Open Offer to Danny Harriman and John Schmidt from TAR

[sunnyday]

JAM,

Last night was actually first time watching the Luck and I must admit, I was bit lost when they were talking about the missing "Goat", lol!

Now thanks to you with all that story and cute goat pics, I have to go back and watch the series from beginning

S.G.

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Runout, here is a sample of one of our local guys, Jack Semple.
I bet that if you ever run into Peter and ask him if he has ever heard of Jack, that his answer will be yes. If you like it, Jack has quite a bit more on the Tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4KM_slSsUI&feature=related

 

[Celtic]

This---> Here!

Gah, now I am going to waste an hour or two listening to Buddy Holly songs on Youtube... thanks Jam.... ahh well off to start with True Love Ways.

 

[JAM]

JAM,

Last night was actually first time watching the Luck and I must admit, I was bit lost when they were talking about the missing "Goat", lol!

Now thanks to you with all that story and cute goat pics, I have to go back and watch the series from beginning

S.G.

Sunny, I'm glad you said that, because I watched it again last night, and I still don't understand why the black pygmy goat was important to those horses. And how can a female goat have big "cajones"?

If the goat had not gotten lost, would the black horse (Nick Nolte's) have won the race instead of the brown horse (Dustin Hoffman's)? I guess we'll never know since the series has been canceled. :embarrassed2:

I recorded all the episodes on OnDemand, so that when my mountaineer brother comes for a visit, he can watch them. He lives up in the California mountains and doesn't have cable.

That said, if they come out with a Bluray DVD of this series, buy it. It is so cool to watch the TV shows one right after the other, and there's always some cool trailers and other tidbits about the filming of the show that are interesting. Even though I have seen all the episodes, I am still going to purchase the Bluray when it comes out to add to my collection.

Watching "Luck" with Keith was fun. There were real horse jockeys in the background that had stand-in roles with no speaking parts, and he recognized them. Keith also was a regular at Santa Anita and would sometimes interject, "I've sat there many times, right there." LOL

I think this series was a good one to exhibit California culture, especially the horse racing scene with all the gimmicks and tricks of the trade, so to speak.

I loved Dennis Farina's role in "Luck." Keith said Dennis used to always hang out with the late Vince Edwards (Ben Casey) at the horse track, and he knew both of them, of course. :grin:

Check out Nick Nolte's arm around Kerry Condon's waist. What's going on there? They look kind of snuggy.

 

[Dan Harriman]

You are right

I realize that TAR was trying to create prematch hype. But there's also an element of high-pressure sales tactics at work here too. By announcing this match challenge on AZB, it puts more pressure on both parties, especially Danny, to participate. If Danny declines, which he did, than he gets criticized by everyone on AZB for his decision (regardless of what factors influenced his decision).

That's why I commented earlier that it would have been so much better to negotiate this match challenge quietly using back channels.

Please don't repost this message, but I wanted to say that I agree with your post, especially when it comes to the $ end. I read your earlier posts too.

 

[Wedge]

I Forgot

Please don't repost this message, but I wanted to say that I agree with your post, especially when it comes to the $ end. I read your earlier posts too.

I reposted it!!!

 

[jason]

There better be no more threads on AZ about how sad the state of pool is considering here's a pro saying that $1000 (which is a hell of alot more than a large percentage of Americans would make for 3 days of work) is an insult. I'm glad to hear the the recession in the billiards industry is gone. Everyone rejoice!!!!

$1,000 for 3 days translates to $108,225.00 annually before taxes or $86,580 tax free. With a potential to win $5,000 which translates to 5X the above figures.

The U.S. 2010 Median income was $26,364 and falling.

 

[Masirib5]

$1,000 for 3 days translates to $108,225.00 annually before taxes or $86,580 tax free. With a potential to win $5,000 which translates to 5X the above figures.

The U.S. 2010 Median income was $26,364 and falling.

No, $1,000 for 3 days translates to $1,000 only. This is a one time deal for 3 day of pool.

--Jeff

 

[jason]

No, $1,000 for 3 days translates to $1,000 only. This is a one time deal for 3 day of pool.

--Jeff

Well, maybe he can draw unemployment and welfare then huh.

I don't think too many people would turn down a gift horse of a free trip, guaranteed $1000 with a chance of $5000. Boy, I sure wish a casino would give me that offer to play in a BJ tournament! Call me a fool and I would call you from Vegas!

 

[elvicash]

Well, maybe he can draw unemployment and welfare then huh.

I don't think too many people would turn down a gift horse of a free trip, guaranteed $1000 with a chance of $5000. Boy, I sure wish a casino would give me that offer to play in a BJ tournament! Call me a fool and I would call you from Vegas!

