"race to 5 is a JOKE!" by Allison Fisher
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My Comments
I think it should be minimum:
1) Early - Race to 7, or 2 out of 3 sets race to 5.
2) QFinals - Race to 9, or 3 out of 5 sets to 5.
3) SFinals and Finals - Race to 11, or 4 out of 7 sets race to 5.
Could use the short version where time is important ingredient, and set races where the competition more important than the time.
I think it should be minimum:
1) Early - Race to 7, or 2 out of 3 sets race to 5.
2) QFinals - Race to 9, or 3 out of 5 sets to 5.
3) SFinals and Finals - Race to 11, or 4 out of 7 sets race to 5.
Could use the short version where time is important ingredient, and set races where the competition more important than the time.
Time for the young guns. Allison is now getting some competition that is younger and will soon be like Earl. Ironic that they both have/had the same sponsor.
With her skill she should be able to break and run out 5 in a row. With alternate break she needs to win the lag. I think Wille said that about a opponent. Willie won the lag and ran out 150. After the match he said his opponent needs to work on his lag.
If you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch.
With her skill she should be able to break and run out 5 in a row. With alternate break she needs to win the lag. I think Wille said that about a opponent. Willie won the lag and ran out 150. After the match he said his opponent needs to work on his lag.
If you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch.
short races . . . .
Short races are obviously pure luck.
According to the commentator's claims Allison's match winning record is 90% or better, career in the WPBA. I have to say she is one lucky lady.
Hu
Short races are obviously pure luck.
According to the commentator's claims Allison's match winning record is 90% or better, career in the WPBA. I have to say she is one lucky lady.
Hu
I know I've said it before, but I still don't know why pool doesn't take a page out of tennis' book and play race to 6 or 7 best 2 out of 3 sets (3 out of 5 in majors) and have it be single elimination.
race to 5
No matter what the race for a game if you are a good player then you will play that format...not all good player should win. If good player always win the game will be boring is like when Chicago Bulls won 3 years in a row people are sick of watching the game anymore no more thrills. That's why i hate playing in a tournament that have handicap because pro's are cry baby..."that's why they called it handicap tournament" ...you can't win all!!!
No matter what the race for a game if you are a good player then you will play that format...not all good player should win. If good player always win the game will be boring is like when Chicago Bulls won 3 years in a row people are sick of watching the game anymore no more thrills. That's why i hate playing in a tournament that have handicap because pro's are cry baby..."that's why they called it handicap tournament" ...you can't win all!!!
race to 5 is way too short
For the most part, I'm inclined to agree. The race-to-5 format was published in advance so if Allison thinks that this format puts her at too much of a disadvantage, then she has the right to decide not to participate.jsp said:
Well the race to 5 format is definitely for TV purposes and I think the alternate break actually favors Allison, especially against someone like Jasmin that has a great break. But, realistically, how often are you gonna see a player break and run 5 racks if its winner breaks? More times in the mens tournies than the ladies. I have watched Jasmin play since she was 16 and she is gonna be the #1 ladies player in a few years. Maybe Allison sees this too and is a little troubled by it.
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Southpaw
Wow, it seems like a lot of people are hating on Allison for her complaint. This is Allison Fischer, not Earl Strickland complaining. She's not called the Dutchess because she's a cry baby!
What's wrong with complaining when you think something is wrong? She's someone with a good deal of clout in the industry, she can probably help get this thing changed. But not if she keeps her mouth shut. I see nothing wrong with saying "Ideally, this is not how things should be done" but still accepting them for the time being. So if you ask me, she's doing nothing wrong by complaining and playing.
Oh, and 5 games is a joke. I understand that it is a round robin format. However, if the round robin results are used for seeding 5 games is definitely a joke. What's the point of seeding based on a coin toss?
What's wrong with complaining when you think something is wrong? She's someone with a good deal of clout in the industry, she can probably help get this thing changed. But not if she keeps her mouth shut. I see nothing wrong with saying "Ideally, this is not how things should be done" but still accepting them for the time being. So if you ask me, she's doing nothing wrong by complaining and playing.
Oh, and 5 games is a joke. I understand that it is a round robin format. However, if the round robin results are used for seeding 5 games is definitely a joke. What's the point of seeding based on a coin toss?
