all of this community was ready to hang 2-3 weeks ago, comes on here, makes yet another opinionated post and all of a sudden its the gospel. Then people who have absolutely no clue about what happened start degrading the character of 2 people they have never met, labeling them as scoundrels because of what this guy said.

Mike and Shane are not scoundrels and shame on everyone that discredits their performance in this incredibly grueling format. You guys both performed great and I congratulate you both for a job well done! As for some of the sh!t you guys are reading on here just remember, "Don't let the Bastards wear you down." For those that were not there have no idea what a tough grind this was for all of the players, although great action and excitement for the crowd, so dont put any stock in the negative opinions.

I dont have any beef with Jamie, he is entitled to his opinion. My concern is with those that took his opinion, after considering his recent past here and used it as fuel to degrade the character of 2 excellent young up and coming pool champions they have never witnessed perform on a pool table.
SHAME ON YOU ALL

 

[JCIN]

LMFAO, what a charade. A guy, whom 90% of all of this community was ready to hang 2-3 weeks ago, comes on here, makes yet another opinionated post and all of a sudden its the gospel. Then people who have absolutely no clue about what happened start degrading the character of 2 people they have never met, labeling them as scoundrels because of what this guy said.

Mike and Shane are not scoundrels and shame on everyone that discredits their performance in this incredibly grueling format. You guys both performed great and I congratulate you both for a job well done! As for some of the sh!t you guys are reading on here just remember, "Don't let the Bastards wear you down." For those that were not there have no idea what a tough grind this was for all of the players, although great action and excitement for the crowd, so dont put any stock in the negative opinions.

I dont have any beef with Jamey, he is entitled to his opinion. My concern is with those that took his opinion, after considering his recent past here and used it as fuel to degrade the character of 2 excellent young up and coming pool champions they have never witness perform on a pool table.
SHAME ON YOU ALL

Tap....Tap...Tap !!!!!

 

[corvette1340]

Here is my take on the whole situation;

Did they violate any rules? NO.

Is what they did a little shady? Yes, Probably.

But really, who would expect any other scenario in this situation. I can't say that I really blame them. Back when I was scuffling in college I probably would have done the same thing given the money involved and the fact that Dennis is a stone cold champion. Does that make it right in my eyes? No. To the people that keep saying things to the effect of "well the shot on the one was no gimme", get real. They knew what was going on, and so did Dennis. They also shouldn't be chastized over this because it was well within the rules.

 

[sjb]

I think what happened was that Mc had a choice between Jr and DO, so Mc chose a player that had lower chance of making the ball.

No. You still don't get it, do you?

Shane had the choice of taking the shot himself, or passing it back to Mike. He had no option to pass it to DO.

The shot and the remaining table was tough enough that Shane didn't like his chances, and decided that rather than taking the shot himself and maybe selling out to DO, he'd let Mike take it and maybe sell out to him. And even if Mike was to get out from there, DO would be out and Shane is one of the two finalists.

No brainer.

 

[jay helfert]

Hi Jay...I was just wondering if you would explain a little more in depth how these rules are going to work?

I don't disagree at all that in a ring games current rule system it is pretty easy to chop someone up, but I would think that by passing to the next player it really wouldn't change anything.

Aren't you then just screwing the next guy if you force him to shoot a shot that you're hooked on? You would effectively be giving the original shooter another chance with only three guys (unless of course the guy you passed to lucks a ball in or something.) Plus I would think the guy you pass to would be rather unhappy because he's missing out on possibly getting an easier shot if the passer had shot and missed or something.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks!

The "turn" would pass forward. If the next player declined the shot, then the player after him would have the option. It would continue right back to the original shooter and he would have to shoot again. This way it would be harder to take advantage of a player two turns away.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

No. You still don't get it, do you?

Shane had the choice of taking the shot himself, or passing it back to Mike. He had no option to pass it to DO.

The shot and the remaining table was tough enough that Shane didn't like his chances, and decided that rather than taking the shot himself and maybe selling out to DO, he'd let Mike take it and maybe sell out to him. And even if Mike was to get out from there, DO would be out and Shane is one of the two finalists.

No brainer.

Again Huh!

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Everyone who is running down McMinn, Banks and Dan Tull needs to stand down until they KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!!!

Orcollo did not have $3300 left. He had $300. How do I know? I was running the scoreboard and I TYPED IT IN!!! This really has no bearing on the point at hand but goes to show that false information has been put out.

I have the whole game on video. Dan and Eveyln came over and we pulled the tape and looked at it. Both decided that when McMinn passed the shot he was within the rules. I will post the video and anyone who thinks McMinn left Banks a "straight in" shot on the 1 is nuts. Banks made a great shot to stay out of an easy scratch.

A lot of people spent a lot of time effort and money to put on something that is new and exciting for pool. The LEAST everyone involved deserves is the benefit of the doubt until all the FACTS have been brought to light.

Both of these young players, played great pool over a LONG period of time against strong competition to get to the finals. Anyone who condemns them over what a poster, who up till now was held in little regard, needs to chill the hell out.

Everything was not perfect. The first attempt at something rarely is.

A few posters have brought some sense to this thread. Wait till you get all sides of the story before you get your torches and pitch forks out.

I am still on the road and will have the website fixed and video posted by tomorrow.

Everyone loves you guys. Any off comments were usually prefaced with "assuming that..." like mine was. Glad to hear everything happened correctly

 

[jay helfert]

LOL Jay, it's more or less a cautionary tale. These 2 kids have to watch their backs from now on. And whoever is controlling the side-betting might be in big trouble if it happened to be an inside job.

Thank you for your interpretation Joe. It's all Greek to me.

 

[poolcuemaster]

You got that right

Obviously, you've not played either of these "no-namers." And apparently, you didn't watch them play over the weekend. They both deserved to be where they were based on the strength of their play -- as individuals.

And IF McMinn took a calculated risk by letting Jr. shoot again, because he didn't think he was the favorite to get out, then that's just a smart move -- happens all the time in a ring game. It doesn't mean there's some sinister "agreement."

I watched it all and it was in no way a straight in shot and I thought looking at the rack that I would have made him shoot again, it was a cut shot down the rail with a ball almost blocking the shot on the 1 so much so that I was surprised that it went by at all. order the DVD when its ready and watch closely, Dennis should have given it a try with 300 bucks left all he needed was a shot and a sixpack--Leonard

 

[poolcuemaster]

You got that right

It doubled somehow--big fingers I guess

 

[hemicudas]

Again Huh!

I have left this thread alone until now. I watched it and what, SBJ, says is exactly what happened. Clear as a bell to anyone with a three digit IQ. Shane's thought process was exactly as, SBJ, tells you it was. No one has explained it any clearer than, SBJ, and yet you come with, Again Huh????

Go out and rent an IQ.

 

[crosseyedjoe]

Thank you for your interpretation Joe. It's all Greek to me.

I happen to like that style of writing. It's has something to do with finding the proper cadence.

There is another poster than can post in hick-vernacular. That one is also precious.

I like creative writers regardless of topic.

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I think your boy DO just got really unlucky again. He was way ahead early on. Good thing you're not there, or you would have lost your Poker winnings.