Fool or foolish i do not know but the math is right and the logic is wrong a single gig does not a job make and Danny appears to pass on this shot. So maybe he does not want to throw his hat in the ring at this time. It is a free country good luck to you Danny and when you decide to play there will be interest in the match thanks for the offer Justin. I drove and watched the 14.1 match at qlympics a very early tar match it was great

About the money it is shot at 5k guarenteed 1k. Good money yes but not a 100k annualy as stated above. If such income was available the excitement would return to pool. For now this potential match will have to be put off till a later time. Anticipation its making me wait

 

[jason]

Fool or foolish i do not know but the math is right and the logic is wrong a single gig does not a job make and Danny appears to pass on this shot. So maybe he does not want to throw his hat in the ring at this time. It is a free country good luck to you Danny and when you decide to play there will be interest in the match thanks for the offer Justin. I drove and watched the 14.1 match at qlympics a very early tar match it was great

About the money it is shot at 5k guarenteed 1k. Good money yes but not a 100k annualy as stated above. If such income was available the excitement would return to pool. For now this potential match will have to be put off till a later time. Anticipation its making me wait

...pro saying that $1000 (which is a hell of alot more than a large percentage of Americans would make for 3 days of work) is an insult. -- Big Nasty

I was making an illustration of Big Nasty's comment to show how much money that is compared to the average American. Don't get to literal on the numbers.

Danny has every right to not play and even the right to ask for $3,500. JC has every right to with draw his offer and never put the offer out there again. It doesn't take a genius to know that it is a lot easier to burn a bridge than to build one. In this case, $6,000+ is now on the other side of the river.

 

[Island Drive]

Please don't repost this message, but I wanted to say that I agree with your post, especially when it comes to the $ end. I read your earlier posts too.

Dan, kinda feels like the hype' the world of boxing does to viewers before the fight.
We "know" that works.

 

[Mr Hoppe]

No, $1,000 for 3 days translates to $1,000 only. This is a one time deal for 3 day of pool.

--Jeff

The first time TAR worked with Danny and John it was a one time deal as well. Now they are coming back for the third time. One opportunity can lead to several others, and when you decide to close the door, the chain has ended...

I hope Danny changes his mind as I would like to see the tie breaker in this classic battle.

 

[justnum]

Beggars can't be choosers.

 

["CaliRed".]

Let's get this thread back on track:smile:

Here's Danny with his run of 199 in competition at last years 14.1 Hi-Run event held at CSI's 35th annual BCAPL National Championships in Vegas last year. Check out the end of his run for a legitimate bad beat in pool.:smile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0tIHsaveL4

and the corresponding thread regarding it

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3525549&postcount=1

Mr. John S... I'll get some of you up there too from that event.

 

[jason]

Let's get this thread back on track:smile:

Here's Danny with his run of 199 in competition at last years 14.1 Hi-Run event held at CSI's 35th annual BCAPL National Championships in Vegas last year. Check out the end of his run for a legitimate bad beat in pool.:smile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0tIHsaveL4

and the corresponding thread regarding it

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3525549&postcount=1

Mr. John S... I'll get some of you up there too from that event.

No doubt Danny has a great game and that was an unfortunate scratch. The great thing about 14.1 is the pressure that builds on every run and the disappointment and almost disbelief when the run ends. It is very humbling for every player of all talents.

 

[Black-Balled]

Well, maybe he can draw unemployment and welfare then huh.

I don't think too many people would turn down a gift horse of a free trip, guaranteed $1000 with a chance of $5000. Boy, I sure wish a casino would give me that offer to play in a BJ tournament! Call me a fool and I would call you from Vegas!

They have BJ tournaments? Fuuuuk, I want in.

Wait a minute. Tell me the rules first.

 

[sfleinen]

They have BJ tournaments? Fuuuuk, I want in.

Wait a minute. Tell me the rules first.

LMAO!!

"They say, 'look before you jump'?"

 

[jason]

They have BJ tournaments? Fuuuuk, I want in.

Wait a minute. Tell me the rules first.

Yep, BJ tournaments...even the losers win! :thumbup:

...unless it is held in a gay bar.:yikes:

 

[Poolplaya9]

No, $1,000 for 3 days translates to $1,000 only. This is a one time deal for 3 day of pool.

...the math is right and the logic is wrong a single gig does not a job make...

About the money it is shot at 5k guarenteed 1k. Good money yes but not a 100k annualy as stated above.

What you guys are missing is that professional pool players are self employed just like any other self employed person, like say a plumber. If a self employed plumber gets to a $100,000 salary, he does so in bits and pieces here and there. Maybe $600 for this job, $250 for that job, $3000 for another job, and just his $80 minimum service charge on another job when he gets there and finds there isn't a problem after all, etc, and of course you subtract expenses. All these earnings add up, and the only way he will ever reach $100,000, or maximize his full income potential whatever it is, is to accept jobs, not turn them down.

A professional pool player makes his income the same way. He gets $400 gambling over here, $1800 for winning a regional event over there, $160 for robbing the weekly local tournament over here, $4000 for taking third in a pro tournament over there, etc, and of course you subtract expenses, and the earnings all add up.

The TAR offer was akin to offering a minimum service call of $1000 to the plumber, plus you were covering all his expenses, plus your plumbing problem may cost up to $5000 to fix, and he will get to find out after he gets there and sees what is wrong, but either way he gets his minimum $1000 service call and all expenses paid.

So while $1000-5000 isn't $100,000 all by itself, there just are no $100,000 jobs to be had and a self employed person isn't ever going to get to $100,000 or any other decent income when he keeps turning down those smaller good money making jobs (like say those $1000 jobs with a chance to earn $5000 on it, particularly when that will be all profit and there are zero expenses to deduct).

A self employed person only increases his annual income by accepting jobs, not by turning them down. Of course he will never get to that $100,000 by turning down good free money.