They need a section for just raffles ..........
Raffles in sperate section
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Very much agreed. A lot of people seem to agree with you too. Gets in the way of looking for something to buy. I think if they have a section to show off cues that are not for sale (the gallery) then a section for raffles is justified.
The only problem is that if AZB has a specific section for raffles, then they are obviously supporting and allowing the raffles to happen. There may be some legal issues with this. For that reason, I don't think it will ever happen. Unfortunately we may have to keep dealing with the annoyance.
The only problem is that if AZB has a specific section for raffles, then they are obviously supporting and allowing the raffles to happen. There may be some legal issues with this. For that reason, I don't think it will ever happen. Unfortunately we may have to keep dealing with the annoyance.
A raffel is just another way to sell a cue.. I think they are in the right section. I'm sure nobody will agree with me. and it's not like there is a whole page full. There are maybe 5 up at a time..
But who am I? I'm nobody.. So I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Just my worthless opinion as usual..
But who am I? I'm nobody.. So I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Just my worthless opinion as usual..
Please
Let the Raffles have their own section.
Their taking up to much space in the For Sale Section.
If I want to buy a cue I don't want to sort through all the Raffle Adds.
Their getting to be like Pop Ups.
Has anybody written about being a winner ??
Tommyd1
Let the Raffles have their own section.Their taking up to much space in the For Sale Section.
If I want to buy a cue I don't want to sort through all the Raffle Adds.
Their getting to be like Pop Ups.
Has anybody written about being a winner ??
Tommyd1
There was a time when you had perhaps 10 items all posted in seperate threads and bumping them all at once instead of just having one thread,should we have had a section for all of your items?brianna187 said:
Nine Ball said:A raffel is just another way to sell a cue.. I think they are in the right section. I'm sure nobody will agree with me. and it's not like there is a whole page full. There are maybe 5 up at a time..
But who am I? I'm nobody.. So I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.
Just my worthless opinion as usual..
Your opinion is certainly not worthless, however, things are not going to improve before they get worst. I have a strong feeling that markets like the cue market are going to crash and crash very very bad, like all items that are mainly a luxury.
I have to think that these raffles are a way of life for the foreseeable future. I doubt seriously that the Government is going to worry about cue raffles with all there is on their plate.
I think in the near future the raffles will fill a page or more
GoTulane
Shizzle-rific
Hmmmm..
Just joking - your hesitation is normal - risks are just that - RISKS! But with the use of a powerball/lottery drawing - that takes it out of the rafflers hands - and any guilt on what number was picked - because nobody is rigging the lottery for a $200-3000 cue.
So if somebody says they are selling 42 spots on a 42 number powerball - I do not believe anybody will be buying #43 - and if they do - well, then there is no gamble involved - YOU LOST!!! Many ways to show this kind of raffle being honest -Naming the lottery to be used, how many spots will be sold, and how the numbers will work, collecting the money ONLY when everybody has chosen their number by public posting on the thread. The raffler MUST also keep a list of numbers and the people associated with what # on the thread - just keeps it honest. And announcing the lottery pull date, when everybody has paid, at least 24hrs in advance.
Could somebody rig it, well YES!! But that is where you have to trust the integrity of the raffler - just like we do when we trade and buy cues with somebody on the internet we have never met. Life is a gamble, otherwise we would all be bubble boys, afraid of everything out in the world that could hurt us. I do not recommend hat pulls, but then - to each his own.
Raffles are good, and I can't wait to get my new Southwest
for under $100. Great way to push the market, and give us poor people a chance to hop the fence and use the rich man's pool!!! Some of us here could never outright purchase some of these raffled cues, but have a few extra dollars to take the gamble of a lifetime - or it is now becoming the Gamble of the week here on AZB.
I am all for them, but I will always consider what I have written above before putting up my hard earned cash, and entering one.
I say RAFFLE ON!!! JOIN THE RAFFLE ARMY!!!!
JMHO- Michael
SKEPTIC!!!!!Klopek said:
Just joking - your hesitation is normal - risks are just that - RISKS! But with the use of a powerball/lottery drawing - that takes it out of the rafflers hands - and any guilt on what number was picked - because nobody is rigging the lottery for a $200-3000 cue.
So if somebody says they are selling 42 spots on a 42 number powerball - I do not believe anybody will be buying #43 - and if they do - well, then there is no gamble involved - YOU LOST!!! Many ways to show this kind of raffle being honest -Naming the lottery to be used, how many spots will be sold, and how the numbers will work, collecting the money ONLY when everybody has chosen their number by public posting on the thread. The raffler MUST also keep a list of numbers and the people associated with what # on the thread - just keeps it honest. And announcing the lottery pull date, when everybody has paid, at least 24hrs in advance.
Could somebody rig it, well YES!! But that is where you have to trust the integrity of the raffler - just like we do when we trade and buy cues with somebody on the internet we have never met. Life is a gamble, otherwise we would all be bubble boys, afraid of everything out in the world that could hurt us. I do not recommend hat pulls, but then - to each his own.
Raffles are good, and I can't wait to get my new Southwest
for under $100. Great way to push the market, and give us poor people a chance to hop the fence and use the rich man's pool!!! Some of us here could never outright purchase some of these raffled cues, but have a few extra dollars to take the gamble of a lifetime - or it is now becoming the Gamble of the week here on AZB.I am all for them, but I will always consider what I have written above before putting up my hard earned cash, and entering one.
