Open Offer to Danny Harriman and John Schmidt from TAR

I don't even play straight pool

JCIN said:
I called Corey with a similar offer for a match about three weeks ago. He said he had to talk some people and get back with me. Still waiting.

Can you believe we are trying to give $5-$6K away and players dont seem to be interested?
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But I will come play anyone you want for that free roll. The whole pool world is goin nuts JC. There is no money in pool. Hear it all the time for years. You guys offer a free shot, where they don't gotta beat 6 or 7 Champions to break even, and they say no? I guess there is just too much action in the world right now, or something. Maybe the stars ain't aligned right. It's a great offer and you guys are doin great things for pool.
 
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You can't paint stripes on a horse & call it a zebra !
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No but, you can paint a white stripe on a black cat and Pepe Le Pew will want to screw it.

Probably watched too much Bugs Bunny at one time.

Anyhow, Who is Danny Harriman anyway. That will be a new members
post on AZ somewhere around 10 years from now. As Danny's pool career sinks into oblivion.

Jeez, I'd fly out at my own expense and be Rack Boy for this one.
 
Danny : "You know I've always been fascinated with the law sir"

Judge Smails : "Oh really?, what areas?"

Danny : "Oh, all areas. Personal privacy, noise statutes, you know I planned to go to law school after I graduated, but, uhh, looks like my folks won't have enough money to put me through college"

Judge Smails : "Well, the world needs ditch diggers too"
 
PS - There has to be a Tee Shirt in this somewhere with the word "Strifle" on it.

Danny Harriman.
Strifler Extraordinaire!
 
Justin

not to change subjects, but another match that has been highly talked about is jesse bowman/ and corey bartable 9 ball. don't know if both are up for it. just a suggestion. anyways thanks for trying, keep it up, we appreciate your efforts
 
JCIN said:
I honestly have a lot of hesitation after his response
... I think it would be foolish at this point

... please convince me I am wrong.
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You are not wrong at all. You made a generous offer and it was not accepted.

As much as I'd love to see the show, Fukit. You extended the hand and he crossed his arms.

Next.
 
JAM said:
He likes bread and butter. He likes toast and ---> JAM :thumbup:
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Does anybody think this guy in the above-referenced link looks like C.J. Wiley, depicted on the left? :p
 

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JAM said:
I understand your sentiments, but sometimes there are happenings behind the scenes that may prevent somebody from committing to a date certain as well as things that may not be compatible or conducive to competing in this arrangement. I am *not* saying it is a bad arrangement; rather, I am saying everybody has their own reasons, some of which may be personal and not available for public consumption. ;)

I don't know Danny Harriman well, but I don't think he's a turd just because he does not want to partake in this venture. To call him names and ridicule him for his decision, I hope, is not the status quo. :frown:

One never knows how others form their decision-making process, some of which may be personal and some of which the party(s) may not want to discuss on this open forum. :smile:
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I appreciate that you stand up for pool players, but my comment does not hinge only on this instance. Please feel free to pull up Danny's post history here. If he were not a pro player he would have been ostracized long ago. He also chose to demand more money in order to play. Most of the time a player and backer would be going to either win or lose, no guaranteed income as Justin has offered.

Name calling was somewhat childish, but Danny's past behavior gives me no reason to apologize. I have no problem with the guy personally but he has some issues.
 
JAM said:
I understand your sentiments, but sometimes there are happenings behind the scenes that may prevent somebody from committing to a date certain as well as things that may not be compatible or conducive to competing in this arrangement. I am *not* saying it is a bad arrangement; rather, I am saying everybody has their own reasons, some of which may be personal and not available for public consumption. ;)

I don't know Danny Harriman well, but I don't think he's a turd just because he does not want to partake in this venture. To call him names and ridicule him for his decision, I hope, is not the status quo. :frown:

One never knows how others form their decision-making process, some of which may be personal and some of which the party(s) may not want to discuss on this open forum. :smile:
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JAM

I'm not saying he's a turd, but it does seem to me that Danny let his reasons be known in his email to Justin and he let Justin be a part of his thinking process. To me, it looks as though Danny is saying he won't play in order to get Justin back because Danny is harboring a grudge over some slight he feels he suffered at Justin's hands. It also seems to me that
Danny had to make quite a stretch in order to take some past event personally, but right or wrong way to think that's what works for Danny.

Are you saying that reading his stated reasons you can't believe that the reasons he stated are the real reasons and that he isn't making us privy to his real thoughts?

If he thinks the way his eMail indicates, he must be a very unhappy person, as it really does seem he stretched like crazy to take something personally and feel hurt by an action that had little to do with him and certainly wasn't directed at him.

If the reasons he stated were false (not his real reasons), isn't that a childish and disrespectful way to act towards one of the few entities that is trying to promote the game Danny plays for a living?