Has anyone noticed that earlier today there was an article about this with Allison's picture on the AZB main page. Apparently its been yanked as its seemed to of disappeared...somebody has some weight.
alternating breaks is a joke in 9 ball no matter what the circumstances.
a race to 5 is a joke unless its action and your playing alot of sets.
all the TV rules seem to suck and I'd be willing to bet they are the brainchild of someone who cant play pool, i didnt readd this thread it would just piss me off. just my thoughts
a race to 5 is a joke unless its action and your playing alot of sets.
all the TV rules seem to suck and I'd be willing to bet they are the brainchild of someone who cant play pool, i didnt readd this thread it would just piss me off. just my thoughts
Time for somebody to dissent.
A race to five with alternate break IS PLENTY LONG ENOUGH in a round robin, in both men's and women's pool. There's little evidence that this format has stopped the cream from rising to the top at the men's or women's world championships.
Allison Fisher, the very best women's nine ball player of all time, simply played way below her usual speed. At this event, she won 17 racks of the 40 she played, so she wasn't done in by the format, just by playing below her usual speed.
In contrast, I recall that Allison beat Jeanette 5 -1 on the first set of the 2004 Women's challenge of Champions and then lost 5 - 4. After losing the tiebreaker, Allison was quite correct in noting that "the format got her." After all, on that occasion, she won nine racks to Jeanette's seven yet lost the final.
Has this format really randomized anything? Flash back a couple a weeks to WPBA Michigan City. Three of the top four finishers were Xiaoting Pan, Ga Young Kim and Kelly Fisher, all of them now among the last eight at the world championships, along with five other exceptional players. Yes, the players that came in strong are still playing well.
Of course, I feel sad for Allison, who is a great champion, a great lady, and a wonderful personality and influence in our sport. She's still the standard in women's pool, and her very presence at the World Championships is great for our sport. Still, the influx of some great young talent into women's pool will make it harder to defend her #1 WPBA ranking, but what's wrong with that?
This "silly format" brought us a final of Alcano vs Souquet a few months ago, and, I feel quite certain it will bring us a similar clash of titans tomorrow in the women's world championship. When one of the last eight ladies hoists the trophy tomorrow night, she will have done so on merit, not because of a format that hindered some of her worthiest adversaries.
A race to five with alternate break IS PLENTY LONG ENOUGH in a round robin, in both men's and women's pool. There's little evidence that this format has stopped the cream from rising to the top at the men's or women's world championships.
Allison Fisher, the very best women's nine ball player of all time, simply played way below her usual speed. At this event, she won 17 racks of the 40 she played, so she wasn't done in by the format, just by playing below her usual speed.
In contrast, I recall that Allison beat Jeanette 5 -1 on the first set of the 2004 Women's challenge of Champions and then lost 5 - 4. After losing the tiebreaker, Allison was quite correct in noting that "the format got her." After all, on that occasion, she won nine racks to Jeanette's seven yet lost the final.
Has this format really randomized anything? Flash back a couple a weeks to WPBA Michigan City. Three of the top four finishers were Xiaoting Pan, Ga Young Kim and Kelly Fisher, all of them now among the last eight at the world championships, along with five other exceptional players. Yes, the players that came in strong are still playing well.
Of course, I feel sad for Allison, who is a great champion, a great lady, and a wonderful personality and influence in our sport. She's still the standard in women's pool, and her very presence at the World Championships is great for our sport. Still, the influx of some great young talent into women's pool will make it harder to defend her #1 WPBA ranking, but what's wrong with that?
This "silly format" brought us a final of Alcano vs Souquet a few months ago, and, I feel quite certain it will bring us a similar clash of titans tomorrow in the women's world championship. When one of the last eight ladies hoists the trophy tomorrow night, she will have done so on merit, not because of a format that hindered some of her worthiest adversaries.
sjm said:
sjm,
Just a polite note of dissent to your note of dissent.
There are an awful lot of good players in these tournaments. I can think of at least 10 in the women's event, and probably 20 in any men's event that are very deserving and capable of making a finals. I think you could pick several other matchups out of the field that would support your argument.
I have to think that there is a good chance that this format may be just identifying the luckiest player out of the top 10 or 20 during the week in question. I hope everyone can agree that some racks of 9-ball are easier than others, and that some break results are luckier than others. If Allison thinks it is silly, I'm going to have to agree (though I would extend it to the game of 9-ball itself; fun to watch, but too subject to the vagaries of chance for a "championship game").
Gerry said:
this is the most beautiful statement ive read in a while, granted i havent been around, but still really nice.
yeah, people that constantly win and then complain the moment things arent going their way are hideous and damage the sport. look at all the tour has done for her, and to complain?? as pool players, we really do need to learn how to conduct ourselves better in general.