Open Offer to Danny Harriman and John Schmidt from TAR
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I agree with Donny. If the good Lord wanted us to have wings, he'd have given them to us. No flying for me, either.
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Hmm, maybe President Obama should appoint you to be the U.S. ambassador to Iran or North Korea? You can then apply your skills in putting matches together toward negotiating a resolution to the talks on nuclear disarmament.
Just as on the national and international stage, it's often better to do things "quietly" through diplomatic channels than try to resolve the issues through the press or in this case, on a discussion forum.
Since your approach apparently didn't work, maybe now you can tell us why you decided to issue your challenge to JS and DH on a discussion forum?
God I wish I was as smart as people on the internet.
Ah, I see now. Thanks for the recap! :smile:
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Hmm, maybe President Obama should appoint you to be the U.S. ambassador to Iran or North Korea? You can then apply your skills in putting matches together toward negotiating a resolution to the talks on nuclear disarmament.
Just as on the national and international stage, it's often better to do things "quietly" through diplomatic channels than try to resolve the issues through the press or in this case, on a discussion forum.
Since your approach apparently didn't work, maybe now you can tell us why you decided to issue your challenge to JS and DH on a discussion forum?
Ever heard of prematch hype? This is free advertising, leading to more sales. Makes sense to me.
TAR ain't stupid.
Probably so. LOL! :grin:
The other day, I asked him if he could turn the outside water on. The knob was in the ceiling of my basement. He went to reach up and grab one of the plumbing pipes to hoist him up. Luckily, I stopped him, or else we would have had a plumbing disaster.
Unfortunately, both of us are mechanically handicapped! :embarrassed2:
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watchez,
Good post (except for that John will play as mentioned again later by him). But this is were you lost me. $1,000 guarantee for a 3 day match that may happen once a year is still $333/day or a $1,000/yr. Certainly not worth over $100,000/yr to them.
PoolSharkAllen,
Justin is the American Idol of action matches :thumbup:. I certainly do not want to speak for Justin, but since this was born from AZBers asking for this match publicly a while back, I think it's smart for Justin to let folks know that he is willing to invest in guaranteed money to make it happen to generate the interest again up front. It appears TAR would have 50+ PPV viewers just from this thread alone, I being one.
Hope to see you again soon in Ft Collins.
Well said, John.
What I find interesting is that Danny seems to have already conceded defeat in this match - TAR is offering a very generous $6,000 ($5k to winner) plus all expenses paid - all he talks about is the $1,000 guaranteed to the loser. What about all expenses paid + $5,000? Doesn't that sound better and worth the effort to get in stroke?
I get that Danny wants to get in stroke for the match and feels he must relocate to practice on a Diamond to put out his best effort, but when he was younger, he was a feared road man w/a very high rate of success and he hadn't even reached his peak. Playing in all different conditions.
Danny could play back then, and still can play now (maybe better when right) make no mistake about that. And can hold his own w/John in straight pool as seen on TAR when he had 3-100 ball runs in one game. The rest of the match has always been close. I just don't get the negativity on Danny's part only looking at the $1,000.
The fact that these two are pretty evenly matched coupled w/their history of "interesting" conversation in person and on AZB makes this a really great spectator match. It may even allow TAR to break even with all the hype! :thumbup:
John, it's great you agreed to play even with the history of you two. I hope it happens, but I understand Justin's concerns about Danny's commitment even if he agrees. I like the idea of putting up a no show fee to protect TAR at this point. Sorry you felt the need to sell your room, it really sounded great. But it must be nice to be back in CA.
OK, I'm done now. Isn't it fun waking in the middle of the night w/nothing to do?
Dave
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Ya know
This thread may be long, and you may not like what it's about, but you keep posting here? What's up with that?..... There are lots of other post's on AZ, where you can spend your time. You know what the whole thread is about, and you should know by now, that the match ain't gonna happen. Justin has been up near the top of the list, of people doing good things for pool for a while now. Personally, I think he has a right to offer a challenge match any way he wants to, since they are putting up the dough. I will bet, if you knew the inside story, there was quite a bit of behind the scenes stuff going on, trying to get this match together. Regardless, any thread generating this much interest in a match, without anyone actually getting brutalized, is a good thing. That's my opinion on this thread.
This thread may be long, and you may not like what it's about, but you keep posting here? What's up with that?..... There are lots of other post's on AZ, where you can spend your time. You know what the whole thread is about, and you should know by now, that the match ain't gonna happen. Justin has been up near the top of the list, of people doing good things for pool for a while now. Personally, I think he has a right to offer a challenge match any way he wants to, since they are putting up the dough. I will bet, if you knew the inside story, there was quite a bit of behind the scenes stuff going on, trying to get this match together. Regardless, any thread generating this much interest in a match, without anyone actually getting brutalized, is a good thing. That's my opinion on this thread.