Thanks

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
JAM

I'm not saying he's a turd, but it does seem to me that Danny let his reasons be known in his email to Justin and he let Justin be a part of his thinking process. To me, it looks as though Danny is saying he won't play in order to get Justin back because Danny is harboring a grudge over some slight he feels he suffered at Justin's hands. It also seems to me that
Danny had to make quite a stretch in order to take some past event personally, but right or wrong way to think that's what works for Danny.

Are you saying that reading his stated reasons you can't believe that the reasons he stated are the real reasons and that he isn't making us privy to his real thoughts?

If he thinks the way his eMail indicates, he must be a very unhappy person, as it really does seem he stretched like crazy to take something personally and feel hurt by an action that had little to do with him and certainly wasn't directed at him.

If the reasons he stated were false (not his real reasons), isn't that a childish and disrespectful way to act towards one of the few entities that is trying to promote the game Danny plays for a living?

Thanks

Kevin
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I wonder why Danny did not post his private e-mail to JCIN on this thread.

I believe there is more to this than what most may understand, but it's Danny's business.
 
iba7467 said:
I appreciate that you stand up for pool players, but my comment does not hinge only on this instance. Please feel free to pull up Danny's post history here. If he were not a pro player he would have been ostracized long ago. He also chose to demand more money in order to play. Most of the time a player and backer would be going to either win or lose, no guaranteed income as Justin has offered.

Name calling was somewhat childish, but Danny's past behavior gives me no reason to apologize. I have no problem with the guy personally but he has some issues.
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I could say the same about a few members of this forum, but there comes a time when one must let go of negative feelings. In the end, the only person it hurts is the one feeling the negativity, not the person who is dishing out the negativity.

Until you walk in Danny's shoes, I kind of think it's not fair to pass judgment. I respect him for doing what he believes is best for him. Though it may not be what we as the collective forum members think is best for pool, it is solely Danny's decision, and as such, I believe we respect that.

Read Mark Griffin's post again. That's how you do business. You don't see him calling Danny names.
 
Danny just doesnt want to show up for the minimum payday, he wants to win and come prepared to do so. Showing up unprepared and that being showcased worldwide via the TAR stream is also unprofessional and could damage reputation and future prospects. He has already stated that he would need to relocate to get prepared and it was misunderstood and scoffed at by some folks on this thread.

I think that while Danny may not be the greatest communicator, we should let this action try to develop and not be so easily offended by Danny. Props to JCIN and Mark Griffin for trying to get something started here and Rivercitysledge as well for trying to keep the action alive.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
No but, you can paint a white stripe on a black cat and Pepe Le Pew will want to screw it.

Probably watched too much Bugs Bunny at one time.

Anyhow, Who is Danny Harriman anyway. That will be a new members
post on AZ somewhere around 10 years from now. As Danny's pool career sinks into oblivion.

Jeez, I'd fly out at my own expense and be Rack Boy for this one.
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maybe we need to paint some stripes on Danny & call in Pepe :D
 
JAM said:
I wonder why Danny did not post his private e-mail to JCIN on this thread.

I believe there is more to this than what most may understand, but it's Danny's business.
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Well if his eMail to one of the few promoters in our sport declining his invitation was dishonest about his real reasons, well, OK, I'll try to take the high road and not type a bunch of judgement about that.

You yourself have posted plenty from the players' perspective regarding the inequity of the whole gambling wit a backer scenario, and it looked to me thatJustin came up with a fabulous opportunity for 2 players to match up, enhance interest in the sport, at zero risk to the players, with TAR absorbing all the financial risk. Seems to me, that the players invited might have tried to look past whatever problems they had with the format or the past and seen this invitation as some type of hope they could latch on to, but maybe that's just me.

Kevin
 
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kvinbrwr said:
Well if his eMail to one of the few promoters in our sport declining his invitation was dishonest about his real reasons, well, OK, I'll try to take the high road and not type a bunch of judgement about that.

You yourself have posted plenty from the players' perspective regarding the inequity of the whole gambling wit a backer scenario, and it looked to me thatJustin came up with a fabulous opportunity for 2 players to match up, enhance interest in the sport, at zero risk to the players, with TAR absorbing all the financial risk. Seems to me, that the players invited might have tried to look past whatever problems they had with the format or the past and seen this invitation as some type of hope they could latch on to, but maybe that's just me.

Kevin
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Well said KB. Justin is taking a big risk by doing match-ups this way. I know Justin was worried about doing a challenge match with no money put up by the players/backers because of how it may be recieved (as he stated on the TAR podcast).

He is taking a chance to see what kind of audience he can get. If something like this is viable for TAR, it opens the door to doing many more matches. As long as people buy the PPV's in this format, TAR wouldn't have to find backers anymore; they could simply invite the players to play. That would make any player an option because you don't have to worry about the backers, not to mention that TAR would have much more saying power in the process.

I think this is a great direction to go, as it allows more matches to be made. I hope that everyone involves takes a step back and reconsiders. I like Schmitty's idea of putting up a refundable $2K in show money.

This is good for all involved and I hope everyone sees that. If this format works, the fans will see more and more match-ups, the players will be making money, and TAR will get more say and a potential of continual revenue.
 
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