I say RAFFLE ON!!! JOIN THE RAFFLE ARMY!!!!
JMHO- Michael
Thanks GO
All I am saying is whether you got something to sell or something
to raffle a good ATTITUDE goes a long way .Only a few people have
done the raffle deal . I have sold two or three cues on here and I
only have one raffle and that will probably be it for me.Times are changing
people need to work with each other and not bash what others do .Learn
from it adapt and grow stronger .THATS HOW BUSINESS WORKS
All I am saying is whether you got something to sell or something
to raffle a good ATTITUDE goes a long way .Only a few people have
done the raffle deal . I have sold two or three cues on here and I
only have one raffle and that will probably be it for me.Times are changing
people need to work with each other and not bash what others do .Learn
from it adapt and grow stronger .THATS HOW BUSINESS WORKS
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I'm still on the fence with them myself but regardless , with the practice being pretty clearly illegal , I'd be suprised if the forum openly supported the practice with the addition of a separate section.At least they can play dumb as it is.
Could be wrong tho.
Could be wrong tho.
RRfireblade said:
Kind of hard to play dumb with the number of posts just on the front page. I really wouldn't have a problem with it if it only effected the person raffling the cue. But with the way things are now, it could jeopardize not only the site owner's, but also the hosting company's livelihood
Just wondering
I'm wondering why all this concern all of a sudden for the legalities of raffles....when thousands of dollars are posted on the main forum gambling on matches openly, and using paypal to cover the gambling debts....I've never seen one post offering concerns about gambling on pool matches on the open forum....could atleast one of the anti rafflers please chime in and tell me why you haven't made any comments on this issue...FYI I have no problems with anybody taking bets, or the raffles.. it just confuses me why there is no concern if we are truely worried about the welfare of AZB.....
I'm wondering why all this concern all of a sudden for the legalities of raffles....when thousands of dollars are posted on the main forum gambling on matches openly, and using paypal to cover the gambling debts....I've never seen one post offering concerns about gambling on pool matches on the open forum....could atleast one of the anti rafflers please chime in and tell me why you haven't made any comments on this issue...FYI I have no problems with anybody taking bets, or the raffles.. it just confuses me why there is no concern if we are truely worried about the welfare of AZB.....
Club Billiards said:
Since I have been labeled a fine print con-artist, which I'm not. But I am a fine print kinda guy and spend way to much $$$ on lawyers, it would be a bad idea from a legal standpoint for AZ to have a lottery forum or raffel-n matter whats its name there are very specific laws in each state reguarding raffeles, drawings, lotterys, some deem it gambling. And by giving it its own section an argument could be made that AZ is hosting illegal activities, the fact that it has just popped up recently and will burn itself out sooner than later most likely wont put AZ on the radar or cause any legal troubles. A seperate forum is a bad idea.
it amazes me that in one post i can find 3 ways to spell a word wrong, yet have such informative posts concurently.
Seriously a few here and there wont be a problem, a seperate forum could be a serious problem, if it gets out of hand and dosent stop happening in a few months it would be wise to prohibit them, which pisses me off, if were so free why cant a few guys use clever tactics to sell cues in a difficult market??? but Our freedom is a different topic. But again in a couple months AZ should stop the raffells. I dont like the idea but I dont want to see this site catch a beef either-I been around the block to know about this one. I had a friend get popped rafelling cars off. No Cincyguy it wasnt me
but if you PM me i'll tell you who it was, you'll never guess and he has ties to this site,
snowmon34 said:
Even tho I never said I was 'Anti' I will say this much , there is a difference between people woofing it up here and there scattered throught the board . . . and the Forum itself openly hosting and supporting an illegal gambling operation.
IMO.
It's arguable right now if that's the case already.
Last thing I'd add is that just because something like getting busted for 'casual' gambling is not highly likey doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. It has before and will again to less suspecting people who were thinking precisely the same thing right before the doors got kicked in.
RRfireblade said:Even tho I never said I was 'Anti' I will say this much , there is a difference between people woofing it up here and there scattered throught the board . . . and the Forum itself openly hosting and supporting an illegal gambling operation.
IMO.
It's arguable right now if that's the case already.
Last thing I'd add is that just because something like getting busted for 'casual' gambling is not highly likey doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. It has before and will again to less suspecting people who were thinking precisely the same thing right before the doors got kicked in.
You may have misunderstood my post....I'm not talking about woofing.....I'm talking about good ole fashion betting GAMBLING...it's alive and well on these boards just look you'll find it....If all were so concerned about the well-being of AZB....why hasn't anybody ever chimed in when somebody solicits a bet, and somebody accepts on this forum....again I'm not against gambling or raffles
snowmon34 said:
My point is
that yes , it's scattered about with alot of he said she saids and off sight payoffs etc sprinkled all over here and there and not directly or clearly openly sanctioned by the Forum. But sure , it still puts the forum in some danger but in an infinately smaller percentage than what is being suggested here. Oh and , IMO.
It like you and a buddy throwing $10 on Sundays game versus putting up a gambling sign , "open for business" in your front yard.
People who are anti-raffle and using the well-being of Az as the basis of their argument are being disingenuous. They do not like it, but cannot persuasively make a case against raffles on that basis alone. The assumption that the owners, operators, or moderators of this site do not understand or realise their exposure pertaining to raffles ran here sells them short. Swift action from them to end the raffles would have been the case if there was any concern.