Wow! This thread is close to 400 postings...about a match that won't even occur.
i'd like to suggest that instead of issuing a match challenge here on the forums, that Justin try quietly using back channels instead.
I will play the devil's advocate and argue the point from Mr. Danny's point of view...
If he has to take time off work, pay table time to practice, and apparently hotel room costs to locate himself close to a table (probably cheaper than driving to one given the cost of gas these days), you have to factor in the salary he would be losing in order to get prepared, which would more than likely be more than the 1000 he would get if by chance he did happen to lose, and it reminds me of something my boss says quite often...
If it doesn't make dollars, then it doesn't make sense...
If he has to take time off work, pay table time to practice, and apparently hotel room costs to locate himself close to a table (probably cheaper than driving to one given the cost of gas these days), you have to factor in the salary he would be losing in order to get prepared, which would more than likely be more than the 1000 he would get if by chance he did happen to lose, and it reminds me of something my boss says quite often...
If it doesn't make dollars, then it doesn't make sense...
Sshhhhh! Don't tell that to the promotors, hustlers and rail birds here on AZB.
......Thanks......!!!!!
I was simply trying to show how generous of an offer TAR made compared to other sponsorships that are available to a pool player.
Your explanation is illustrative of how complex the decision-making process is that occurs for some pro players to attend various events -- in-country and/or around the world. There is more to it than just what the tournament payouts are.
In this regard, this thread is helpful to provide an understanding of what goes into a pool happening, looking at it from both sides of the fence.
Time waits for no man.
Danny,
Concerning the $2,000 offer Justin made to John Schmidt, it is possible that Justin wanted to get one of you to agree to play before trying to get both of you to agree to play. If John had agreed to play, I have to think that Justin would have HAD TO OFFER YOU THE SAME DEAL. Sometimes, things that people say or do are taken out of context and maybe, just maybe, Justin was trying to get John to the table first.
While you may think Justin was making you play second fiddle, (and that may be true) the fact remains that if Justin made an offer of $2,000 to John, it only stands to reason that he would have to make you the same offer, BUT ONLY IF John agreed to play.
It might have sounded one-sided but it may only be that Justin never got past first base.
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NOW, John has already agreed to play this match with you.
In summary: You and John have the BEST RIVALRY in pool going for you right now (and that could change). You and John are two of the most talented pool players on the planet (right now). The world wants you two to play this match. In my heart of hearts, I believe that you want to play this match. It will give you a chance to prove the naysayers wrong and make $5,000 in the process.
Put this conspiracy theory money business behind you. Eliminate the inclination to stick the needle in John or Justin whether they deserve it or not. It's counter-productive, PERIOD. The same can be said for Justin and John.
Tell Justin how much time it will take for you to prepare (do this PRIVATELY) and see if he has a slot for the match to take place.
Best regards,
JoeyA
Danny,
Concerning the $2,000 offer Justin made to John Schmidt, it is possible that Justin wanted to get one of you to agree to play before trying to get both of you to agree to play. If John had agreed to play, I have to think that Justin would have HAD TO OFFER YOU THE SAME DEAL. Sometimes, things that people say or do are taken out of context and maybe, just maybe, Justin was trying to get John to the table first.
While you may think Justin was making you play second fiddle, (and that may be true) the fact remains that if Justin made an offer of $2,000 to John, it only stands to reason that he would have to make you the same offer, BUT ONLY IF John agreed to play.
It might have sounded one-sided but it may only be that Justin never got past first base.
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NOW, John has already agreed to play this match with you.
In summary: You and John have the BEST RIVALRY in pool going for you right now (and that could change). You and John are two of the most talented pool players on the planet (right now). The world wants you two to play this match. In my heart of hearts, I believe that you want to play this match. It will give you a chance to prove the naysayers wrong and make $5,000 in the process.
Put this conspiracy theory money business behind you. Eliminate the inclination to stick the needle in John or Justin whether they deserve it or not. It's counter-productive, PERIOD. The same can be said for Justin and John.
Tell Justin how much time it will take for you to prepare (do this PRIVATELY) and see if he has a slot for the match to take place.
Best regards,
JoeyA
I had hopes that all this was hype, but I don't think it is.
TAR has sat, shit, flushed and wiped. Danny is off the (TAR) table, literally.
Gonna taake a hulluva change from the original proposal to get Danny back in the running...and if it were I running the show, Danny would not get a penny until he returned home and the event has concluded.
He's far too risky.
TAR has sat, shit, flushed and wiped. Danny is off the (TAR) table, literally.
Gonna taake a hulluva change from the original proposal to get Danny back in the running...and if it were I running the show, Danny would not get a penny until he returned home and the event has concluded.
He's far too risky.
I don't agree. Danny can be controversial (like some other professionals) but I believe that Danny is a man of his word. I could be wrong but I don't think I am. If Danny commits, I feel certain he will be there.
I agree on this, I do not think Justin was going to do that to Danny. Danny, get in the box and play, its a good chance to win some cash. :thumbup: